View Poll Results: Which should I install?
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4T40E Automatic
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Getrag F23 Manual
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04-16-2013, 05:29 PM
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636 whp
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Location: AZ
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Auto vs. Manual
My 246,000 mile transmission is on its last leg.
Do I replace it with another regular lower mileage automatic? ($125-150 + labor if I don't do it)
Do I go through the hassle/$$$ of swapping over a Getrag F23 and the new pedals, cables, shifter, axles and all the other related stuff that I don't even know about because I'm not a trans guy. If so, I'm going to need a list of EVERY part I need to source.
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04-16-2013, 05:35 PM
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i speed up for corners
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I would just get a tranny and just build it.
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04-16-2013, 05:52 PM
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real men drive stick. the getrag would hold up to your power very nicely.
plus manuals give you a little more power gain then an auto would.
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04-16-2013, 06:00 PM
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really it depends on how soon you think you will replace the body...if it won't be long then the swap is more work than it is worth...If it will be a while then I say go manual...best I could see is if a nice manual swap car came up for you so you didn't have to do a tranny swap at all.
In other news, there is a 2000 5speed for sale in my hometown...might have to try that out this weekend
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04-16-2013, 06:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sleepyalero
real men drive stick. the getrag would hold up to your power very nicely.
plus manuals give you a little more power gain then an auto would.
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haha, have you learned to power shift it yet?
I could shift my old 442 4-speed without the clutch with the Competition Plus shifter in it. Of course the trans only lasted 2 years with that kind of abuse.
Man I'd like to have that one back.
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04-16-2013, 06:41 PM
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power shifting is TERRIBLE for the transmission.
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Oldsnut is my Hero!
Meet Destiny, shes a 2001 Oldsmobile Alero GLS, F40 6MT swap. (#2 of 3)
2/24/14 - 200,000 miles body/motor. 22,300 on F40.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldsnut
He would Plasti Dip his pecker if he could.
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Originally Posted by tipnitty
A girl touched my Pee Pee. So you can say things are getting pretty serious for me.
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04-16-2013, 07:03 PM
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ion, just get the Heavy duty tranny from a pontiac grand prix GTP the slave cylinder on the f23 is a pain in the rooster to replace.
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04-16-2013, 07:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sleepyalero
power shifting is TERRIBLE for the transmission.
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Let me drive it once, once won't hurt it
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04-16-2013, 08:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 03gxeco
ion, just get the Heavy duty tranny from a pontiac grand prix GTP the slave cylinder on the f23 is a pain in the rooster to replace.
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probably not any more difficult than the slave cylinder on any other manual, you just didn't have the right stuff to do it...manual over auto all day every day
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04-16-2013, 08:57 PM
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lovin my manual. but first gear is very steep, so the power you make, first gear will be useless
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04-16-2013, 09:31 PM
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3500 DONE!
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REBUILT auto ftw. Who wants to shift all the time!? Lol. I'll take precise shifting over stick anyday. While others r shifting trying to catch up you can be worry free
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04-16-2013, 10:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AleroB888
Let me drive it once, once won't hurt it
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No way! Not letting anyone drive it lol.
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Originally Posted by colonel6632
lovin my manual. but first gear is very steep, so the power you make, first gear will be useless
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On my f40 first gear is 0-30mph. Very quick gear to start out at WOT. pedal to the floor you almost immediately have to go to 2nd.
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Originally Posted by billytheman1188
REBUILT auto ftw. Who wants to shift all the time!? Lol. I'll take precise shifting over stick anyday. While others r shifting trying to catch up you can be worry free
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Depends on the driver... I don't mind shifting all the time, it doesn't bother me, it's actually more fun then just sitting there.
Also doesnt matter between an auto and a manual, if you're good at driving a stick, you can easily change gears almost just as fast if not maybe a tad faster then the auto. Remember.. It's not the car, it's the driver behind the wheel.
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Oldsnut is my Hero!
Meet Destiny, shes a 2001 Oldsmobile Alero GLS, F40 6MT swap. (#2 of 3)
2/24/14 - 200,000 miles body/motor. 22,300 on F40.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldsnut
He would Plasti Dip his pecker if he could.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tipnitty
A girl touched my Pee Pee. So you can say things are getting pretty serious for me.
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04-16-2013, 10:28 PM
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Owner
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The manual will be quicker but the auto will give constant E.T.s
If you build an auto right it can handle the power. It is more costly up front.
In the manual you can still tear it up. You have to have a damn good clutch and watch your half axles especially if you launch too hard.
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04-16-2013, 11:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by billytheman1188
REBUILT auto ftw. Who wants to shift all the time!? Lol. I'll take precise shifting over stick anyday. While others r shifting trying to catch up you can be worry free
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Your lady parts are showing..
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04-16-2013, 11:25 PM
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This is closer than I expected.. manual all day man. Think about the tail of the dragon with a standard trans. Downshift into the corner right at the bottom of the power band stomp the gas as you slingshot out of the corner, your bov letting out a hiss as you slam into third slowly build back boost and as your wastegate lets out a death scream your turbo bolts break and your car breaks again
Seriously man.. you drive a race car... stop being a kitty and get something that will
a. Be more fun for you
b. Work better
c. Not need anything but a new clutch every couple years
Plus I know you don't care.. but more people outside of the alero community would respect your shit
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04-17-2013, 12:54 AM
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Agreed wouldn't you rather choose which gear you want to be in instead of mash the pedal, wait for the downshift then go.
You could hold your speed put it in a gear sit at like 3500-4000k rpms then mash it, wait for the shift point, BAM slam your next gear.
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S. . .L. . . E . . .E. . .P. . .Y. . .IS A TRAITOR--HE GOT BORED SO HE SOLD ME AFTER HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH A RICE ROCKET
Oldsnut is my Hero!
Meet Destiny, shes a 2001 Oldsmobile Alero GLS, F40 6MT swap. (#2 of 3)
2/24/14 - 200,000 miles body/motor. 22,300 on F40.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldsnut
He would Plasti Dip his pecker if he could.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tipnitty
A girl touched my Pee Pee. So you can say things are getting pretty serious for me.
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04-17-2013, 08:03 AM
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2Screwy
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: South Dakota
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just for the fun factor, manual
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04-17-2013, 08:52 AM
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Manuals are fun, but I personally don't think I'd ever be able to shift faster than my auto; some of you guys need a tune to really see how fast this thing can and does shift.
There is NO wait for a downshift, when it upshifts it's immediatley going in the next gear.. Hell when it shifts you can see the speedo jerk up at-least 5km/h on a hard shift; much like a manual...
I like both and have driven both but for daily use, and even speed of shifting I gotta go with the auto.. The available manuals tend to have better FDR's which in-turn produce faster acceleration though... these autos have TALL gears.
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04-17-2013, 12:28 PM
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636 whp
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Ya shifts are fast currently. I'll probably just put a replacement in here becuase it'd be the cheap and easy way. I don't need anything special and don't really feel like forking out more cash/work than I need to in my current situation.
If they were both the same time/cost to install, I'd go with the manual just to try it.
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04-17-2013, 12:31 PM
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should still go manual anyway, you'd like it.
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S. . .L. . . E . . .E. . .P. . .Y. . .IS A TRAITOR--HE GOT BORED SO HE SOLD ME AFTER HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH A RICE ROCKET
Oldsnut is my Hero!
Meet Destiny, shes a 2001 Oldsmobile Alero GLS, F40 6MT swap. (#2 of 3)
2/24/14 - 200,000 miles body/motor. 22,300 on F40.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldsnut
He would Plasti Dip his pecker if he could.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tipnitty
A girl touched my Pee Pee. So you can say things are getting pretty serious for me.
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