12-02-2008, 12:47 AM
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umm am i missing something or am I the only one that worries of the fact that with these brakes the front to rear bias will be off?
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12-02-2008, 12:48 AM
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60% to 70% of the braking is in the front brakes, notice that the stock front brakes are bigger than the stock rear brakes
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12-02-2008, 12:55 AM
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yea....the rear brakes dont do that much. Front brakes FTW!
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12-02-2008, 12:56 AM
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what was it.. 64% or somethin (more than half) of the car's weight is over the front wheels-
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12-02-2008, 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Midgear
what was it.. 64% or somethin (more than half) of the car's weight is over the front wheels-
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64.329081 to be exact i crack myself up
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12-02-2008, 01:28 AM
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I have yet to totally peg my brake pedal. I am scared of flatspotting my tires. Billy, ss braided lines are recommended, that way the pressure will not drop due to line swelling but they are just too pricey for what you gain, that is why most people don't bother with them. For me I had already spent $200 more than I wanted to on this swap so I did not want to do another $150 on ss lines.
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12-02-2008, 01:35 AM
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I have yet to totally peg my brake pedal. I am scared of flatspotting my tires. Billy, ss braided lines are recommended, that way the pressure will not drop due to line swelling but they are just too pricey for what you gain, that is why most people don't bother with them. For me I had already spent $200 more than I wanted to on this swap so I did not want to do another $150 on ss lines.
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ah ok. so braided lines will run about $150 forget that
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12-02-2008, 01:37 AM
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clarification.. will this setup fit behind a 16" factory (old style.. 99') polished aluminium wheel?
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12-02-2008, 02:12 AM
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Do not know if they will go behind your wheels. We can check on Jan 7. I have my 01 stocks on for winter right now and they are tight but it works. Depends how different the two GLS styles are.
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12-02-2008, 08:18 AM
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ah ok. so braided lines will run about $150 forget that
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I suppose it's all relative. When you have a $1200 set of calipers, $150 is a drop in the bucket. But I'm harder on my brakes than most - you won't miss anything in normal street driving.
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12-02-2008, 12:23 PM
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/\ Good point.
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12-02-2008, 01:36 PM
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But I'm harder on my brakes than most - you won't miss anything in normal street driving.
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Im right there with ya....i be on the them brakes
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12-31-2008, 07:44 PM
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one point though, if you see alot of track action, other than drag racing, braided lines would be a smart buy due to the fact that they will significantly help to reduce brake fade. those and high temp fluid or if you drive so hard on the street that you induce fade
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12-31-2008, 09:36 PM
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one point though, if you see alot of track action, other than drag racing, braided lines would be a smart buy due to the fact that they will significantly help to reduce brake fade. those and high temp fluid or if you drive so hard on the street that you induce fade
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This is a common misconception.
While braided lines will limit the small amount of expansion the rubber brake lines will see in heavy use, the main benefit comes in increased brake "feel" - which is not something that can be quantified. They mainly serve to help you better modulate your brakes.
Braided lines will not in any way reduce brake fade - that is simply a function of the friction coefficient and temperature resistance of the brake pad friction material.
High temp brake fluid will serve to curb a bit of fade, but mostly serves to limit "spongy pedal syndrome", which happens when brake fluid heats to the point of boiling, which introduces gases into the hydraulic braking system.
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02-21-2009, 12:29 AM
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This is a common misconception.
While braided lines will limit the small amount of expansion the rubber brake lines will see in heavy use, the main benefit comes in increased brake "feel" - which is not something that can be quantified. They mainly serve to help you better modulate your brakes.
Braided lines will not in any way reduce brake fade - that is simply a function of the friction coefficient and temperature resistance of the brake pad friction material.
High temp brake fluid will serve to curb a bit of fade, but mostly serves to limit "spongy pedal syndrome", which happens when brake fluid heats to the point of boiling, which introduces gases into the hydraulic braking system.
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yes, i was incorrect, but with these mods, your pedal movement does less to compensate the fact that the lines are ballooning, and pushing out gasses from boiling fluid, so therefore the pedal is only working to control your break pads, rather than dealing with these things in your system, and also, a stiffer brake pedal is always nice IMO
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02-21-2009, 12:50 AM
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holy crap I forgot about this thread
what's the prices as of now? This can be done for less than 300?
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02-21-2009, 01:58 AM
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It would be tough to go less than that. I spent around $450. If you take your time and shop around you might be able to do it that cheap. My issue was that one of my calipers was seized and I needed the car back on the road asap so I had to shell out for the parts. Keep your eyes on ebay for deals on the calipers and especially the camaro brackets, otherwise you have to purchase the bracket from the dealer since for some reason auto parts stores can't get them. If you still want to try your stock wheels over these for fit we can get together soon too.
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02-21-2009, 03:03 AM
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holy crap I forgot about this thread
what's the prices as of now? This can be done for less than 300?
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Yes, if you don't mind used stuff and camaro calipers...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/98-02...ht_7948wt_2062
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02-21-2009, 12:25 PM
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OMG i forgot about this thread too. I want bigger calipers when I find bigger rims(wheels)
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