3100 Turbo Monte Hit The Dyno Today....

[germ]

here's the mods....


3100 block, stock
3400 heads ("race" port, LS6 yellow springs)
3400 lower intake, ported and polished
3400 upper intake, stock
3400 TB, polished and knife edged
Level 3 turbo kit, tuned down to 9 psi
3" full exhaust
Custom PCM programing

here are the results.....

http://www.donkeypunchperformance.com//GermsStorage/DYNORUNS.jpg

260 wheel horsepower
256 wheel torque

which equates to...

~312 crank horsepower
~307 crank torque

stock numbers are (if i remember them right, lol)

160 crank horsepower
175 crank torque


whats this mean????

150+ hp increase and 130+ tq increase!


im pretty stoked about the #'s. the goal is 300 wheel hp at 12psi, i think this is a good start.

during the dyno runs i did notice 3* of kr around 5500 rpms which is where the power leveled off. im sure there are a few more hidden ponies in the setup

[gxryan]

lol wow I wish i coulda pulled that kinda power outta my old
3.1

thats awesome though
congrats

[-Alero-]

darn so close form doubling in hp

thats seriously awsome. is that with those log style headers too?

[Vtolds]

Good numbers ^I doubt he has headers, a better bet would be asking what kind of turbo manifolds if he isnt just running the stock manifolds.

[germ]

yea, i am using my turbo log "headers" that i make.

[alerored04]

hey jermey, was that matts car? that is some impressive stuff. great work man.

[Travis99Alero]

nice numbers...that car has to surprise a lot of people. :thumb:

[germ]

Originally posted by alerored04@Sep 13 2005, 09:08 PM
hey jermey, was that matts car? that is some impressive stuff. great work man.
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no man, this is my car, lol


matts car is about to go under the knife in the next few weeks.


you need to get back down here and hit the dyno too :pimp:

[alerored04]

i know i need to get down there but stuff is pretty busy up here, i thought you had a 3400 though, i must just not pay enough attention. im so jealous, and dont tell me that i should try to find the money cause then we get to worry about the tranny even if i can save enough for the turbo. nice work though :beerchug:

[kwhauck]

its okay, from all the poop you talk i was seriously expecting higher number than that......

[germ]

Originally posted by turbo-alero@Sep 13 2005, 10:34 PM
its okay, from all the poop you talk i was seriously expecting higher number than that......
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:Noooo:


and from all the poop you talk, i would expect you to have a turbo on your car already.


you must have missed the fact that i dyno'd at 9 psi instead of the 12 i normally run.

im still working the freak bugs out of the current setup (i just switched turbo's a week or so ago) and trying to tune it during the 2 days of no rain we have had in the past 2 weeks.

[Alerosince99]

Nice numbers Germ. What did you think of Elite. Last time I dynoed there I had a good experience. Very good service.

Those numbers should put you well in the 13s with some traction. At 12# you should be in or close to 12's

[germ]

Elite Autosports is awesome

ive been there a few times with buddies and customers to dyno their cars and i have always had a good experience.

i wont be going anywhere else thats for sure. they are only 2 blocks from the garage, lol.

[Alerosince99]

Oh...I didn't realize the garage was right there.

Thats very convenient for you!

I'll be switching cars real soon. More than likely gonna have to sell the camaro so I can buy a house. I'll be pming you soon once I start driving the Alero again.

[germ]

sounds good man, just let me know.


and yes, its very nice to have a dyno 2 blocks away. they are reasonable on their pricing, so thats a plus.

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by germ+Sep 14 2005, 04:49 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(germ @ Sep 14 2005, 04:49 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-turbo-alero@Sep 13 2005, 10:34 PM
its okay, from all the poop you talk i was seriously expecting higher number than that......
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:Noooo:


and from all the poop you talk, i would expect you to have a turbo on your car already.


you must have missed the fact that i dyno'd at 9 psi instead of the 12 i normally run.

im still working the freak bugs out of the current setup (i just switched turbo's a week or so ago) and trying to tune it during the 2 days of no rain we have had in the past 2 weeks.
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No, i didn't miss that

first off, i've never really argued with you it was mostly sc/alero and springs, but whatever........

secondly, i'm basing on the fact that the hp turbo kit, was 264hp and 284lb/ft of torque at the wheels at what?

9 psi

so as much as you talk up your car and business i was expecting more like in the 270-290 range........

[kwhauck]

oh yeah and a good setup is gonna take time......

i'm a college student with limited funds,

i'm gonna take care of the tranny swap first, build the engine, and then turbo it, but who know that could take another 2-3 years........but it is worth it to build it right the first time........

[germ]

first off turbo-alero, you must have missed another part....


they have the 3400 and i have the 3100 block, that right there is 20 more crank hp, so another 15-18 wheel hp and about the same for tq.

so that would put me at about 278whp, and 274 wtq. so thats right about where YOU thought i would be.

so hmmm, it appears that on 9 psi w/ a 3100 i am making damn near the same power as they did with 3400 setup at 8psi.


oh, did i mention its about $1,300 LESS than the HP kit?

[germ]

oh, and one other thing...

when i get the 3400 block back in and the boost back to 12+ psi, you'll see MUCH higher #'s

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by germ@Sep 14 2005, 11:27 AM
so hmmm, it appears that on 9 psi w/ a 3100 i am making damn near the same power as they did with 3400 setup at 8psi.Quoted post


uh i wouldn't call 260 whp damn near 264whp, close maybe, but not damn near, and i definately wouldn't call 256 lb/ft damn near 284lb/ft, it like not even the in same ballpark..........

so i don't see what you are trying to say, if you are saying that once you get the 3400 in you will get closer number well that is different then, because it will be 3400 vs. 3400,

and as far as the HP turbo kit, as far as i know they aren't even productin the kit any more, but i got some of their goodies.... :heehee:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/322000-322999/322880_100_full.jpg

oh and yeah i'm building the rest of the kit myself so it will be just as cheap or cheaper than your $2100

[germ]

and no, the tq is not the same, but yet again, its the 3100, add ~18 to the 3100's #'s and you will have about the same as what the HP kit produced

i dont even know why your even bringing it up, you cant even compare that kit to this kit.

the engines are not the same, the tranny's are not the same, the mods done to the engine are not the same


and good luck with your kit, i wont deny you can put a kit together yourself, the "heart" of my kits are the turbo log headers. finding someone to make those, will not be cheap, and since you got a set of the tubulars from the HP kit, yea, it would be easy and cheap to put one together, however, unless you can fab up a downpipe yourself, expect to spend a LOT of coin on that, if you can do it yourself, you just saved yourself a lot of money.


and for the price i put on my kits, that is a VERY attractive price for what you get compared to what others are giving you for a lot more money.

but hey, hate all you want on me, i dont mind, ive proven that my kit can make power, thats what i claimed it to do, and it make a lot of it for a cheap price.

[FormulaNERD]

go germ!i may inquire with you on a custom turbo header/manifold for my vw with t3/t4 in the future... think there's any possibilities that you could fab something if you had flanges and such to start with?

[germ]

are you talking about your GTI????

if so, i know where you might be able to have some better help than me


if its for a 3400 or 3100 i am sure we can work on something, pm me if your interested

[FormulaNERD]

yes, for the GTI, there are a few options out there for an updated cast manifold, but i want to go custom tubular.

[Daytona]

Nice numbers on the dyno. Congrats!

[b-spot]

My penis is bigger than your penis.

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by germ+Sep 14 2005, 12:48 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(germ @ Sep 14 2005, 12:48 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>and no, the tq is not the same, but yet again, its the 3100, add ~18 to the 3100's #'s and you will have about the same as what the HP kit produced

i dont even know why your even bringing it up, you cant even compare that kit to this kit.

the engines are not the same, the tranny's are not the same, the mods done to the engine are not the same

but hey, hate all you want on me, i dont mind, ive proven that my kit can make power, thats what i claimed it to do, and it make a lot of it for a cheap price.
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I'm not trying to hate, I just want all the cards on the table for everybody to see since you are making and selling performance parts for the 3x00 motor. And I think comparting kit to kit need to be just for the reason stated above.
Either way, yes you made some decent numbers. Just make sure you post your 12psi #s that will be interesting to see, oh yeah and get your car to a track....

Originally posted by germ@Sep 14 2005, 12:48 PM
and good luck with your kit, i wont deny you can put a kit together yourself, the "heart" of my kits are the turbo log headers.Â;-) finding someone to make those, will not be cheap, and since you got a set of the tubulars from the HP kit, yea, it would be easy and cheap to put one together, however, unless you can fab up a downpipe yourself, expect to spend a LOT of coin on that, if you can do it yourself, you just saved yourself a lot of money.Quoted post


You mean this downpipe..........

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/322000-322999/322880_103_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/322000-322999/322880_99_full.jpg


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and for the price i put on my kits, that is a VERY attractive price for what you get compared to what others are giving you for a lot more money.Quoted post
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I will give you this. Your prices are very attractive compared to the other companies for people that can't piece together their own kit. I'm not trying to bring down your business or anything. poop, i'm happy as hell that there are finally some decent businesses for the 3x00 motor. I just want to make sure everybody gets as much info as possible.

Happy Tuning,
Kyle

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by b-spot@Sep 14 2005, 03:52 PM
My penis is bigger than your penis.
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[germ]

i must have missed the downpipe picture.

like i said, the HP headers seem to be very nice, nothing wrong with that at all, because the headers and downpipe ARE the hardest things to do on a turbo kit.

and since you got that already, the rest is pretty easy to do.

i wont ever knock the HP kit. for its price and gains that you get, its worth the money, however, im not about to spend that amount of money on something that looks pretty. im a simplistic kinda guy, it just has to work and work well. which i think its proven that it does work well.


also, those headers will NEVER fit a monte carlo, the cyl #2 tube is out way to far, and we have an engine brace/bracket right there by the water pump, so in order to make those headers fit the monte or any w-body, you would have to remove the bracket, or modify the headers. either way, you sacrifice safty or you modify the header to make it work, and then you have to recoat it and etc... to much to do to make it work for the price it costs


so i made an alternitive, that just so happens to work for a few cars, lol