The Redog Semi-retires From Racing

[Redog]

As the title says, Redog is now Semi Retired from the 1/4 mile.

I took the car over to the mech on Sunday and it was leaking this odd liquid. I had no idea what it was. The car struggled a little bit on the hills and such, and the EGT read a little higher that normal.

Turns out, the liquid was gear oil. That's right. I destoryed the "rear". FWD cars have them but they are buried deep inside the tranny. Did I really do a number on it. I cracked the case for the tranny as well.

I'm not too upset about the car. Yes, it's being fixed, but I have a good mech and I know the car will be good, but the $2,000 to get fixed, ouch that hurts big time.

Anyway, my mech said that it was the hard starts and burn outs that did the damage, and since I don't have the money, or want to spend it, on a 4t65 swap, I'm just going with the 4t45 that already in the car, new of course. He did say that I could still race it, but not as often as I did before and no more killer burn outs

My mech is cutting me a break, $500 off, since I am a loyal customer, and since I have the cash, that is what he is getting.

Considering now a total race car. Something still streetable and run 12's or 13's at the track. Thinking about a 78 to 82 Malibu, Monte, or Cutlass. I like that body style a lot. At first, just racing with the stock motor and tranny, then going (after a year) with a SCB 350 or 400, 700rt tranny, and maybe a Ford 9" rear. Nothing to drastic, just enough to put down some nice numbers, and dirve back and forth. Going to think about it over the winter.

[jackal2000]

sadly it was only a matter of time

good luck with whatever you decide to do

[misslindseysue]

Yeah, it's almost impossible to kill a stock 4t45, but once you add all the crap (er, I mean, mods) and start mashing on it like that it's just a matter of time. That's a good deal for a new one though.

[Voodosoup]

Originally posted by Redog@Aug 29 2005, 08:09 PM

Considering now a total race car. Something still streetable and run 12's or 13's at the track. Thinking about a 78 to 82 Malibu, Monte, or Cutlass. I like that body style a lot. At first, just racing with the stock motor and tranny, then going (after a year) with a SCB 350 or 400, 700rt tranny, and maybe a Ford 9" rear. Nothing to drastic, just enough to put down some nice numbers, and dirve back and forth. Going to think about it over the winter.
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My first car was a 1978 Chevy Malibu, It had the V6 with a whopping 90hp I believe.
I loved that car!!! My dad wouldn't let me drop a 383 stroker in it like I wanted to.
Because "I had to have reliable transportation to get down to school with"

I have to see I'f I can dig up a pic of it somewhere......

[SilverBullet256]

there are some good cars out there to purchase, i myself would go for a chevelle malibu SS, or a 68 camaro SS something along those lines, i actually have a 1968 z28 sitting in a garage here that im gonna restore when im done with school, its got a built 350, with a 4 speed mucie tranny, o man a nice car, cant wait to get her completely restored

[-Alero-]

should of gone with the GAGT tranny.

[Daytona]

So THAT's what was wrong. That sucks.

Early 80's Malibus are a dime a dozen and easy to modify, which is why you see so many at the track nowadays. Maybe your buddy still has that POS '75 Malibu for sale. :P

[DRA-GON]

I ran into a 1980 restored Cutlass Supreme 2 days ago, really nice looking with a 350 in it , viper blue, only 1000kms on it and the guy is selling it for $3500 canadian , I took pics of the car I will post if you want.

[kwhauck]

get a 70-72 442 w30, a little more pricey but it could be your show and race car......:thumb:

[misslindseysue]

Originally posted by -Alero-@Aug 30 2005, 12:47 AM
should of gone with the GAGT tranny.
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Should have paid more attention in Grammar. And if you read his post, which I'm sure you didn't, since for whatever reason you two seem to just love to hate each other, you'd see that he just wanted to fix the Alero and retire it. The GAGT swap is way more complicated and expensive than what he's doing anyway.

[-Alero-]

Originally posted by misslindseysue+Aug 30 2005, 01:41 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(misslindseysue @ Aug 30 2005, 01:41 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin--Alero-@Aug 30 2005, 12:47 AM
should of gone with the GAGT tranny.
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Should have paid more attention in Grammar. And if you read his post, which I'm sure you didn't, since for whatever reason you two seem to just love to hate each other, you'd see that he just wanted to fix the Alero and retire it. The GAGT swap is way more complicated and expensive than what he's doing anyway.
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omg he just said he's getting a new transmission.......so thats a 4T40e transmission, and the GAGT has the 4T45e.....................so ya know, just a thought i figured, since the alero is down and getttign a new transmission, and he wants a DHP PCM, i figured hey, wow cool pick up the grand am PCM as well as the grand am transmission, but oh no dont listen to me, my suggestions suck, sorry lindseysue, maybe one day.......one day i'll have that great suggestion :rolleyes:

[xonelith]

Kind of off topic, but a few have posted about a 4t45 swap!?

My only question is why would anyone want the 4T45e???? IMO, it isn't worth it. If anyone decides to do a swap, go for a 65.

[FormulaNERD]

well it is, and isnt worth it.

if you're looking for a cost effective, rather simple auto tranny upgrade (to better gearing) go with the gagt tranny.


the 4T65 is a much bigger monster. but you know that.

[misslindseysue]

The only reason anyone wants the GAGT tranny is for the 3.29 final drive. A V6 Alero has a 4t45e with a 3.05 final drive. To do the swap is much more that just setting a tranny and PCM in. You need the BCM too, because the PCM checks the BCM for the VIN, and everything has to match or it'll kill the car.
And the 65 really isn't that great of a trans anyway, beef up a 45 if you want something for an Alero.

[FormulaNERD]

and FYI kyle.... lindseys b/f is the tranny guy, remember?

[misslindseysue]

Originally posted by FormulaNERD@Aug 30 2005, 09:02 PM
and FYI kyle.... lindseys b/f is the tranny guy, remember?
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:biggrin: I do listen when he goes on and on and on and on about work. And I even have a brain of my own.

[-Alero-]

gah i could of sworn the 45 was in the GAGT.......then who has the 40? do i have em backwards?

cause at AAMCO thier computers say i have the 4t40e.....

dont tell me i have the years mixed up again :rolleyes:

[Cliff8928]

the 4T40-E is in the 4-cylinder models only as I remember... It's quite strange that the trans actually has gear oil in it for the differential. I don't think that's a normal occurrence in a FWD transaxle.

Redog, you should just delve into a 5-speed swap =)

[misslindseysue]

Aleros and GA's both have 4T40s and 4T45's. 40's go in 4 bangers and 45's go in V6's. Well, newer 4's have 45's too, and 2.2's and 2.4's are split and everything depends on model year.
V6 Aleros - 4T45's with 3.05 final drives.
GAGTs - 4T45's with 3.29 final drives.

[-Alero-]

Originally posted by misslindseysue@Aug 30 2005, 10:24 PM
Aleros and GA's both have 4T40s and 4T45's. 40's go in 4 bangers and 45's go in V6's. Well, newer 4's have 45's too, and 2.2's and 2.4's are split and everything depends on model year.
V6 Aleros - 4T45's with 3.05 final drives.
GAGTs - 4T45's with 3.29 final drives.
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hmmph, what i dotn get is how there is gear oil inside the transmission. i was told its all fluid. only manuals had gear oil

[Oldsman]

LMAO...................swap his 4t45 with a 4t45

the GAGT swap has been brought up in the past. do a search to find the answers.

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

4T65E? would this work?
http://cgi.ebay.com/4T65E-Transmission-Pon...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/4T65E-Transmission-Pontiac-Aztek-Bonneville-Grand-Am_W0QQitemZ7996694252QQcategoryZ33727QQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[Redog]

The t65 will not work without programing and custom fitting. To do a GAGT tranny swap is pretty much worhtless. It would probably only be a few dollars more to do a t65 tranny.

The offical decission on Redog's track future is , rare. That is the amount of racing the The Alero will be doing.

I'm looking into one of the following, due to the ease, and general low cost of doing such a project. I'm looking at a few SBC's and a 700rt4 tranny.

I found a nice one on Jegs, putting down about 550 horse and getting a tranny that will stand up to it, like the 700rt4 that I saw, that is rated to 600 hp. I looked at soo many motors. The one I liked was a 427 stroker. It's a 350 block with a BB cam.

Looking to use aone of the following cars:

78-82 Monte, Malibu

78-85 Cutlass

82-85 Regal

80-94 Blazer S10

Really looking for "Grandma's" car right now. One of these cars with low miles that I could race as is until after the wedding, then work it up a bit

[FormulaNERD]

go with the blazer/jimmy... there are one or two here running 9's and 10's.... pretty damn sweet.

[Redog]

^^I won't be going that fast, at least not right now.

But I do agree that the Blazer/Jimmy set-up is cool. I saw somebody on the net that did a 88 Astro and it ran low 11's :eek:

[Daytona]

Keep it in the 12's or slower or else you'll have to put a roll cage in there and some additional safety equipment around the motor. Also, you will ned to install a driveshaft safety loop in order to run the car once it's modded for racing. It's an NHRA requirement for all cars runnign 13's or quicker, plus it's good preventative maintenance in case the shaft or connectors snap and your car tries to pole vault down the track.

[misslindseysue]

Originally posted by Daytona@Sep 1 2005, 09:51 PM
in case the shaft or connectors snap and your car tries to pole vault down the track.
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I just watched that episode of Mythbusters last night! They claim to have busted the myth that you can pole vault a car with a busted drive shaft. Any faster than about 20mph and the shaft just bouced over the pothole, and when it did catch at lower speed it busted through the car (and bent all up) and only lifted it about 18" off the ground. It was cool though.

[Redog]

Originally posted by Daytona@Sep 1 2005, 09:51 PM
Keep it in the 12's or slower or else you'll have to put a roll cage in there and some additional safety equipment around the motor. Also, you will ned to install a driveshaft safety loop in order to run the car once it's modded for racing. It's an NHRA requirement for all cars runnign 13's or quicker, plus it's good preventative maintenance in case the shaft or connectors snap and your car tries to pole vault down the track.
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Yeah that's why I want to keep it slower than 11.99. I probably won't be faster than 13's