Pro-m Maf For $215 And Free Shipping

[1WhiteOSV]

Okay...so I found this website that has the PRO-M MAF for $215 SHIPPED. It also comes with a billet housing (blue, black, clear, chrome). It can either be tuned for CAI or not for no extra charge. Is $215 brand spankin new for a blue billet aluminum PRO-M MAF worth it? Are the performance gains noticable? I have a CAI and SLP Catback exhaust.

http://www.jdsperformance.com/images/Dsc00865.jpg

here's the link to the site:
PRO-M MAF (http://www.jdsperformance.com/index.asp?initemuid=630&fcmd=item&inmake=all)

[1WhiteOSV]

No replies?....NOT a single person owns one of these? Finding that hard to believe.

[-Alero-]

people have owned them before, it causes you to run rich, i think you should buy it, i know i'll get one in the future.

[-Alero-]

the only draw back is decreased gas mileage. but its a price you pay for more power right?

[1WhiteOSV]

but wouldnt having a CAI and a TB help lean that "richness" out? Or would it still run rich w/ CAI and TB?

[-Alero-]

oh it would probably run richer to tell you the truth. since the CAI and the 62mm TB allow more air to pass in, more fule must be delivered to compensate and hopefully even out the mixture, but you cannot get an exact A/F mixture with our engines, but anyways, the CAI and your TB, help inhale more air to pass through the MAF, givign the signal that tells your engine to deliever even more fuel.

[1WhiteOSV]

Mini AFC 2.2 you can get exact A/F

[Oldsman]

there is a guy on gagt that was having good luck with it and knew a lot. i would ask over there.

[-Alero-]

Originally posted by 1WhiteOSV@Feb 28 2005, 10:59 PM
Mini AFC 2.2 you can get exact A/F
were you the one who borught that thread up? if so what ever happened to the results we all wanted to see on the alero?

[OrangeALero]

what makes it different from the stock MAF other than it doesnt have the screen?

[-Alero-]

it kinda manipulates the PCM to deliver more fuel, basically it just says "hey more gas here and here" which = more power.

i think its a nice buy, i know i'll get one somewhere down the road.

[1WhiteOSV]

I said I was getting the Mini AFC more towards the summer....it's in the thread. Also, the Pro-M MAF is larger diameter, no divider thingy in the middle, no screen, and calibrated for cold air intake (more fuel delivery)

[Redog]

I wouldn't bother

Spend the 215 on something else

[1WhiteOSV]

I hate all the mixed reviews lol.....a TON of people on GAowners.com rave about it saying how awesome it is....Aleromod basically has NOone that recommends it....and GAGT.com has about a 1/2 & 1/2 decision on it....AH! f*** it, I'm getting it...someone has to be the test dummy!

[-Alero-]

yay! you made the right decision!

[jabartram]

what is the size of our stock MAF?

[Alerosince99]

I've had one for a long time. Absolutely no problems and there was some increased power on bottom. I took it off when I thought I was gonna sell my car. Ended up keeping the Alero and will probably reinstall unless I go boost before I get a chance. :D

[germ]

if yoru buying a mini afc 2.2 then why buy the pro m? they do similar things.

but the afc 2.2 is MUCH better interms of allowing YOU to decide on how rich or lean you run your car.

the afc 2.2 is a WAY better choice than the Pro M because you will NEVER out flow a stock maf unless your boosted, point blank.

buy the afc and leave the pro m crap alone

[germ]

fyi

more fuel does not always make more power

[-Alero-]

true, but that wasnt the message i was exactly trying to say. i was trying to say more fuel is delivered to compensate for the more air thats coming in.

[1WhiteOSV]

i'm talking in terms of cost though......the mini afc is $160 but it's gonna cost over $100 for a shop to tune and test on a dyno....so i might get the PRO-M and see how it goes..i contacted the company selling it and they said I can return it if I'm not happy. Hell, why not get it then?

[-Alero-]

exactly! i told you dude!

[germ]

Originally posted by 1WhiteOSV@Mar 2 2005, 11:05 AM
i'm talking in terms of cost though......the mini afc is $160 but it's gonna cost over $100 for a shop to tune and test on a dyno....so i might get the PRO-M and see how it goes..i contacted the company selling it and they said I can return it if I'm not happy. Hell, why not get it then?
wow, not saying you havent looked around, but the mini afc's can be found VERY often for LESS than $100 on www.clubgp.com

just do NOT get the 1.0, the 1.1 is better and the 2.2 is best, but the 2.1 is fine as well.

as for dyno tuning. if you have to make more than 3 pulls on the dyno to tune in your a/f ratio, then obviously there is something wrong with the user or the car.

the dyno tech does not need to do anything but run your car, they dont tune it, they cant, you just move the % on the AFC.

so lets recap....

AFC 1.1 ~$50 shipped or AFC 2.1 ~$80-100 shipped (used of course and i bet you could find better prices too)

3 dyno pulls should NOT cost over $75, hell an hour should not cost over $100 EVER. most places charge 2 pulls for $50-60, or 3 for $75-90.

so if your lucky and look around for the best deals, your gonna get an AFC and dyno time for less than $150. hell you could even street tune it for free and it would only cost you as much as you spend on the AFC.

dont get the pro-m, seriously, its really a waste of money

[1WhiteOSV]

clubgp has ZERO 2.2's (what I want)....only used 1.0's and 1.1's and one 2.0 w/o a cover for the buttons. I talked to the shop here in town and it'd be $130 for however many pulls it'll take to get the right a/f ratio on the miniafc. And yes, it would be considered "tuning" when they're adjusting the mini-afc..i didn't mean literally ECU tuning. I'm still in the $300 ballpark w/ this....i am undecided. I love the fact I can just return the MAF if i dont like it....

[germ]

is there a reason why you want them to click the button on the afc?

seriously, its not hard and they should not have to touch your car other than to put it on the dyno and press the gas.

if your paying them to change the % on the afc, well, thats just plain silly and i would go to another dyno shop.

i know all dyno places are not the same price, but for $130 here in MN will get you 2 hours of dyno time, 2 large pizza's delivered including tip, 2 cases of pop/beer, a bag of dro, and 30 bux still in your pocket.

my buddy just went to the dyno, 3 pulls for $65 WITH wideband O2, my other buddy paid for 1 hour with wideband O2 for $80 and got in 13 pulls and still had 10 mins left.

like i said before, if you have to go more than 3 pulls to dial in your a/f ratio with the afc, your doing something wrong, seriously.

and about the AFC thing on clubgp, give it a week, they will come and go quickly so you have to watch the ads.

but hey, its your money and you spend it as you wish, im just trying to give you some friendly advice and help steer you away from what i would consideer and what many others would consider a bad investment.



one quick question..... how man high HP GM FWD cars do you see have the pro m maf or granetelli? VERY few if any, i cant think of any, and especialy when the guys that do all the tuning for gm v6's say they are a waste and skew your pcm like does, it provides no real improvement and can cause more harm than good, i tend to believe the people that have seen what kind of signals that thing sends.

hell, your in peoria, IL, get ahold of charles and DHP and have him tune your car for $215, you'll be happier in the long run this way.