A V8 Alero

[American Ghost]

Greetings!, Believe it or not I plan to pick up where Olds left off. With a fat wallet and patience I will drop a Northstar v8 into my Alero. I wish they would have completed the SS project to save me the hassle but hopefully the end results will be worth it!

[cutelilcntrygrl]

Good luck...

[Travis99Alero]

i cant wait to see how it turns out.

[Oldsman]

Originally posted by American Ghost@Feb 1 2005, 08:59 PM
Greetings!, Believe it or not I plan to pick up where Olds left off. With a fat wallet and patience I will drop a Northstar v8 into my Alero. I wish they would have completed the SS project to save me the hassle but hopefully the end results will be worth it!
SS project? what you talking about?

the Alero 442 had the V-8 in it and it was done by a company out in california that is big into northstar performance.

[jackal2000]

welcome and good luck with the swap. keep us posted on your progress.

[SilverBullet256]

yeah, like they said good luck, its good to see everyeone who wants to get this done, but the thing we almost never see is it getting done, so if you do it, keep us posted along the way

[springs fastest alero]

would be nice to see but the northstar is not a cheap or easy engine to play with.
we just pulled the motor out of a deville today.
never relized how damn big the trans is :blink:

[-Alero-]

yeah god speed. i would swap to that engine if i had the money.

[slowandlow]

hell y dont you do a ls1 then put twin turbos on it.

[|Rev|]

Would twin turbos fit in the Alero with a northstar?? :huh:

[-Alero-]

Originally posted by |Rev|@Feb 1 2005, 11:05 PM
Would twin turbos fit in the Alero with a northstar?? :huh:
dunno but i bet there is a turbo kit or super charger for that northy

[SilverBullet256]

honestly, for that kind of money and for that amout of work, why dont you just do the same thing springs is doing and soup up the original 3400, IMO it would be way more impressive to have a really really fast 3400 than a really really fast northstar :thumbsup:

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by SilverBullet256@Feb 1 2005, 10:08 PM
honestly, for that kind of money and for that amout of work, why dont you just do the same thing springs is doing and soup up the original 3400, IMO it would be way more impressive to have a really really fast 3400 than a really really fast northstar :thumbsup:
because he wants to be different and I dont really want anyone to copy me. ;)

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by springs fastest alero+Feb 1 2005, 11:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (springs fastest alero @ Feb 1 2005, 11:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SilverBullet256@Feb 1 2005, 10:08 PM
honestly, for that kind of money and for that amout of work, why dont you just do the same thing springs is doing and soup up the original 3400, IMO it would be way more impressive to have a really really fast 3400 than a really really fast northstar :thumbsup:
because he wants to be different and I dont really want anyone to copy me. ;) [/b][/quote]
who would copy you...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[mike2002]

i love people's first posts.......they always have such big plans.....lol

[Sportalero]

I was thinking the same thing when i saw this thread. New members always have "plans" but tend to change their mind. Not saying you can't do it, man, but once all the bullcrap that goes with putting that bad boy in comes into play, you might just say "Forget this", and we wouldn't blame ya B)

[|Rev|]

Originally posted by 99Alero_Boy+Feb 2 2005, 05:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (99Alero_Boy @ Feb 2 2005, 05:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by springs fastest alero@Feb 1 2005, 11:22 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-SilverBullet256@Feb 1 2005, 10:08 PM
honestly, for that kind of money and for that amout of work, why dont you just do the same thing springs is doing and soup up the original 3400, IMO it would be way more impressive to have a really really fast 3400 than a really really fast northstar :thumbsup:
because he wants to be different and I dont really want anyone to copy me. ;)
who would copy you...... :lol: :lol: :lol: [/b][/quote]
:lol: :lol:

[johny_boy32]

Originally posted by mike2002@Feb 2 2005, 02:08 PM
i love people's first posts.......they always have such big plans.....lol
:lol: ^dido^....lmao

[American Ghost]

I already have the enginge and the trans out of a crashed caddy, some grandma was driving too slow and wham! Got a buddy who will do the work for free with his a/p shop class. All for the cost of parts! pics to come soon?!?

[johny_boy32]

I can't wait to see this, keep us informed...lmao again.

[Molson]

Good luck with your project. Don't mind the naysayers, their just jealous their window tint and wire loom won't hold up. :D

[johny_boy32]

Originally posted by Molson@Feb 2 2005, 09:31 PM
Good luck with your project. Don't mind the naysayers, their just jealous their window tint and wire loom won't hold up. :D
^Somethin' Like That^

[aleroguy83]

man i'm all for you doing a motor swap in an alero. i get so much crap here in memphis for mine from all the rice burners and "import racers". if you need any help with any thing a guy i work with knows a whole lot about that stuff. he has probably the fastest tahoe i have ever seen and he is about to do a motor swap in his. he can give you some good advice on that northstar and ls1 if you plan on doing that. well anyways good luck and keep us posted.

[SilverBullet256]

a/p shop class, woohoo, no offence but that doesnt sound too promising, its not like you can just take the old one out and drop the new one in, there is alot more to it than that, alot more then most people know how to do, so im not saying its impossible or you're wrong, but dont get your hopes up :smokin:

[|Rev|]

Originally posted by SilverBullet256@Feb 2 2005, 11:27 PM
a/p shop class, woohoo, no offence but that doesnt sound too promising, its not like you can just take the old one out and drop the new one in, there is alot more to it than that, alot more then most people know how to do, so im not saying its impossible or you're wrong, but dont get your hopes up :smokin:
I'm getting a lot of negative vibes from you on this subject lol :lol: I've always wanted a northstar in my car, but it will be cheaper to sell it and get a BMW lol so I ditched the northstart plan, hope you get it going!!

[overdrive75]

Originally posted by springs fastest alero@Feb 1 2005, 11:38 PM
never relized how damn big the trans is :blink:
Hell yeah, 4T80E, that's a sweet gear box. The 4T45E is an exact copy only smaller, and without scavange pumps for the dry sump, and a few missing accuums, as well as only one valve body, where the T80 has 2.

[aleroman8]

Good Luck!

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by American Ghost@Feb 2 2005, 01:16 PM
I already have the enginge and the trans out of a crashed caddy, some grandma was driving too slow and wham! Got a buddy who will do the work for free with his a/p shop class. All for the cost of parts! pics to come soon?!?
yeah... he will do it for free till he sees the amount of work involved.
it is possible and gm has done it but its not easy or cheap
you will need waaaaaay more than just the engine from the caddy too

[Vtolds]

Really Crazy Idea but you could always try calling GM they may have the interest to help you wedge the Northstar Motor in a Alero.

[|Rev|]

Originally posted by VTOLDS@Feb 3 2005, 03:24 AM
Really Crazy Idea but you could always try calling GM they may have the interest to help you wedge the Northstar Motor in a Alero.
yeah cuz all you gotta do is "wedge" it in there :huh:

[SilverBullet256]

i wasnt trying to be a jerk about it, im sorry, i was just stating that alot of people have had the same idea and have all said the same thing and nothing has hsown up from all of them, once they see how much work is involved that not many know how to do they just scrap the idea :smokin:

[|Rev|]

Originally posted by SilverBullet256@Feb 3 2005, 04:29 AM
i wasnt trying to be a jerk about it, im sorry, i was just stating that alot of people have had the same idea and have all said the same thing and nothing has hsown up from all of them, once they see how much work is involved that not many know how to do they just scrap the idea :smokin:
:D You're forgiven :thumbsup:

[mike2002]

will the northstar even fit? that thing looked crammed in my aurora. it is afterall one of the biggest v8's gm's making, bigger than the ls1.

unless your talking about a 95 (obdI) they havn't even figured out the computer, so your looking at a stand alone computer, another grand++

i saw a northstar swap in a 1990 oldsmobile toronado trofeo, but they have a little bigger engine bay

[|Rev|]

Originally posted by mike2002@Feb 3 2005, 12:40 PM
will the northstar even fit? that thing looked crammed in my aurora. it is afterall one of the biggest v8's gm's making, bigger than the ls1.

unless your talking about a 95 (obdI) they havn't even figured out the computer, so your looking at a stand alone computer, another grand++

i saw a northstar swap in a 1990 oldsmobile toronado trofeo, but they have a little bigger engine bay
yeah it will fit, I can't find the pic now, but it has been done before

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by mike2002@Feb 3 2005, 05:40 AM
will the northstar even fit? that thing looked crammed in my aurora. it is afterall one of the biggest v8's gm's making, bigger than the ls1.

unless your talking about a 95 (obdI) they havn't even figured out the computer, so your looking at a stand alone computer, another grand++

i saw a northstar swap in a 1990 oldsmobile toronado trofeo, but they have a little bigger engine bay
the alero actually has more room between the strut towers than the intrigue and they put a northstar in an intrigue.

also the 3.5L that was in the osv takes up just as much or more room than the northstar
the accessories bolt directly to the block on the northstar but stick out front on the 3.5
as mentioned before it has been done by gm
stand alone would be the best way but I'm not sure where you are going to find a stand alone for arround a grand
the one I got for my V6 was around 2500 with a few extras.

[Oldsman]

see it fits fine in an Alero.

this is actually a 4.6 475hp northstar that was in the Alero 442, according to the Special Vechile Manager.

[Sportalero]

^^hell, and it loox alot cleaner and orderly than the V6 in there

[johny_boy32]

hell yeah, thats clean and its looks great in place

[SilverBullet256]

yeah, but the work getting it there isnt as clean :thumbsup:

[flalero]

Yeah, I'm also going to be pessimistic about this. There have been many that have come onto this site and said they were going to drop a 350 or a Northstar or a Shortstar into their Alero. I have yet to see it happen and I've been on this site for two years. If you do try it, good luck, but I just don't think it would be worth the money. Just build up the internals with parts from Mantapart and put a high boost turbo or supercharger on it. Putting a motor like that in the Alero would upset the balance, among other things.

[99BLKALERO]

i agree...take what you have and make it faster!!!!!!

[flalero]

I just saw the post where you mentioned the shop class, as in high school shop? Man that could take all year to do that. If you really want this done, I would to a race fabrication type of shop. You know, somebody that builds race cars for a living.

[SilverBullet256]

and like he said, throwing it in there would throw everything off, after you add that the car would barely be a driveable car, well i mean you can drive it, but it would only be good for racing or a show car, has no practical purpose unless you plan on racing or doing shows hardcore, and like he said, it could take you a very long time to do it and i dont think a shop class would be able to handle it in any way, sorry man :smokin:

[AGT]

Originally posted by mike2002@Feb 2 2005, 09:08 AM
i love people's first posts.......they always have such big plans.....lol
Exactly...besides is a caddy engine the best to use? I think I would rather the money into our engines like springs

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by flalero@Feb 4 2005, 10:14 AM
I just saw the post where you mentioned the shop class, as in high school shop? Man that could take all year to do that. If you really want this done, I would to a race fabrication type of shop. You know, somebody that builds race cars for a living.
it would take a while even if its a dedicated project from a professional shop
I'll easily have 1000+ hrs into my car when done
granted its not just an engine project.
building the car to handle that kind of power is not a fast task.
I've seen what having my car to 300 hp has done to things on the car
so I have an idea what needs to be done to handle the new goals.
if you are starting to build this much power for the first time, you are going to break all kinds of exotic parts.
not meaning to discourage but its not just as easy as bolting the motor in running some wires and callin it a day.
if you dont want this car to fall apart, you will have to do some serious work

[SilverBullet256]

my thoughts exactly, cant just throw it in :thumbsup:

[RAVAGE214]

This may be stupid question because no one has asked it yet, but yoru you goign to convert it to RWD or keep it FWD, im pretty shure theres a FWD northstar thou.

[Super White Alero]

it gonna be hella lotta work, but there was one thread started about a guy putting a Northstar into an MR2 on here and maybe you could email him for advice. Grouch you have the thread somehwere? I can't help it.

[Spilner521]

Originally posted by RAVAGE214@Feb 16 2005, 12:42 AM
im pretty shure theres a FWD northstar thou.
there is..its in the aurora. big ass engine though. my mom has it in her aurora. i was lookin at it the other day...i'm not sure the whole thing will even fit in an alero.

[RAVAGE214]

Originally posted by Spilner521+Feb 16 2005, 02:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Spilner521 @ Feb 16 2005, 02:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RAVAGE214@Feb 16 2005, 12:42 AM
im pretty shure theres a FWD northstar thou.
there is..its in the aurora. big ass engine though. my mom has it in her aurora. i was lookin at it the other day...i'm not sure the whole thing will even fit in an alero. [/b][/quote]
I thought the aurora had its own V8? The same one they use in the Indy cars that dominated only those used methenol

[SilverBullet256]

ok for one, they have to northstars which are fwd in the aurora's and if i remember correctly even a caddy northstar would work, but you just have to get the fwd tranny to match, idk, if i were you i would go AWD, with a certain caddy engine, you know what im talking about john :thumbsup:

[mike2002]

like the old fart next door "just throw a 350 in it" his awnser to all questions to life, the 350, gods gift to man :D lol, anyways

did someone say shop class? i doubt your shop teacher has the know how to pull this off, engine transplants like this are about 100x more complicated than taken that 305 out of your monte for a 350 back in the day. and to top it off, the northstar and 4t80e are the most complicated setups in gm's lineup...

fyi, the aurora 4.0 "northstar" shares the same physical dimensions as the cadillac 4.6 northstar. its just de-bored, only difference (of course the heads are different, combustion chamber size...but you get the idea) the aurora is a 4.0 version of the "sls" motor

[SilverBullet256]

thats what i was thinking, and yes a northstar will fit, gm did it themselves in the 442 alero :thumbsup:

[SilverBullet256]

this si the picture i believe http://alero.org/gallery/bigimages/engine-northstar.jpg