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[springs fastest alero]

I thought everyone might want to see what I've been up to on my car.
I've been working my ass off at my full time job to pay for this stuff as well as selling many of my old parts and using moeny from my hail damage.
mastercard loves me :(
the new shifter is mounted in the car. my trans will be done this week.

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TOG's latest in ceramic coatings

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ASC race heads with comp cams springs locks and retainers, new stainless steel oversized valves.

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radiator for the intercooler and rear coilovers

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clutch

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aluminum flywheel

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tec3 stand alone and harness

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what the car looks like right now

[-Alero-]

:wah: :wah: :wah: total bill? what kind of clutch is that? how you gonna get the turbo on the TOG's? nice head's, and hows the rods coming? hows the tec3 set up gonna work i wanna see that B) all in all thats pretty fancy hardware :thumbsup:. sorry for all the questions :(

[wy3134]

WOW....cant wait to see this beast as it comes alive! ur goin to a manual tranny right?

[-Alero-]

oh yeah and where did you get that flywheel!? i didnt know they had flywheels for the 3.4 thought we had flexplates. (i probably have no idea what im talking about) im guessing that flywheel has something to do with your manual transmission right?

[Redog]

Gonna be scary :o

[Vtolds]

They make a manual trans for the 3400? I thought they didnt.

[Youngblood77]

I love all the questions :D Good luck with the car John, she's gonna scream. :thumbsup: Just from the pic it looks like ASE did a nice job blending the ports on those heads.


In case he doesn't get back to reply, here's a series of answers:


No they never made a manual tranny for our 3.4 powered cars an option , Yes, that's a manual he's working on, and lastly, yes, automatics have flex plates and not flywheels.

[Crolero]

Pardon me while i just droooooooool uh.....uh...u.h..u.h...gfh.gfhdgh.dhgd.



thats gonna be nice when its done! goodluck! :thumbsup:

[germ]

depending on which manual tranny you go with, wont you have clearance issues with the xover and bellhousing?

btw, not a bad mod list you have for yourself.

and how are you going to hook up a turbo to that or are you going S/C

[Final-Reality]

Thats a lot of hardware... those head ports look a lot better than stock....you just need a proper cam to go with them :P

:cheers: good luck with it, assembling is the easy part, tuning is the hard part :P

[SilverBullet256]

as far as i know, john is a s/c guy, so im pretty sure he is gonna stick with a s/c cause thats what hes always used, except a turbo would be good with the manual tranny so only he knows :thumbsup:

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by Alero-@Dec 28 2004, 10:42 PM
:wah: :wah: :wah: total bill? what kind of clutch is that? how you gonna get the turbo on the TOG's? nice head's, and hows the rods coming? hows the tec3 set up gonna work i wanna see that B) all in all thats pretty fancy hardware :thumbsup:. sorry for all the questions :(
you dont want to know total cost
clutch masters stage 4 ( 4 puck ceramic)
I'm not going turbo
tec3 will work great after I get through its thick ass instruction manual :(

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by Alero-@Dec 28 2004, 10:47 PM
oh yeah and where did you get that flywheel!? i didnt know they had flywheels for the 3.4 thought we had flexplates. (i probably have no idea what im talking about) im guessing that flywheel has something to do with your manual transmission right?
yeah its for the manual
cant tell ya where I got it :ph34r:

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by VTOLDS@Dec 29 2004, 10:49 AM
They make a manual trans for the 3400? I thought they didnt.
they dont

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Originally posted by germ@Dec 29 2004, 03:04 PM
depending on which manual tranny you go with, wont you have clearance issues with the xover and bellhousing?

btw, not a bad mod list you have for yourself.

and how are you going to hook up a turbo to that or are you going S/C
there is more room than there is with the auto actually.
and I'm still planning on using a whipple 1600AX supercharger

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by Final-Reality@Dec 29 2004, 08:03 PM
Thats a lot of hardware... those head ports look a lot better than stock....you just need a proper cam to go with them :P

:cheers: good luck with it, assembling is the easy part, tuning is the hard part :P
cam is on order and with any luck should arrive in about 5-6 weeks
make no mistake there is nothing easy about what I'm doing :(
tunning wont be that bad really
I'm investing in a wide band O2 and she may even be broke in on a dyno.

hardest thing is my R&D
I have sooooo much time wrapped up in this allready just finding part or having them made

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by SilverBullet256@Dec 29 2004, 08:32 PM
except a turbo would be good with the manual tranny so only he knows :thumbsup:
not as good as you would think
I've experienced close to this platform with a manual and sc and its a great combo

[wy3134]

ahh the good ole supercharger, i still cant decide which route to go, better experiences w/ superchargers over turbochargers? i know the benefits of both but actual experience is better than any knowledge found in books...btw thats some hella custom work bein done!

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by wy3134@Dec 29 2004, 09:47 PM
ahh the good ole supercharger, i still cant decide which route to go, better experiences w/ superchargers over turbochargers? i know the benefits of both but actual experience is better than any knowledge found in books...btw thats some hella custom work bein done!
I like instant power.
turbos are cool and I still want to play with one some time. I just cant stand lag. and turbos still take power to make power, but there is no way arround the exhaust restriction they create. There are ways to lessen drag on the engine from a supercharger.
that and too many people have turbos arround here
I've never owned one and the sound of them is old to me.
I figure I'm taking a car that gets little respect on the streets and wiping the smerk off their face, I might as well use a power adder that gets little respest.
not many people have messed with twin screw sc's
they are fairly new to the automotive industry. but what I've seen I love.

[aleroman8]

Damn, that's one hell of a project. Good Luck!

[wy3134]

ahh good point i totally overlooked! i know u were or are working on a supercharger kit for the 3400, is there any chance in the future for one to go on the ecotec?

[-Alero-]

Originally posted by wy3134@Dec 29 2004, 11:59 PM
ahh good point i totally overlooked! i know u were or are working on a supercharger kit for the 3400, is there any chance in the future for one to go on the ecotec?
uhh i believe there are plenty of turbos and supers for the ecotec. the ecotec has the biggest aftermarket.

also, springs is that a dual friction clutch?

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by Alero-@Dec 29 2004, 10:06 PM


also, springs is that a dual friction clutch?
nope ;)

[-Alero-]

:(

[Alerosince99]

John,

Nice to see you are finally getting to the finish line on all the work you been putting into it. :D

Did you end up oversizing both valves? and by how much?

I hope TOG's new ceramic coating is better than what they used to use. The old coating, or at least the batch I got mine from, seemed like it had impurities that caused minor rust.

[wy3134]

just came to mind, are you rearranging the power band and to what numbers? just curious how that works cause it still baffles me how that can be done on an engine....im sure this has to be done but thought i would ask anyway

[mike2002]

Originally posted by springs fastest alero+Dec 29 2004, 11:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (springs fastest alero @ Dec 29 2004, 11:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-wy3134@Dec 29 2004, 09:47 PM
ahh the good ole supercharger, i still cant decide which route to go, better experiences w/ superchargers over turbochargers? i know the benefits of both but actual experience is better than any knowledge found in books...btw thats some hella custom work bein done!
I like instant power.
turbos are cool and I still want to play with one some time. I just cant stand lag. and turbos still take power to make power, but there is no way arround the exhaust restriction they create. There are ways to lessen drag on the engine from a supercharger.
that and too many people have turbos arround here
I've never owned one and the sound of them is old to me.
I figure I'm taking a car that gets little respect on the streets and wiping the smerk off their face, I might as well use a power adder that gets little respest.
not many people have messed with twin screw sc's
they are fairly new to the automotive industry. but what I've seen I love. [/b][/quote]
a screw supercharger...isn't that what the millenia S's had? that was one powerful engine for being 2.3L.

i was thinking the same thing, i see v6 headers, a clutch, flywheel.......awesome, to bad gm only put a stick to the smaller engine, alero could have been a pretty fast car with a 3400/5 speed

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by Alerosince99@Dec 30 2004, 08:37 AM
John,

Nice to see you are finally getting to the finish line on all the work you been putting into it. :D

Did you end up oversizing both valves? and by how much?

I hope TOG's new ceramic coating is better than what they used to use. The old coating, or at least the batch I got mine from, seemed like it had impurities that caused minor rust.
TOG should warranty your headers
if you want the new coating let me know
I can have yours redone in the new stuff.
intake and exhaust valves are lager but not by much. not sure the exact spec.
we went with another company since manley took so long on the last set of heads

[Steberino]

I am trying to rebuild my engine and was wondering about what works in terms of upgrading engine internals on 3.4L
I am looking for:
Camshaft and its specs
Valves and their specs
Valve Springs & Retainers and their specs
Rocker Arms and their specs
Pistons and Rings and their specs
Rods and their specs
Lifters and their specs

I am also wondering how much over on bore I should go and about the heads. Can you please post some recommended engine internals specs as well as vendors? Thanks.

[springs fastest alero]

JE is who did my pistons they are totally custom being that my motor is now stroked
rods are modified small block chevy
you cant bore the engine too much because stock its pretty close to max.
www.60v6.com has some good info
www.j-bodyperformance.com has some internals that will work
much of what I've done is custom, one off, or modified from another application

[kwhauck]

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[eag182]

That has got to be thee ugliest carpet I have ever seen.


Nice car parts, though B) .

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by eag182@Jan 2 2005, 12:32 PM
That has got to be thee ugliest carpet I have ever seen.


Nice car parts, though B) .
I've seen worse but its my parents house I dont care ;)

[-Alero-]

Originally posted by springs fastest alero+Jan 2 2005, 06:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (springs fastest alero @ Jan 2 2005, 06:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-eag182@Jan 2 2005, 12:32 PM
That has got to be thee ugliest carpet I have ever seen.


Nice car parts, though B) .
I've seen worse but its my parents house I dont care;) [/b][/quote]
lol so get all the oil and grease you want on it. :P

[shockz]

Wow. This is one thing I'm going to keep my eye on.

I'm actually excited to see how this comes out.

Good Luck. :)

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by springs fastest alero+Jan 2 2005, 05:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (springs fastest alero @ Jan 2 2005, 05:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-eag182@Jan 2 2005, 12:32 PM
That has got to be thee ugliest carpet I have ever seen.


Nice car parts, though B) .
I've seen worse but its my parents house I dont care;)[/b][/quote]
.....the carpet is nothing, they should see the bedcover huh John..............wooh-wooh.............RFLMAO

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by 99Alero_Boy@Jan 3 2005, 10:17 AM

.....the carpet is nothing, they should see the bedcover huh John..............wooh-wooh.............RFLMAO
thats the kids spare bedroom where I have a ton of parts stored
trains on the bed cover ;)

[-Alero-]

lmao, and the kids just sleep with the transmission, like its a damn teddy bear lol

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by Alero-@Jan 4 2005, 12:09 AM
lmao, and the kids just sleep with the transmission, like its a damn teddy bear lol
RFLMAO :lol: :lol: :lol:

[isellalerodrop]

Originally posted by eag182@Jan 2 2005, 02:32 PM
That has got to be thee ugliest carpet I have ever seen.


Nice car parts, though B) .
Noooooo, my ex wifes grand parents have this white with this disgusting looking blue design, and at night the blue design glows, its truly hideous.

[Spook]

Sweet evil jesus man...this thing is gonna be a monster...
your frankenstien if you will. :ph34r: :thumbsup:

[springs fastest alero]

looks like having her done by march is a pipe dream.
work has slowed down, bills have not, rods were made incorrectly (wrist pin bushing is too small) so they have to be sent back to manley to be honed to the correct size.
Mods list is ever growing and as much as I cant wait for this thing to live I dont want to rush or cut any corners.

[Youngblood77]

Sorry to hear it man, but you're doing the right thing....being patient and not cutting corners. The finished product will be that much better. B)

[springs fastest alero]

yeah I think so too but oh how I miss driving my alero:(

[johny_boy32]

Originally posted by springs fastest alero@Jan 5 2005, 05:38 AM
yeah I think so too but oh how I miss driving my alero:(
On that note, what are you driving?

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by springs fastest alero@Jan 4 2005, 11:38 PM
yeah I think so too but oh how I miss driving my alero:(
that's ok John, you can drive mine, you just gotta let me drive yours when its done :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Sno]

WoW!!! That is going to be sick when it is done with :thumbsup: awesome man!

[jamcllw]

What are you doing about axles? Are the stock ones strong enough for what you are going to put them through. Your probably not going to be using the stock ones but I'm just wondering.

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by johny_boy32@Jan 5 2005, 07:26 AM

On that note, what are you driving?
94 chevy corsica
great on gas milage, tons slower than I'm used to
sucky thing is my bank wont let me drop the alero down to storage ins. so having it sit in the shop is still costing me 250 a month:(

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by jamcllw@Jan 5 2005, 04:33 PM
What are you doing about axles? Are the stock ones strong enough for what you are going to put them through. Your probably not going to be using the stock ones but I'm just wondering.
I've talked to a few people because axles are a concern of mine
the axles has to be custom built anyway since the V6 never came with a manual.
the inner joints are from a 94 cavalier the have to be hardend and use chromolly guts. The physical shaft I'm not sure yet, they may be modded auto's or they may be from like a 92 grand prix 3.1 5 speed. Just whatever fits the bill on length.
outer joints is where things break.
so I plan on using cadilac outer joints because they are the strongest factory joints made.
this requires custom hubs and a few other things

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by 99Alero_Boy@Jan 5 2005, 09:06 AM

that's ok John, you can drive mine, you just gotta let me drive yours when its done :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'll think about it.......
when ya going to upload those pix?
I"m sure some what to see the internals of my transmission :)

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some trans pix

this is a very rare piece

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this is what the stock diff looks like. major difference in the 2

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shifter in place

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pedals and clutch master cylinder

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the new coil pack for the tec3

[bigd6983]

o man thats so awesome lol........you are the envy of everyone on these boards......take it slow dont rush.......everything will come together faster than u expect.......even though things are slowing down
.......

[springs fastest alero]

its picked up a little
my boss gave me another engine pull this week so I can get the trans back out of the shop :)
I've decided to switch the entire interior to grey since it will match everything better. hard to find racing seats that match the tan. plus the tan gets dirty too fast:(

[bigd6983]

Originally posted by springs fastest alero@Jan 6 2005, 10:51 PM
its picked up a little
my boss gave me another engine pull this week so I can get the trans back out of the shop:)
I've decided to switch the entire interior to grey since it will match everything better. hard to find racing seats that match the tan. plus the tan gets dirty too fast:(
lol yea i can see that........and yea it does......any lil spill sticks out like a sore thumb

[Nik1128]

Wow... just, wow... That is something else, dude. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[2000NavyAleroGLS]

Now thats a good way to max out your credit card. Seriously

[AGT]

Originally posted by springs fastest alero@Jan 7 2005, 12:51 AM
its picked up a little
my boss gave me another engine pull this week so I can get the trans back out of the shop :)
I've decided to switch the entire interior to grey since it will match everything better. hard to find racing seats that match the tan. plus the tan gets dirty too fast:(
Wanna get rid of those front seats?

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by AGT+Jan 8 2005, 09:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AGT @ Jan 8 2005, 09:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-springs fastest alero@Jan 7 2005, 12:51 AM
its picked up a little
my boss gave me another engine pull this week so I can get the trans back out of the shop :)
I've decided to switch the entire interior to grey since it will match everything better. hard to find racing seats that match the tan. plus the tan gets dirty too fast:(
Wanna get rid of those front seats? [/b][/quote]
iv'e replied to your pm ;)

[SilverBullet256]

that is just insane, you better be winning some good money and sponsorships and stuff when you get her finished or you're sunk, keep the work up man and we're all here behind ya all the way and hope you succeed with her :thumbsup:

[springs fastest alero]

sponsors shouldn't be a problem
so far I've built her from parts I've sold off the car, money at my new job, and the good old mastercard.
sponsors will prolly be my way of paying for events, supplies, repairs/upgrades after the car is complete

[ImpetuousRacer]

I'm happy to have helped contribute to the fund for your custom Alero, as well now be a proud owner of a soon to be supercharged 3400.

Your Alero is a masterpiece in the works.

I never could have fathomed such a perplex creation in my wildest dreams that would yield such a result that your car soon will. Good luck with everything! And I’m sure I will be purchasing a lot more merchandise from you in the future. :thumbsup:

[ImpetuousRacer]

and Damn you for making me register to view the pictures!

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by ImpetuousRacer@Jan 9 2005, 10:02 PM
and Damn you for making me register to view the pictures!
its a good site to be on and welcome aboard ;)

[SilverBullet256]

hey john, can someone say "cover of hott rod magazine" ;) , definately somehting to keep shooting for :thumbsup:

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by SilverBullet256@Jan 10 2005, 07:35 PM
hey john, can someone say "cover of hott rod magazine" ;) , definately somehting to keep shooting for :thumbsup:
would be nice but I dont think hotrod will ever have a car like mine on the cover:(

[Oldsman]

i agree with ya john.

[Oldsman]

john where didyou get the pedal setup and shifter at?

[Final-Reality]

Originally posted by Oldsman@Jan 10 2005, 11:20 PM
john where didyou get the pedal setup and shifter at?
Also interested in the pricing for all this, and how difficult it is to install in a car that originally had an automatic :)

[Oldsman]

Originally posted by Final-Reality+Jan 10 2005, 10:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Final-Reality @ Jan 10 2005, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Oldsman@Jan 10 2005, 11:20 PM
john where didyou get the pedal setup and shifter at?
Also interested in the pricing for all this, and how difficult it is to install in a car that originally had an automatic :) [/b][/quote]
Me also.

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by Oldsman@Jan 10 2005, 09:20 PM
john where didyou get the pedal setup and shifter at?
from the dealer except the B&M short throw I got that from one of my suppliers

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by Final-Reality+Jan 10 2005, 09:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Final-Reality @ Jan 10 2005, 09:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Oldsman@Jan 10 2005, 11:20 PM
john where didyou get the pedal setup and shifter at?
Also interested in the pricing for all this, and how difficult it is to install in a car that originally had an automatic :) [/b][/quote]
well if you really want to know. I went over kill on many items
all is new and I got dealer level discounts on most.

pedals were $75 my cost with the rod for the mastercylinder too
clutch master cylinder was $127.96 also my cost
basic shifter with console piece was like $150 from a friend with a connection
cables were arround $90 they come as one piece
the doner V6 manual trans was $275 shipped to the shop
the aluminum flywheel was $278 my cost ( I've seen them retail for almost 400)
the 4 puck ceramic clutch was just shy of 600 at cost from a friend
slave cylinder was included with the clutch.
I then found a trans that was set up for a quad 4 that had 3.94 final drive ratio, close ratio gears, and the extremely rare limited slip diff for $1800
took it and my orignal box to the trans shop.
had the gears cryo-hardend as well as the shafts this was $300
it was $500 to swap parts and do new bearings and seals

not cheap but I wanted to make sure I wouldnt break anything with my projected power output.

[wy3134]

wow thats an expensive tranny, but i guess when u wanna hit those high HP levels that ur shooting for, price is second to quality and reliability.

[Oldsman]

thanks john

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by wy3134@Jan 11 2005, 07:43 AM
wow thats an expensive tranny, but i guess when u wanna hit those high HP levels that ur shooting for, price is second to quality and reliability.
exactly. I'd like to get some miles at of this too though
you could honestly do it for lots cheaper
I've talked to a few people abouyt this trans
turbo Z24 is prolly pushing 400 hp at the wheels on his car and all that has broke was his diff.
if you go with the limited slip unit like i have that problem is gone
gm also had a FWD salt flats car Q4 powered that made 400+ hp and did 200+ mph on a stock box.


also if you compare what I've spent to the built autos there is not much difference

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by Oldsman@Jan 11 2005, 08:51 AM
thanks john
no problem
if you need any parts sources pm me and I'll help ya where I can. cheapest way is to find one in the junk yards and rob all ya can
we did that at a local pick a part yard here for my friends beretta
had pretty much everything for like $200

[springs fastest alero]

got most of my interior out. disasembled the dash and removed all that will not be used.
car now has 3 pedals and the clutch master mounted
I'll have pix shortly I hope