Where To Start...

[Schimmel03]

Ok, I've decided that want to make my car not only look sharp, but be quick. I was wondering what are the first things I need to do? I know that a CAI is on the top, which is what I'm planning on right now. I'm probably going to go witht the Iduction Dynamics one, but I was just curious as to what everyone else would do.

[Spilner521]

the induction dynamics CAI is good to start with. other mods you could do are exhaust header, 2 1/2" cat-back exhaust, maybe with a high flow cat, underdrive crank pulley and alternator pulley, and you could even throw on the RSM 62mm throttle body with their ported intake manifold. you could even put in an adjustable fuel pressure regulator to improve fuel flow at top end. all those will give you a good, noticeable difference over stock and you'd end up with a decently quick car :thumbsup: or you could go the forced induction route like me B)

[doubleN0alero]

i have a ported Intake Mani for sale if you're interested. I'll sell it off cheap, I just want rid of the thing...brand new, never installed...Why? simple answer, I got rid of my 2.4 right after I bought it...

[|Rev|]

I have a 2.4l Exaust manifold Header for sale, 150 plus shipping, let me know.

[Spy]

you want to make a 2.4 quick?

Try these fun things, all things are pretty much bolt on type modifications, however the electronic toys need to be wired up, no plug n play there.

induction dynamics intake
rsm throttle body
2.3ho manifold conversion *do it right and it won't let you down*
2.3 cams
pacesetter header
2.25 in/out cat
2.5in exhaust
2.3HO crank pulley
adjustable regulator (get it tuned for optimal psi on dyno)
Apexi S-AFC (again get tuned on dyno for optimal gains)
75shot of nitrous


GM supercharger kit
2.3 cams
pacesetter header
2.5cat
2.5exhaust
battery to trunk
intake straight to fenderwell
rsm throttle body
smaller charger pulley
S-AFC (dyno tune it)


you should have fun with those toys...

if you want to go farther and NOT want the supercharger.
Do an 086 head swap w/ the **secret cams**
than you'll have to find yourself a 2.3exhaust manifold flange for the header
and the 2.3Ho intake manifold will bolt on without mods...

Damn why don't I do this?

[Vtolds]

^yeah 2.3 HO parts will pump up the power alot, otherwise pretty much everything everyone has said is a good start. you may also wanna look at the Venom intake manifold and other stuff from them for the 2.4 cavalier.

[FormulaNERD]

^ yea, i agree with what everyone else said, but i dont want to take the time to reword it...

+1

[Vtolds]

.http://www.absolutepunk.net/images/smilies/new/00000729.gif

[FormulaNERD]

actually i was mimicking you to the T.

[Schimmel03]

I went to the RSM website and I can't find any of there products. Their Oldsmobile link doesn't work.

[Oldsman]

Originally posted by VTOLDS@Dec 15 2004, 03:58 PM
^yeah 2.3 HO parts will pump up the power alot, otherwise pretty much everything everyone has said is a good start. you may also wanna look at the Venom intake manifold and other stuff from them for the 2.4 cavalier.
the venom intake is a joke.

[Oldsman]

Originally posted by Schimmel03@Dec 15 2004, 10:01 PM
I went to the RSM website and I can't find any of there products. Their Oldsmobile link doesn't work.
try for the grand am. or you can even get parts for the cav and sunfires. they are the same motor from 99 to 01

[Oldsman]

one thing, if you are not going turbo or s/c or even N2O do not go with the 62mm throttle body. you lose too much bottom end. get a 2.3 HO throttle body instead.

[Schimmel03]

where do i get the HO throttle body? Anyone point me in a good direction?

[Oldsman]

sometimes you can find one on ebay. or thru someone off j-body.org or you can go to a junkyard and find one off 2.3 HO.

[Schimmel03]

Ok, so if I do the 2.3 manifold and tb swap can I still use the induction dynamics intake or will it not line up?

[Spy]

Originally posted by Oldsman@Dec 16 2004, 05:29 AM
one thing, if you are not going turbo or s/c or even N2O do not go with the 62mm throttle body. you lose too much bottom end. get a 2.3 HO throttle body instead.
who races below 3500rpm?

[|Rev|]

^ still hurts you off the line though, doesnt it?

[Vtolds]

Originally posted by Schimmel03@Dec 15 2004, 11:01 PM
I went to the RSM website and I can't find any of there products. Their Oldsmobile link doesn't work.
There website doesnt work with firefox I believe it only works with IE if you are using firefox that is the reason why the link doesnt work.

[Spy]

Originally posted by |Rev|@Dec 16 2004, 07:33 PM
^ still hurts you off the line though, doesnt it?
I call b/s.

[Oldsman]

well spy, i got the proof out in the garage. it lost some power off the line. no BS, just a Fact. now i did gain from 4000 up.

Now to you saying who races below 3500? well everyone that has an auto. that is who. off the line is just as important as top end. and drag racer will tell ya that.

[Vtolds]

off the line power it the 2.4 sucks hard but that is to be expected with the really low torgue the 2.4 makes compared to the 3400.

[Oldsman]

Originally posted by VTOLDS@Dec 16 2004, 07:47 PM
off the line power it the 2.4 sucks hard but that is to be expected with the really low torgue the 2.4 makes compared to the 3400.
FYI................i am not some dumbass ok. I've forgot more than you know. ok, buddy.

No poop a 2.4 will have less off the line than a 3400. hey guess what, a 455 will have more power out of the hole than a 3400 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

my basis was on HO intake with 54mm TB compared to HO intake and 62mm TB

[|Rev|]

Originally posted by Spy+Dec 16 2004, 10:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Spy @ Dec 16 2004, 10:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-|Rev|@Dec 16 2004, 07:33 PM
^ still hurts you off the line though, doesnt it?
I call b/s. [/b][/quote]
It's a fact dude, and how can you call my b/s if I'm asking a question? :rolleyes:

[Schimmel03]

:blink: Everyone just calm down. lol. :blink:

We're getting a lot off topic here... lol. No one ever answered my question. If I do an intake manifold can I still us the induction dynamics CAI? :D

[Oldsman]

i think spy has a stick so it won't hurt him because he can launch into the power band. but that is not the case for us auto guys.

[Super White Alero]

Originally posted by Schimmel03@Dec 16 2004, 11:43 PM
:blink: Everyone just calm down. lol. :blink:

We're getting a lot off topic here... lol. No one ever answered my question. If I do an intake manifold can I still us the induction dynamics CAI? :D
yes you can still use the CAI with the 2.3 HO. I believe that the TB is 54mm so you should have np there. And as Oldsman said, no need to to go beyond 54mm unless you going for boost, or juice. And ID is making a great looking IM, im wondering if anyone has used that yet, and if there are any gain from that?

[Schimmel03]

ID hasn't produced it yet, but they're making it for the sunfire/cavalier. Ok, I went back to the site. Looks like they have completed developing but it is for racing purposes only. The battery needs to be relocated to the trunk.

"Ranko-Dawnâ„¢ Intake manifolds are intended mainly for racing applications and are not a friendly OEM replacement. Although full streetability is retained the manifold will require some changes to vehicle's engine bay. ie. use of this manifold REQUIRES that the battery be relocated to the trunk, and requires the use of a special COLD AIR INTAKE. Stock throttle body cables and retaining brackets are re-used."

[FormulaNERD]

i say relocate your battery and try it out. sounds to me like it's fully streetable, and they only put that warning for people who dont want to relocate the battery. i'd go for it.

[Schimmel03]

I think I might call them and find out pricing. They don't have pricing on the site. That things looks hot btw. lol. But isn't the Venom manifold like $300? That would mean this would probably be about that too. HMMM.... Let me go check my bank account... :ph34r:

[FormulaNERD]

got a link?

[Schimmel03]

Sure do. http://www.induction-dynamics.com/ld9_in_manifold.html

[FormulaNERD]

looks nice, but the pipes are a little small

hey oldsman, you just have the IM from the 2.3 right? it looks alot beefier.

[Oldsman]

Originally posted by Super White Alero+Dec 17 2004, 01:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Super White Alero @ Dec 17 2004, 01:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Schimmel03@Dec 16 2004, 11:43 PM
:blink:Â;-) Everyone just calm down. lol.Â;-) :blink:

We're getting a lot off topic here... lol. No one ever answered my question. If I do an intake manifold can I still us the induction dynamics CAI?Â;-) :D
yes you can still use the CAI with the 2.3 HO. I believe that the TB is 54mm so you should have np there. And as Oldsman said, no need to to go beyond 54mm unless you going for boost, or juice. And ID is making a great looking IM, im wondering if anyone has used that yet, and if there are any gain from that? [/b][/quote]
Yes. i am using my ID CAI with the HO manifold. works fine

actually you can go to 56mm and be good.

[Oldsman]

Originally posted by Schimmel03@Dec 17 2004, 09:52 AM
I think I might call them and find out pricing. They don't have pricing on the site. That things looks hot btw. lol. But isn't the Venom manifold like $300? That would mean this would probably be about that too. HMMM.... Let me go check my bank account... :ph34r:
last i knew the intake was around $1000 don't know if price went down but that is what they were wanting for it when it came out.

the venom is not worth the money. it is just a pretty stock manifold basically.

you can get a HO manifold for around $100 and then have it port matched for less than that.

[Oldsman]

Originally posted by FormulaNERD@Dec 17 2004, 10:03 AM
looks nice, but the pipes are a little small

hey oldsman, you just have the IM from the 2.3 right? it looks alot beefier.
yea i have the HO manifold. and a 2.4 RSM 62mm TB. for right now.

[urweak]

i would start with an intake, go with the ID intake, or if thats to muchj, then go with the AEM intake. After that you could go with some exhuast, most people say 2.25-2.5 piping, or you could do the HO manifold swap. But most things have already been covered so im not going to type it all over agian. But just start with an intake first and go from there.

[HAZED]

Originally posted by Oldsman@Dec 16 2004, 12:40 AM
sometimes you can find one on ebay. or thru someone off j-body.org or you can go to a junkyard and find one off 2.3 HO.
what car and yr. can u find the ho 2.3

[urweak]

http://www.quad4forums.com/forums/showthre...=&threadid=1763 (http://www.quad4forums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1763)

Go there, you will probably have to sign up, but it has every car with every 2.3 ever made listed.

[urweak]

Originally posted by Oldsman+Dec 18 2004, 08:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Oldsman @ Dec 18 2004, 08:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Schimmel03@Dec 17 2004, 09:52 AM
I think I might call them and find out pricing. They don't have pricing on the site. That things looks hot btw. lol. But isn't the Venom manifold like $300? That would mean this would probably be about that too. HMMM.... Let me go check my bank account... :ph34r:
last i knew the intake was around $1000 don't know if price went down but that is what they were wanting for it when it came out.

the venom is not worth the money. it is just a pretty stock manifold basically.

you can get a HO manifold for around $100 and then have it port matched for less than that. [/b][/quote]
the price was more in the 1200-1500 range for a pre order.

And then why get it port matched when you can get the flange from exploited racing for 70 bucks. For the port matching you cant just do the bshape, you also have to add material to the bottom to make a step for the air to go into the motor better.

[Oldsman]

oh i know for a true port match you need to have about 1/4 of aluminum added to the port and then dremel it out.

but with exploited track record, probably be more reliable adding material.

[urweak]

i have the garolite flange in my room it was $77 shipped and the aluminum one would be about $87 shipped. but its nice work.

[per0xide]

if you want to find parts without going to the junkyard first... http://www.car-parts.com/ is a pretty good search engine for junkyards.. i found a 2.3L HO (HO is an assumption) for a 94 olds acheiva for $75 in austin :)

[urweak]

Originally posted by per0xide@Jan 12 2005, 12:53 AM
if you want to find parts without going to the junkyard first... http://www.car-parts.com/ is a pretty good search engine for junkyards.. i found a 2.3L HO (HO is an assumption) for a 94 olds acheiva for $75 in austin :)
its probably a SOHC motor that doesnt run.

[Super White Alero]

Originally posted by urweak+Jan 18 2005, 02:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (urweak @ Jan 18 2005, 02:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-per0xide@Jan 12 2005, 12:53 AM
if you want to find parts without going to the junkyard first... http://www.car-parts.com/ is a pretty good search engine for junkyards.. i found a 2.3L HO (HO is an assumption) for a 94 olds acheiva for $75 in austin :)
its probably a SOHC motor that doesnt run. [/b][/quote]
All HO motors are quad4 DOHC

[Super White Alero]

delete please