T3/t4 Garret Install

[vodkaslut85]

Hey guys, I've finally built up the balls and knowledge to try this install. I bought a brand new garret t3/t4 15 lb of boost turbo kit that comes with all bendable tubing and a 3 core intercooler online. my grandfather got me a weeksworth of time at his shop so hopefully I'll get the install done the first week of break, which will be the 20th through the 24th...I'll be sure to take pictures of the whole process, the only thing I'm ofraid of is that I think theres a big chance I'm gonna have to remove my AC unit which won't be too much a problem unless my auto window motors burn out again. I know I haven't been on here at all in a while but college has been kicking my ass but I think it's finally time to do this install, in the meanwhile I've installed a tranny cooler, installed high performance injectors and spark plugs and have a company I found to make a chip for my car to work properly with the turbo. The one question I have for you guys is...think it would be benefical to have a turbo boost knob on the inside of the car? to change the boost on the go? It's annother 200 dollars I could probably come up with...what do you all think?

Well yeah, less than 2 weeks till I start the install, I'll let you all know how it went.

[-Alero-]

yeah a boost knob would definatly be a good idea because you dont wanna me running max boost just for normal street driving, because its rerally tough on your tranny and rods. i definatly recommend the knob, so yo ucan turn it up when its needed and down when its not needed.

[Redog]

Yeah I agree.

Your already putting out so much for the kit what's another $200

[-Alero-]

dont forget the turbo timer :lol:

[wy3134]

turbo timer, boost knob, id say get one of those electronic ones that controls both boost and the timer, may cost more than $200 but imo way better accuracy

[vodkaslut85]

yeah, I can understanda bout the tranny and rods, but thats why I got the transmission cooler and hopefully I can find soem aftermarket internals. and as far as the turbo timer is concerned, I'm not too worried about having one of 'em...my friend has one in his WRX and i tdoesn't do poop for him besides sound like his turbo is runnin' when the car is turned off.

[AGT]

Originally posted by vodkaslut85@Dec 8 2004, 07:20 PM
Hey guys, I've finally built up the balls and knowledge to try this install. I bought a brand new garret t3/t4 15 lb of boost turbo kit that comes with all bendable tubing and a 3 core intercooler online. my grandfather got me a weeksworth of time at his shop so hopefully I'll get the install done the first week of break, which will be the 20th through the 24th...I'll be sure to take pictures of the whole process, the only thing I'm ofraid of is that I think theres a big chance I'm gonna have to remove my AC unit which won't be too much a problem unless my auto window motors burn out again. I know I haven't been on here at all in a while but college has been kicking my ass but I think it's finally time to do this install, in the meanwhile I've installed a tranny cooler, installed high performance injectors and spark plugs and have a company I found to make a chip for my car to work properly with the turbo. The one question I have for you guys is...think it would be benefical to have a turbo boost knob on the inside of the car? to change the boost on the go? It's annother 200 dollars I could probably come up with...what do you all think?

Well yeah, less than 2 weeks till I start the install, I'll let you all know how it went.
Where'd ya get it?

[jabartram]

Originally posted by vodkaslut85@Dec 8 2004, 06:20 PM
installed high performance injectors
where did you get the injectors?

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by vodkaslut85@Dec 8 2004, 08:34 PM
....my friend has one in his WRX and i tdoesn't do poop for him besides sound like his turbo is runnin' when the car is turned off.
HOLY poop!!!!! you don't even know what a turbo timer does and you are going to install a turbo......f***in cripes man, that is what a turbo timer does.....it runs your turbo after your car is shut off so the turbo has time to cool down...

please read this if only to help yourself not look so retarded in the future..... (http://www.mrtrally.com.au/performance/whytimer.htm)

[-Alero-]

lol yeah it cools the turbos down very well, my friend had a red 300zx with one, it kicked ass, he would turn the car off and walk off and 30 seconds later the turbo would turn off and the car would lock automatically, its kinda unique and definatly a must IMO. but anywho, the tranny cooler, isnt exactly gonna prevent the transmission from commiting suicde, its just gonna add some more life too it, so it wont exactly prevent damage all together, just adds a little life too it, then it dies :lol: unless your lucky

[Redog]

Yeah I good turbo timer will help the turbo last longer.

A very important investment ;)

[vodkaslut85]

Originally posted by jabartram+Dec 9 2004, 02:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jabartram @ Dec 9 2004, 02:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-vodkaslut85@Dec 8 2004, 06:20 PM
installed high performance injectors
where did you get the injectors? [/b][/quote]
my grandfather actually found those for me, not sure how he got his hands on them or even what brand they are, for a while I was driving around in his S4 and he was driving my alero and obviously the alero isn't as fast as the S4 so he had to keep modding, being the gearhead that he is. as far as I know, he installed the tranny cooler and injectors himself for me while I was at school with his car.

to answer the question of where I got the turbo from, I found it on yahoo auctions, the intercooler was a separate ebay auction.

And since I guess I completely phazed out about the turbo timer slipup, I'm not gonna argue I guess you were right about the timer but then I dont' know why my friend never use his then and just lets it sit there and uses it once in a while.

[bigd6983]

where are ou getting the exhaust manifolds done at, custom done??

[1WhiteOSV]

^^^ Just what I was thinking......also, my friend has an older supra turbo and he decided to not go w/ a turbo timer when he upgraded his turbo and about a year later the turbo bearings seized up and basically ruined a $3000 turbo...if you're not gonna get a timer then you'd better get a remote start or something and hit the start button before you get outta the car then take the keys out and let it run for the 12mins or whatever the remote start is programmed for to let the turbo cool down lol.

Also, a tranny cooler won't really reduce the wear and tear on the tranny at 15psi all that much..if any.

Final thought: JUST GET A TURBO TIMER AND A BOOST CONTROLLER! lol

[Silentalero]

i got a blitz turbo timer from my eclipse still sittin here....$95 and its yours....


btw yes DEFINATLY get a turbo timer, i had it on my GSX and its not just so you can walk away from the car with it on...it actually does serve a purpose with cooling the turbo down after you get done running it..and on a t3/t4 turbo your defiantly gonna want it...dats an expensive turbo to fak up

[Silentalero]

Originally posted by 99Alero_Boy+Dec 8 2004, 09:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (99Alero_Boy @ Dec 8 2004, 09:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-vodkaslut85@Dec 8 2004, 08:34 PM
....my friend has one in his WRX and i tdoesn't do poop for him besides sound like his turbo is runnin' when the car is turned off.
HOLY poop!!!!! you don't even know what a turbo timer does and you are going to install a turbo......f***in cripes man, that is what a turbo timer does.....it runs your turbo after your car is shut off so the turbo has time to cool down...

please read this if only to help yourself not look so retarded in the future..... (http://www.mrtrally.com.au/performance/whytimer.htm) [/b][/quote]
:lol: :lol: my thoughts exactly

[bigd6983]

yea if your going to do this, do it right, you may think a few extra hundred bucks in electronics that you necessarily need right now, but once the turbo goes and you gotta buy a new one, your going to mad you didnt........dont be cheap and just fork it out!! lol....

and remember i wanted to know where the exhaust manifolds are getting done, i think building a custom turbo project would be fun to be some parts at a time, but never knew a place that sold just the manifolds......

get back at me......

[flalero]

What everyone else said about electronics, plus...15psi on a stock motor? You are just asking to throw a rod through the block. You are going to have do something with the motor before you even think about running 15psi. How are your intake manifold gaskets? If you haven't replaced these, do it before boost. Then there's the tranny...

[ImSoBored152]

that be what the controler is for. Keep it low until you do get your internals done.

[bigd6983]

i dont think id run more than 6 psi on stock internals........just to keep it everday reliable.........

[vodkaslut85]

Okay, as far as the manifold is concerned, my grandfather as I've stated on here millions of times before has owned a shop for over 20 years and he has many connections...he says he knows a shop that will design a custom manifold for me...if you guys want, I can have him come up with a price and # for you guys if you are interested....

second point is, yes untill I get the internals, specifically rods and cam, I'm not going to boost above 5 psi

third pont, one of the reasons I gave the car to my grandfather was because he replaced those f***ed up gaskets for me, I did have that problem, and thats the main reason I gave the car to him and just ended up liking his for so long that I held onto his ride for like 2 months lol...but as far as the gasket is concerned, it's fixed and replaced.

And on the last point, I'm going to try to find a turbo timer/booster controller as I haven't even got the boost controller...and yes I do have bank to pay for all this my boss has me scheduled for 35-45 hours a week for my 4 week break so I won't have to wory about paying for all this stuff.

[wy3134]

when u have the custom manifolds done for your car, think if they had a way to get specs for the ecotec they could do those? if so lmk im looking into building a custom turbo for my ecotec and might have the funds as early as the middle of january.

[vodkaslut85]

ummm...actually I'm bringing my car over to their shop, they need an "experiment machine"...and the 3400 is dif. than the ecotec so they'd need one on hand.

[bigd6983]

yea man get a price on the manifold........just something to throw out there.....

[germ]

sorry to intrude, but i want to make a few points....

a turbo timer is NOT needed. as long as you dont shut the car off RIGHT after a WOT run then your fine. why do you ask? if your just driving around NORMAL then the oil temp does NOT raise past 200*. after WOT runs it will get up to 225*+ and thats when you need to cool off the turbo by letting the car run.

normal driving does not usually heat the oil up very quickly, so when you take short trips, as long as you dont beat it up, then you would be ok. i drive 15 miles to work everyday, my oil temp gauge does not get past 180* at all on the drive. but if i drive any longer, it stays right at 200*

the reason why i say a timer is usless is because MOST turbo's do not spin at idle, and oil will not go past the shaft unless its spinning, therefor there is no cooling effect from a turbo timer.

also, stock internals will hold up to 10 psi on a daily driver with larger injectors. ive been doing 10psi for quite some time.

the only thing i would upgrade are your headgaskets to copper gaskets or graphite gaskets.


just a couriosity question, anyone with an alero actually turbo it yet?

[germ]

i almost forgot, a turbo timer's goal is to prevent "coaking", which is hardening or solidifing of oil on the shaft and bearings inside the turbo AFTER oil has heated up PAST its max temp limit. if you use synthetic oil, you can pretty much assure yourself that you wont coak your turbo up.

[kwhauck]

yes there has been a couple turbo aleros already......and can we see some pics of your setup, your old threads pics do not work......

[germ]

all pics can be found here....

http://www.cardomain.com/id/germsws

[kwhauck]

thanx, nice car by the way....

[germ]

thanks, i like it.

[00AleroV6]

how much horse can alero's hold with a turbo?

[vodkaslut85]

hey guys, sory it's been so long since I updated you guys on the progress of the 'hoe...but there have been some good and some bad times in the past few weeks, took a couple extra days to get the intake manifold from the shop my gramps sent me too, and it ended up costing me 2100 dollars...then when I got the install complete I took it for a street run with stock ecu and problems started, shift points were weird, engine temp was runnin' way high like the intercooler had a problem and eventually I saw smoke billowing from my hood, I fried the turbo and ended up driving my car onto the shoulder, taking my shammy from my trunk and rippin' the turbosetup from my engine before everything got fried and ruined my engine... so yeah I'm done with my dreams of turboing the alero, I figure I'll save my money up and get a WS6 or Ls1 camaro. And then the pooptiest thing of all is my digital camera I took all the pictures of the setup with got stepped on and ruined including the memory card by my drunk friend 2 nights ago when I was DDing....yea not the best past few weeks. But theres my experience with turboing the 3400 engine...

[Youngblood77]

:blink: :wah: Sorry to hear about your troubles man.

[germ]

the intercooler should have nothing to do with the engine temp, well very little anyway.

and you took a piece of cloth and removed the turbo on the side of the highway???? how did that 1200* turbo feel?

and how did you just "rip" it out. you cant just rip it out man. if you pull off your turbo your going to have an open crossover shooting flames into your engine bay.

not unless you had the stock one handy and a mobil welder to fix the downpipe so it matches back up to the stock DP flange.

and on a side note, if you paid $2100 for a manifold and xover, you got ripped a new ass hole.


you want to sell that turbo :rolleyes:

[FormulaNERD]

i knew this guy was full of poop from the get go.... all of this is total bs.

[Final-Reality]

Originally posted by vodkaslut85@Jan 1 2005, 06:08 AM
took a couple extra days to get the intake manifold from the shop my gramps sent me too, and it ended up costing me 2100 dollars...then when I got the install complete I took it for a street run with stock ecu and problems started, shift points were weird, engine temp was runnin' way high like the intercooler had a problem and eventually I saw smoke billowing from my hood, I fried the turbo and ended up driving my car onto the shoulder, taking my shammy from my trunk and rippin' the turbosetup from my engine before everything got fried and ruined my engine... so yeah I'm done with my dreams of turboing the alero, I figure I'll save my money up and get a WS6 or Ls1 camaro. And then the pooptiest thing of all is my digital camera I took all the pictures of the setup with got stepped on and ruined including the memory card by my drunk friend 2 nights ago when I was DDing....yea not the best past few weeks. But theres my experience with turboing the 3400 engine...
So let me get this straight. According to your story, you buy a $2100 intake manifold for the 3400, installed it along with the rest of your turbo setup. Then on your very first excursion out, you overheat the motor, but keep driving anyways like an idiot instead of immediately pulling over. Then you "fry" the turbo, how I'm not sure but I assume you mean to say you overheated your car so badly that the bearings were shot. Then you pull over to the side of the road. Then you go into your trunk, get a crow bar or some poop (at this point in the story it doesnt matter), then you tear the turbo, the manifold, and everything else out of the engine bay (on the side of the road?), "before everything got fried". Meaning you were in a hurry to tear the turbo kit out of your engine bay before it melted down and explodeded your engine, right? Then of course you just give up and say you're getting a camaro. Of course, what good would your story be without pics, right? Oh snap! My camera also got stepped on and ruined and I lost all my pictures and thus proof of this story! It SOUNDS convenient, but it's true!




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[AGT]

Originally posted by Final-Reality+Jan 3 2005, 04:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Final-Reality @ Jan 3 2005, 04:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-vodkaslut85@Jan 1 2005, 06:08 AM
took a couple extra days to get the intake manifold from the shop my gramps sent me too, and it ended up costing me 2100 dollars...then when I got the install complete I took it for a street run with stock ecu and problems started, shift points were weird, engine temp was runnin' way high like the intercooler had a problem and eventually I saw smoke billowing from my hood, I fried the turbo and ended up driving my car onto the shoulder, taking my shammy from my trunk and rippin' the turbosetup from my engine before everything got fried and ruined my engine... so yeah I'm done with my dreams of turboing the alero, I figure I'll save my money up and get a WS6 or Ls1 camaro. And then the pooptiest thing of all is my digital camera I took all the pictures of the setup with got stepped on and ruined including the memory card by my drunk friend 2 nights ago when I was DDing....yea not the best past few weeks. But theres my experience with turboing the 3400 engine...
So let me get this straight. According to your story, you buy a $2100 intake manifold for the 3400, installed it along with the rest of your turbo setup. Then on your very first excursion out, you overheat the motor, but keep driving anyways like an idiot instead of immediately pulling over. Then you "fry" the turbo, how I'm not sure but I assume you mean to say you overheated your car so badly that the bearings were shot. Then you pull over to the side of the road. Then you go into your trunk, get a crow bar or some poop (at this point in the story it doesnt matter), then you tear the turbo, the manifold, and everything else out of the engine bay (on the side of the road?), "before everything got fried". Meaning you were in a hurry to tear the turbo kit out of your engine bay before it melted down and explodeded your engine, right? Then of course you just give up and say you're getting a camaro. Of course, what good would your story be without pics, right? Oh snap! My camera also got stepped on and ruined and I lost all my pictures and thus proof of this story! It SOUNDS convenient, but it's true!




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:lol: :withstupid: [/b][/quote]
I dont know...if he had a jury of his peers he might be able to convince them mmmbwahhahaha :lol: Thats just too many bad things happening without any progress pics or final build pics. Ask anyone in here we would have at least the part picture or the final build pic.

[wy3134]

all i gotta say is..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[isellalerodrop]

Originally posted by FormulaNERD@Jan 3 2005, 02:41 PM
i knew this guy was full of poop from the get go.... all of this is total bs.
good call :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[bigd6983]

yea this guys full of it........whys he so worried about the intake manifold when its the exhaust manifold we had in questions.......and 2100 for an intake, jesus chrimany how much porting can you actually do.......156mm throttle body?????? lol.......

[germ]

poop, at least i was trying to be nice about calling him a liar lol