S/c 3800 Swap

[Arsonalero]

i was just looking at the S/C 3800 and was wondering how much of a pain would it be to swap it out for our 3400 or is it even possible??

[Vtolds]

Its possible all you basically will need is the engine, trans, computer, wiring, and engine mounts.

[Crazytaxi37]

Not to mention custom half shafts anda boat load of cash.

[King Asoka]

i dont thin kits worth it, just beef up the 3400 and throw in a turbo or SC.....

[SikMindz]

Yo Dan...

There's another thread floating around somewhere about the first current gen. N-Body to get a 3400 ==> 3800 SC swap.

BTW, I don't think I can roll Friday. Might be able to for a few hours before 9pm but I've got plans...doubt you'd want to drive al that way for nothing. Let me know...

[flalero]

Not to mention a new hood to clear the supercharger. You can get just as much power, for less cost, with the new turbo kit that's out. I've heard about 260 to the ground (not to the wheels, that equals about 290-300 at the crank).

[kou5oku]

Where could one find the new turbo kit? All I see are the 4cyl turbos


Thanks!
kou5oku

[kwhauck]

here yeh go buddy.......6cyl turbo......make sure you do your tranny first.... (http://www.turbochargedpower.com/99-04%20Grand%20Am.htm)

[Vtolds]

That kit doesnt make enough HP to hurt that trans it can easily take 300 hp which is about the horsepower and fully modded 3400 would make.

[flalero]

I'm sure it would hurt the trans, eventually, and possibly the motor. Just ask Springs about boost hurting your motor.

[Vtolds]

Depends how hard you beat your car for everyday driving some racing it shouldnt do anything to your engine or trans.

[flalero]

Hell, my trans already has problems, and I barely have any mods. I just drive the crap out of my car.

[Vtolds]

MY car has 74,000 miles and I beat the living poop out of it and I have no problem, I guess it is the luck of the draw.

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by VTOLDS@Dec 7 2004, 08:40 AM
That kit doesnt make enough HP to hurt that trans it can easily take 300 hp which is about the horsepower and fully modded 3400 would make.
well considering that is dynoed at 264hp and 284tq at 9psi, it will hurt your tranny, the only guy who i have seen so far lost use of reverse after about 5,000 miles, by the way our max torque tranny rating is the same as our torque from the factory stock, if that doesn't tell you something is wrong.....

[-Alero-]

so you mean to tell me before you buy this turbo kit, you have to buy, a new PCM and a new tranny. and... the only aftermarket transmission for our n-bodies is that bulletproff transmission and thats what 2,500?..........wow over 6,000$ just for a little under 100 hp..

[kwhauck]

you don't have to, i mean there are plenty of strong trannies that have seen high boost numbers such as sc/alero and springs, anyways, i would highly reccomend a reprogram though if you really want to run it right, me personally as my car will have a turbo more for the show than the go i will probably just leave it at a conservative 5psi......besides i won't be able to go to the track when my door handles are shaved anyways.....

[flalero]

4cyl=different tranny than mine. You don't necessarily have to buy a bulletproof tranny. There are many different trannies available, I would personally go with one from a GAGT. I also believe that the PCM reprogram is offered as an option with the turbo kit.

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by flalero@Dec 7 2004, 03:38 PM
4cyl=different tranny than mine. You don't necessarily have to buy a bulletproof tranny. There are many different trannies available, I would personally go with one from a GAGT. I also believe that the PCM reprogram is offered as an option with the turbo kit.
the one gagt guy was saying to wait becuase Turbocharged Power and DHP is having a big dispute over the whole pcm reprogramming so unless you have a custom tuner near you your poop out of luck at the moment.....

[vimjah]

it is possible... a GAGT guy just did it

http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/showthread....light=3800+swap (http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44790&highlight=3800+swap)

http://www.newfinish.com/grandam.htm

[bnight04]

well how do u dress up your trans to handle it then???

[Sno]

those big holes in the front bumper are horrible, he should get some chrome mesh to fix that up :thumbsup:

[FormulaNERD]

Originally posted by Arsonalero@Dec 6 2004, 11:33 PM
i was just looking at the S/C 3800 and was wondering how much of a pain would it be to swap it out for our 3400 or is it even possible??
well there's your answer. it is possible, and takes ~250 hours.

pretty sweet.

http://www.newfinish.com/grandam%20files/6.jpg

[vimjah]

Originally posted by bnight04@Dec 16 2004, 02:54 PM
well how do u dress up your trans to handle it then???
put a dress on it and a bow on the top :D

you use the trans from the GP you get the engine from :thumbsup:

[mike2002]

Originally posted by FormulaNERD+Dec 16 2004, 07:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FormulaNERD @ Dec 16 2004, 07:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Arsonalero@Dec 6 2004, 11:33 PM
i was just looking at the S/C 3800 and was wondering how much of a pain would it be to swap it out for our 3400 or is it even possible??
well there's your answer. it is possible, and takes ~250 hours.

pretty sweet.

http://www.newfinish.com/grandam%20files/6.jpg [/b][/quote]
yeah, and it still doesn't run

[FormulaNERD]

he's just waiting on DHP. no car will run w/o a PCM

[FormulaNERD]

it runs, but the gauge cluster wasnt working, so now he's just waiting on DHP. no newer car will run w/o a PCM.

[00AleroV6]

so basicly a v6 alero can't handle any power as ls1 engine's handle even with the turbo?

[SilverBullet256]

i v-6 alero can handle alot of power, we have s/c alero and springs fastest alero to vouche for that, they can handle alot, but its just easier to get more power to start with a bigger engine :thumbsup:

[00AleroV6]

Do they have any small block engine's to fit in an alero body?

[Youngblood77]

If you have enough cash and time on your hands, you can retro fit just about anything in an Alero. Personally, I'd love to see a rear-drive smallblock retro-fitted in along with an independant rear suspension, but i'm not gonna hold my breath for that to happen. :lol:

Has anyone researched swapping in one of the front drive Olds V8s? That would make a sweet finished product IMO. " All-Olds Power " :thumbsup:

[mike2002]

he posts on l67swap.com, there's more problems than the gauge cluster last i heard, but that was about a month or so ago, shifting problems or somthing

[SilverBullet256]

the northstar front wheel drive v-8 has been done in an alero, ive seen pics on here before, just search for it :thumbsup:

[FormulaNERD]

Originally posted by SilverBullet256@Dec 18 2004, 06:37 PM
the northstar front wheel drive v-8 has been done in an alero, ive seen pics on here before, just search for it :thumbsup:
the northstar has been done, but that's a cadillac engine, if you would have read his post, you would see that he said all olds power.

[SilverBullet256]

well you if the northstar has been done, then im sure they could get a v-8 from an aurora and have it fit

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by flalero@Dec 7 2004, 09:22 AM
I'm sure it would hurt the trans, eventually, and possibly the motor. Just ask Springs about boost hurting your motor.
ask away... I never hurt my motor on boost

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by FormulaNERD@Dec 18 2004, 05:40 PM

the northstar has been done, but that's a cadillac engine, if you would have read his post, you would see that he said all olds power.
oldsmobile had a major influence on the the design of the northstar.
much of its stuff was taken from the quad 4

many gm brands co-op on stuff
and for quite a while now all gm's engines have been whored to each division
caddy just happens to be the one with the right price tag to push the northstar