Apoc/ Whipple Supercharger Kit

[springs fastest alero]

Well as some of you may know APOc is working on a supercharger kit.
project cost is 4,000-4,500 for the basic kit
upgrades will be available

the kit will have everything (hopfully even a computer tune) needed to install it
the project is well underway.
well with that said here are pix of the kit

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more pictures to come soon

[AleroSS]

any idea as to what sorta gains one can expect from this S/C? Which engine is this designed for?

[Molson]

woowoo twin screw

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by AleroSS@Dec 11 2003, 01:40 AM
any idea as to what sorta gains one can expect from this S/C? Which engine is this designed for?
260-280 form the base kit
the sc will be capable of way more though
this one will be designed for the 3400
but if respons is good and someone commits i'll build one for the 2.4 and or eco

[Oldsman]

very nice. good luck with it, john. will you offer a intercooler or aftercooler, which ever it is.

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by Oldsman@Dec 10 2003, 09:11 PM
very nice. good luck with it, john. will you offer a intercooler or aftercooler, which ever it is.
its a possibillity

[Watch4MyBu]

I am hoping it will work on the 3100 as well

[Alerosince99]

Nice John! I was wondering when you would post it over here.

What will all be included for those nuts enough to go with the upgrade kit?

[johny_boy32]

no kidding...2.4 gets screwed again.

[jturkey69]

keep us posted john, looks like eploited racing has backed out making turbo kits for the 3400, so now im back to square one with finding boost set-up

[Skiboarder311]

did u start installin it yet???

any pics of the beginnings of teh installation

[Ribbie]

no kidding...2.4 gets screwed again.

You should check out J-body.org for a turbo kit for the 2.4L

There are many 2.4 turbo'ed on that site!!! And a few companies have made complete kits for them as well. Intercoolers, piping everything.

Cheers

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[johny_boy32]

thanks ribbie

[sgdalero]

Finaly!! A supercharger!!!!. I'll start saving now!!!!

[99ALERO]

Originally posted by sgdalero@Dec 15 2003, 09:46 PM
Finaly!! A supercharger!!!!. I'll start saving now!!!!
Supercharger kit has been out a while from RSM Racing. Springs better be cheaper! LOL

Are those the gains from a stock engine? what would you suggest having done before getting the kit?

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by Watch4MyBu@Dec 10 2003, 09:36 PM
I am hoping it will work on the 3100 as well
maybe
we want it to fit different models but its designed for late model n-bodies

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by Alerosince99@Dec 11 2003, 05:31 AM
Nice John! I was wondering when you would post it over here.

What will all be included for those nuts enough to go with the upgrade kit?
not sure of a kit but pullies, fuel system, intercooler, custom computer, stuff like this will be offered as upgrades

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by Skiboarder311@Dec 12 2003, 03:19 PM
did u start installin it yet???

any pics of the beginnings of teh installation
Install is a few months out
first we have to have a longer drive shaft made
then mounts for it
then the inlet and outlet.
after all that is complete install begins
at that time the kit will only be a few weeks away from completion. except for computer tune.
kits will be built to order most likely with what ever they decide to include in the kit.
installation will be available.
but I may produce only limited numbers of these kits.
that is all things to be thought of
first we have to get the kit completed

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by johny_boy32@Dec 11 2003, 07:23 AM
no kidding...2.4 gets screwed again.
there are many parts out for the 2.4L
however if reaction is good enough a kit could be produced.
but with the power I crave I doubt a stock 2.4 would hold it

[evilinside09]

you'd be surprised. the head would have to be replaced but the block is rather stout and surprisingly strong. as for turbo-aspirated boost, unless you have a manual, controlling the spooling of the turbo will be quite difficult. for a while, i was thinking of going with a turbo since so many j-bod guys had done it, it would be easy to get opinions on different kits. but i would have to convert to a 5 speed, which is a lot of work. to change direction, what does the 3400 reaction have to do with the 2.4? you have to figure that the reaction is going to be minimal no matter what you do, with people saving up for it. there isn't going to be a massive rush to get it like with OSV emblems or indiglo gauges. this is a serious chunk of change, one that will take many people a year or more to save up for, if the saving for a super/turbo kit hasn't already begun. what may be a good idea is seeing how many j-bod parts are interchangable with n-bod parts and attempt to spread awareness to the j-bod community as well. the 2.4 community is arguably larger and more performance oriented, especially when j-bods are taken into consideration. i would love a supercharger kit. especially if that supercharger was a twin screw whipple.

[springs fastest alero]

well
if I don't recover costs in the 3400 kit I'm not going to go further in the hole to make a kit for the 2.4L.
and there are more 3400/3100 n-bodies than 2.4L n-bodies.
yes it may fit the J-body but there are allready at least 3 turbo kits and 2 supercharger kits for the 2.4L
there isint as much compitition for the 3400 sc kit.
but tell ya what
get 5 people interested and I'll figure out the costs the best I can
you front the cash I"ll install for free but I need your car throught the process to mold parts to.
so living close to colorado springs would prolly be a good thing.

but the reason I doubt it will hold my kind of power is because I push further than most ever would
I was running 10 psi on my stock 3400.
and the 3400 has seen as much as 15 on stock internals

[j{}n]

i'm interested in one for the 2.4. let me know what the cost would be, i'll start saving

[springs fastest alero]

prolly 4,000 or less but I would need a car to build it to

[Redog]

Woo hoo. Cool supercharger. I'm getting it, but I have to hit the Lottery first. :wah:

[aLeRogrL21]

Ooooooooooh, supercharger...jealous. Let me know when it's done and the results you have. I WANT!

[jturkey69]

i will be boosted in late feb, or in march....but it will be turbo :thumbsup:

[springs fastest alero]

anyone intrested the above parts are available for 1900.
building a kit will be to hard to compete since shipple raised their prices:(
the head unit alone now goes for 1900

[wy3134]

Do any places out there produce a S/C kit for the ecotec? I would love to start saving now if it does exist.....is an upgrade to the tranny an essential with an automatic? (stupid question but just wanna know what might be needed to be done if I do get a S/C in the future)

[King Asoka]

does this mean no S/C..................

[Alerosince99]

Yep. For the money I think I would look at HP's turbo. 300 whp can be down with that.

[King Asoka]

thats dam respectable!

[Alerosince99]

I should say you can do 225 and the tranny should, I stress should, hold up and that would be about about 5#s. Its been bumped to 9#s and he was at about 284 tq and 268hp or something like that. @ 12 #s he should be over 300 for both tq and hp. But anything over 5#s and a new performance tranny will be needed and that will run about 3 grand.

[King Asoka]

well that salot of cash to get 300hp.......i think ill buy i different car before i sink that much cash into the alero.....

[wy3134]

Think of it this way, unless you bought the alero new off the lot, I highly doubt you paid more than $12,000..... throw a performance tranny and the S/C on there and you can be about about $23,000 installed (if having a professional install and all)... which gets you around 300hp in a unique car to whereas u could have saved maybe $1000 or so for a new baseline mustang, ill keep my alero personally....my 2 cents..... (maybe my prices are high, but i threw down about $11,500 after all expenses for my 02 alero last June with 25,000 miles on it)

[King Asoka]

yea i got my alero for a song and a dance, but its still alot of cash and for me its even more cause I live in Canada and the prices are all in US funds. Im not saying i wouldnt do it if i had the money, all im saying is that its alot of money for those types of gains......

[wy3134]

Ahh my bad, yea I agree thats a lot for 160hp gain, .........haha cant wait till this summer and add some stuff to my car, gonna be a sleeper

no race stories, or references please

[Alerosince99]

The performance tranny should be able to handle more than 300 which alows you room to boost higher. But then again you would probably need to upgrade some engine pieces then. lol

Either way if you want a fast car you are gonna have to pay for it. It just becomes your choice of whether you want to pay for it in your loan or pay for it after.

[wy3134]

Yea....my thing with getting any kit like this is just go ahead and save some money and get the best kit, that way u dont end up spending more down the road to upgrade the kit, and perhaps you can then focus like you said on upgrading engine parts sooner....my 2 cents....

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by wy3134@Feb 25 2004, 12:16 PM
Do any places out there produce a S/C kit for the ecotec? I would love to start saving now if it does exist.....is an upgrade to the tranny an essential with an automatic? (stupid question but just wanna know what might be needed to be done if I do get a S/C in the future)
gm makes one for the saturn ion redline

[Fast Eddie]

Originally posted by wy3134@Feb 25 2004, 03:08 PM
Think of it this way, unless you bought the alero new off the lot, I highly doubt you paid more than $12,000..... throw a performance tranny and the S/C on there and you can be about about $23,000 installed (if having a professional install and all)... which gets you around 300hp in a unique car to whereas u could have saved maybe $1000 or so for a new baseline mustang, ill keep my alero personally....my 2 cents..... (maybe my prices are high, but i threw down about $11,500 after all expenses for my 02 alero last June with 25,000 miles on it)
Damn, 23K for 300 HP?

I love my alero but look at this S-13 chasis 2G, sr20det 3G, controller 2G, bigger turbo 2g, misc parts 1G and for less than 10G you have well over 300whp in a lighter, RWD car; And my prices are high.

how 'bout a 1g DSM TSi say 5G, same mods as above and for <15G you are looking at 300+ HP in AWD, but watch those axles :pissed:

See how, if you got the know how, the alero is just not a tuner car? Don't get me wrong I love John's car, riden in it and it's sweet, but to be really comptitive 1. you have to spend a ton on the alero 2. move to a different platform.

I plan to have a respectable ride, will beat most stock 3.4 but for my major jollies I have a couple of other rides :pimp:

[springs fastest alero]

are we talking 300hp wheels or crank
300 crank is cake
300wheels can be had but my car wasent feeling it on the dyno
wouldnt even give the 300 torque
layed 299.4 ft/lbs at the wheels
not even enough to round up :(
the alero just became cheaper to mod
bunny the auto, I'm going manual and you know for less than the domestic performance trans would cost
granted I do my own work but still
I have less in my alero than a TA would cost me (payment and ins) and I havent been beat by one at the track (bad driver factor included)

[Fast Eddie]

300WHP is cake. I've seen twice that, AWHP, for less than 20G. Doing all the work yourself is the biggest way to make a project affordable.

Are you talking about a late model TA or an older one? I assume a late model, since the older ones are cheaper, a few grand depending on condition, and easier to mod with a HUGE number of parts readily available.

I think given your altitude, you can round up, its OK :pimp:

[wy3134]

Eh maybe my prices were high, but thats assuming you have no knowledge other than how to drive (no offense but thats all that some people do have)....I myself will not touch my car on mods other than easy stuff like adding lights or maybe a CAI... of course my car is still under limited warranty and full powertrain warranty...so I am held back on what I wanna do...and yes I know most say bunny the warranty crap, but my luck would be I do one mod and the car will go kerplunk or get in another wreck from some stupid girl not paying attention to what shes doing. I would love to work on the engine, tranny, etc. myself but for now plan to leave it up to someone who can do it faster and know exactly what they are doing...hopefully in the future when I have more time to learn this stuff those prices wont be even in my mind....

[brim]

still curious as to any progress or application so far

[springs fastest alero]

well I'm still developing this kit.
I've thrown arround some production cost and have some different ideas.
honestly I want to handle as little money as possible on this.
my current idea is to have you buy head units directly from whipple or another supplier and I get the parts made to fit the kit to the car.
right now I have some people looking at the shaft.
one shaft is $700-900 additional shafts are 300-400 if we get 5 or more.

that averages out to about 425 per shaft if 6 are purchased to cover R&D cost.
may be a little more may be less depending on materials used.

so basically I'm asking would you rather pay a deposit for a complete kit or buy piece at a time as they are produced?

also the first kits would be sold at my cost of materials because those people would be helping get the kits made.

[jabartram]

When the kit is complete, and been fully tested for dependability I'll purchase one

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by jabartram@Jul 30 2004, 08:49 PM
When the kit is complete, and been fully tested for dependability I'll purchase one
actually looking at 2 kits
a 1600cc for modded cars wanting tons of power
and a 1200cc for more of the stock side of things

[majicmike954]

I would be really interested in a 3400 s/c as would everyone else, but...... the problem is not finding one, the problem is finding one under $3,500.

[springs fastest alero]

due to small production numbers and customization available my kit would not be less than 3500. the raw head unit is about $1600 alone

[jturkey69]

guess theres only gonna one kit then...yours

[majicmike954]

TRUE DAT

[springs fastest alero]

that could very well be true. not too many people are afte rmy hp goals either so having a sc of that size is pointless.
now the 1200 could see production
if its non intercooled and whipple doesnt raise their prices making it for less than 3500 may be possible