Exhaust

[Redog]

OK I have the headers and cat from S&S and will be putting them on with RSM heads in Feb.

Right now I have a random tech cat and 2.5 inch pipes from the rear wheels back. The cat and down pipe of the headers is 2.5 inch as well.

The question is how much will it run me to replace the pipe from the cat to about around the rear wheels, this is this the stock pipe and res.

Also, if I take out the res, will my car sound rice? I have one of those chrome plated rice mufflers. Should I just replace it with a Flowmaster 40, 50 or 80?

[Redog]

Here is my set up. I was thinking of dual flows but I like the tips and the setup I have already


http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/462000-462999/462198_74.jpg

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[FormulaNERD]

it'd say go with flowmaster, slp, or borla.... in that order IMO, you could probably have those tips put on any of those, if your current muffler has 2.5 outlets.

[Redog]

Yeah right now everything from the rear wheels back are 2.5

What about the resanator pipe?

[FormulaNERD]

i'd get rid of it... especially if you got a new muffler. i have the 3.4 with no rez and flowmaster... sounds nice.

i'd ask for an audio clip from someone that left the rez on.

today at work a v-6 camaro drove by with exhaust, and this guy i work with was like dude, your "little oldsmobile" sounds better than that. hehe

[smokinAMD]

I'd seriously look into the SLP, it offers all of what you are looking for without sounding ricey. And is probably cheaper in the long run then doing the custom flowmaster setup.

[-Alero-]

could i just go to a muffler/exhaust shop and have them cut out my resinator? do they hollow it out or cut it out and replace it with piping? j/w

[FormulaNERD]

they'll replace it with another piece of pipe... it'll probably cost 30 bucks for them to do it though.

[Redog]

Originally posted by smokinAMD@Oct 26 2004, 08:24 PM
I'd seriously look into the SLP, it offers all of what you are looking for without sounding ricey. And is probably cheaper in the long run then doing the custom flowmaster setup.
All I need is to have the muffler that I have right now cut out and a new one welded in it's place, and get rid of that entire pipe and the res

[Redog]

I found the Flowmaster the will fit my set up

There are 2. I might get the $50 one, I really don't need the finish since it's mounted up high anyway. And the muffler lenght will fit perfectly :thumbsup:

Flowmaster 40 Delta Flow part numer 9425400

single in 2.5 dual out 2.5 each B)

summit racing (http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=esearch.asp&N=110&Ntk=KeywordSearch&Ntt=flowmaster+9425400)

[FormulaNERD]

looks good dude, that'd be my choice.

[jabartram]

you wont like the sound of the delta flow. way to quiet! my friend put one on his truck and hates the sound, get regular 40 series, i have custom exhaust from cat all the back 2.5" with a 40 series my car sounds(quote from many different people) wicked !

and i'll be adding a second 40 series when i get body kitted!

[FormulaNERD]

Originally posted by jabartram@Oct 27 2004, 01:57 AM
you wont like the sound of the delta flow. way to quiet! my friend put one on his truck and hates the sound, get regular 40 series, i have custom exhaust from cat all the back 2.5" with a 40 series my car sounds(quote from many different people) wicked !

and i'll be adding a second 40 series when i get body kitted!
the delta flow cuts down on interior noise, and still sounds DECENT at high rpm. i myself have the non-delta, and though the interior noise gets annoying at some rpms, the pro's still outweigh the cons.

[FormulaNERD]

Originally posted by jabartram@Oct 27 2004, 01:57 AM
and i'll be adding a second 40 series when i get body kitted!
why 2 40's?

[jabartram]

i want my left side exhaust redone, and i'm just gonna have them "y" it for the dual look. didn't want to do dual with the stock bumper.



I love the sound of my car

" hey are running a V8 in that thing"

[Redog]

^^ Yeah I was thinking about doing dual 40's but I like my setup and don't wanna spend the money to change it out

Delta is the only model with what I want?

I'll look again

[Redog]

Looked at all of the Flowmaster mufflers and the Delta Flow is the only one that has singal in dual out that is the same size.

[Youngblood77]

I dunno Ken, but if you come up with something that offers a performance benefit that also bolts right on, let me know.....I was quoted $400.00 for a custom made set-up including a 40 @ a local shop. Keep in mind that that's with aluminized steel, not stainless, and it's NOT mandrel bent. Dollar for dollar, I'm just gonna go with an SLP this Spring. Not only is it stainless, but it was designed for our vehicle, and that's GOTTA say something for performance and fit/finish. Not to mention it's cheaper, even after shipping.

[jabartram]

i got my exhaust done for 275.00, i live 2 blocks from the gulf of mexico and have no problem with rust, and mandrel bending is not going to make that much difference. i also looked into the SLP, but cost, sound, performance wise, i made the right choice for me?

[Redog]

Originally posted by Youngblood77@Oct 26 2004, 10:46 PM
I dunno Ken, but if you come up with something that offers a performance benefit that also bolts right on, let me know.....I was quoted $400.00 for a custom made set-up including a 40 @ a local shop. Keep in mind that that's with aluminized steel, not stainless, and it's NOT mandrel bent. Dollar for dollar, I'm just gonna go with an SLP this Spring. Not only is it stainless, but it was designed for our vehicle, and that's GOTTA say something for performance and fit/finish. Not to mention it's cheaper, even after shipping.
The main thing I'm looking at here is getting the most out of my headers and heads after I have them installed. This is basicly just a swap out for me.

I will need to take out the stock pipe from the cat to the rear wheels which houses the resnantor. I know this is I get most of my deep sound, plus the sound has been getting more faint lately. I do want to take out the res an get the rice sound from the rice muffler that I have.

I looked at the regular 40's the 50's for car and SUV 60's 70's and 80's. I did buy the regulaer 40 but it was a 3" in and dual 2.5 outs and wouldn't work out. I also looked at the V6 Camaro/TA muffler and but I'd have to change the set-up all around.

[-Alero-]

hate to ruin the thread but i had another question. what is so great about getting new mandrel bent pipes from the cat-back to the muffler? why not just cut out the resinator, and get a better muffler? i may not know this but im assume why everyone gets new pipes, is to get a bigger diameter, am i right? or wrong? if so does this make any difference at all?

[smokinAMD]

Originally posted by Alero-@Oct 27 2004, 11:30 AM
hate to ruin the thread but i had another question. what is so great about getting new mandrel bent pipes from the cat-back to the muffler? why not just cut out the resinator, and get a better muffler? i may not know this but im assume why everyone gets new pipes, is to get a bigger diameter, am i right? or wrong? if so does this make any difference at all?
Mandrel bent means no kinks that disturb airflow.

[Redog]

I've been looking over Flowmaster's web site a lot over the past few days now and I'm at a stand still.

The Delta Flow 40 is a dircet swap, it's a bit quieter than an orginal 40 but claims more torque.

The 80 isn't a dircet replacement but I would just lose a bunch of twisting pipe in the back. It will be set up like a Camaro.

According to Flowmaster a Delta 40 has a slight "Powerful" sound outside and a slight "Deep" sound inside. The 40 is a lot more "Powerful" in both ranges.

Now the 80 tops out in "Agressive" for both in and out. If I put the 80 on what am I looking at sound wise. Will the car be loud enough to get hasseled by the cops? Will it be loud enough to get me kicked out of the track with a noise restriction? Will I lose Torque and HP with this kind of muffler. Right now I have a straight thru fiberglass one.

What would price be to cut all that crap out and pop in the 80? The pipes are there, and I like the tips I have :thumbsup:

[Aleromaster]

Well I just got an all new setup in 2.5" piping and flowmaster 40 and it cost me $260 with tip and the tip cost $50 and I paid $110 for the muffler. The pipes arnet mandral bent but there are no kinks in the pipe. Every one at the dealership likes the sound

[-Alero-]

i dont think i know any muffler shops that will mandrel bend steel pipes for me..... anyone got any suggestions

[FormulaNERD]

someone recently ordered the piping only from SLP (already bent), wasnt too costly.

[Aleromaster]

hey like I said mines not mandrel bent but you cant tell the differance even looked at them physicaly and the way my shop did them you cant tell

[Redog]

Originally posted by FormulaNERD@Oct 27 2004, 09:44 PM
someone recently ordered the piping only from SLP (already bent), wasnt too costly.
Really? Interseting

Got a web address?

[mike2002]

if you were planning on doing headers, high flow cat, wouldn't you want the delta 40? do they have flow charts? if its so quiet, how well does it flow? they've also got somthing calledsuper flow 40, which is supposesd to be quiet like the delta, but free-er flowing....

oh, and what size muffler/type do we need? 2.5"in, dual 2.25 out.....what else?

i want to do exhaust this year, but eventually get s&s headers (tax season), if the 40 sounds great, id think it would get much louder with headers and hf cat....and cai.


OFF OF GRANDAMGT.COM

"From IanGT99..... SLP's number is (732) 349-2109. Then dial in extension 104. That will take you to a guy named Art Fadde. He'll take your credit card number and your shipping address and send you the two pipes you need. Ask for the 2.5" stainless steel intermediated pipe and the transaxle pipe. That will be $180 shipped. Then you can go to http://www.exhaustproslinc.com/mag5x8camste.html. That's the 2.5" in/dual 2.25" out crossflow stainless steel Camaro/Firebird style muffler that you'll need (part number 14266). That will probably run you $110-120 depending on shipping costs. You can then get any tips that you want."

[-Alero-]

Originally posted by Aleromaster@Oct 27 2004, 11:58 PM
hey like I said mines not mandrel bent but you cant tell the differance even looked at them physicaly and the way my shop did them you cant tell
wait so there is no performance difference between stock pipes and mandrel bent?

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by mike2002@Oct 28 2004, 10:33 AM
"From IanGT99..... SLP's number is (732) 349-2109. Then dial in extension 104. That will take you to a guy named Art Fadde. He'll take your credit card number and your shipping address and send you the two pipes you need. Ask for the 2.5" stainless steel intermediated pipe and the transaxle pipe. That will be $180 shipped.
that is what i did, got the pipes in like 8 days....then i welded on my exhaust i had purchased earlier.....the whole setup only cost me $250....

[Seire]

Originally posted by 99Alero_Boy+Oct 28 2004, 05:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (99Alero_Boy @ Oct 28 2004, 05:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-mike2002@Oct 28 2004, 10:33 AM
"From IanGT99..... SLP's number is (732) 349-2109. Then dial in extension 104. That will take you to a guy named Art Fadde. He'll take your credit card number and your shipping address and send you the two pipes you need. Ask for the 2.5" stainless steel intermediated pipe and the transaxle pipe. That will be $180 shipped.
that is what i did, got the pipes in like 8 days....then i welded on my exhaust i had purchased earlier.....the whole setup only cost me $250.... [/b][/quote]
So basically, this is the piping without the muffler?

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by Seire+Oct 28 2004, 03:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Seire @ Oct 28 2004, 03:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by 99Alero_Boy@Oct 28 2004, 05:23 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-mike2002@Oct 28 2004, 10:33 AM
"From IanGT99..... SLP's number is (732) 349-2109. Then dial in extension 104. That will take you to a guy named Art Fadde. He'll take your credit card number and your shipping address and send you the two pipes you need. Ask for the 2.5" stainless steel intermediated pipe and the transaxle pipe. That will be $180 shipped.
that is what i did, got the pipes in like 8 days....then i welded on my exhaust i had purchased earlier.....the whole setup only cost me $250....
So basically, this is the piping without the muffler? [/b][/quote]
yup....oh and here is a good pic of the piping before it went on the car...that is what you will get for 180 shipped, well minus my muffler obviously

[Redog]

That's cool.

A 2.5 inch pipe without the custom made price. thnaks guys :thumbsup:

[Seire]

So this isn't for the crossflow mufflers? I I don't see any piping for faux dual exhaust. ;)

[SilverBullet256]

i have a flowmaster 80 with dual outlet, but i dont like the setup, the bastard that did it got the wrong muffler, he got the one with the outlets both on the same side, so the right side goes straight out the back but the other side has a pipe that curves back around, over the inlet pipe then out the back, it probably does worse than the stock setup, but it still sounds good, im gonna get a new flowmaster 80, with an outlet on each side, and then have them reinstall it and do all new piping... it only cost me 200 for parts and labor last time so hopefully i can get the muffler myself and then just have them install it for about the same price with the new piping :smokin:

[FormulaNERD]

i dont know of any alero's with faux dual exhaust, just a dual outlet muffler.

[Seire]

Originally posted by FormulaNERD@Oct 28 2004, 10:52 PM
i dont know of any alero's with faux dual exhaust, just a dual outlet muffler.
Same difference.

[FormulaNERD]

not the same difference. at least not to me, faux dual exhaust would consist of 2 mufflers, and if you wanted, 2 cats, and a y-pipe after the flex or cat, whichever you chose, like this aurora with 2 flowmaster 40's.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/256000-256999/256736_7_full.jpg

[-Alero-]

well i put on a flowmaster muffler and thats all i basically did with my exhaust. i was wondering, if i ordered the piping from SLP, is there any way i could save my flowmaster from being scraped? im pretty confident the muffler shop didnt weld a complete bead around the whole inlet.

[FormulaNERD]

they should be able to cut it off and add it to the SLP pipe w/ no problems.

[-Alero-]

ok.....so do i order the pipes from APOC? and do i just ask for "can i get the SLP pipes?" and how much did this cost again?

[FormulaNERD]

Originally posted by Alero-+Oct 29 2004, 02:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (-Alero- @ Oct 29 2004, 02:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ok.....so do i order the pipes from APOC? and do i just ask for "can i get the SLP pipes?" and how much did this cost again? [/b]
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OFF OF GRANDAMGT.COM

"From IanGT99..... SLP's number is (732) 349-2109. Then dial in extension 104. That will take you to a guy named Art Fadde. He'll take your credit card number and your shipping address and send you the two pipes you need. Ask for the 2.5" stainless steel intermediated pipe and the transaxle pipe. That will be $180 shipped.
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[-Alero-]

hmmm.... can you notice a exhaust flow difference between the 2.5 slp pipes and the stock pipes?

[-Alero-]

also, is a flowmaster 60 series muffler better than the SLP muffler?

[smokinAMD]

Originally posted by Alero-@Oct 28 2004, 11:48 PM
hmmm.... can you notice a exhaust flow difference between the 2.5 slp pipes and the stock pipes?
Uh, yeah?

[-Alero-]

:rolleyes: i should of known that

[Redog]

Originally posted by SilverBullet256@Oct 28 2004, 06:52 PM
i have a flowmaster 80 with dual outlet, but i dont like the setup, the bastard that did it got the wrong muffler, he got the one with the outlets both on the same side, so the right side goes straight out the back but the other side has a pipe that curves back around, over the inlet pipe then out the back, it probably does worse than the stock setup, but it still sounds good, im gonna get a new flowmaster 80, with an outlet on each side, and then have them reinstall it and do all new piping... it only cost me 200 for parts and labor last time so hopefully i can get the muffler myself and then just have them install it for about the same price with the new piping :smokin:
That is the exactly the way my muffler is set up right now. I've been debating on just getting the muffler cut out and replace with a Delta Flow 40 or redo it with an 80 like you want to get

Do you think it will be too loud to do an 80 like that with the slp pipes? I don't wanna get kicked out of the track.

Do you think I can save on shipping and pick up the pipes myself? That Area Code is somewhere in eastern central New Jersey. The track I run at is in the 732 area :thumbsup:

[FormulaNERD]

what kind of track do you race on?

any drag strip i've ever been to has always been about speed and noise, the roar of a big block with headers piped straight up the hood, and 20 alarms going off from the spectaters cars in the lot. ??

but no, a v6 with an 80 series isnt even loud enough to get pulled over. unless there is some dickhead cop lookin for a reason to pull someone over, but we have those everywhere.

[kddanger]

who ever had the picture of the faux dual exhaust, any more info on the setup? It looks sick

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by kddanger@Oct 29 2004, 01:55 PM
who ever had the picture of the faux dual exhaust, any more info on the setup? It looks sick
that is an aurora, not an alero, unless you want a y pipe, below your axle and gas tank that setup is not feasible on our cars

[Redog]

Originally posted by FormulaNERD@Oct 29 2004, 11:17 AM
what kind of track do you race on?

any drag strip i've ever been to has always been about speed and noise, the roar of a big block with headers piped straight up the hood, and 20 alarms going off from the spectaters cars in the lot. ??

but no, a v6 with an 80 series isnt even loud enough to get pulled over. unless there is some dickhead cop lookin for a reason to pull someone over, but we have those everywhere.
The Track I race on is falling subject to the New Jersey Nosie Contorl act of 1971, but the track was built in 1965 which predates that :rolleyes:

The resdience around the track have been tring to shut the place down since the 80's. They have noise restrections with a limit of 93 dbs

[FormulaNERD]

ahh i see, that sucks bro.

[SilverBullet256]

ive got the 80 series and its not extremely loud, its loud but not loud enough to cause anyone problems, i love the sound but the setup is way too restrictive so im gonn have it redone anyway :thumbsup:

[Redog]

I was just talking to my mech and he said get the 80, don't even bother getting the 40 :thumbsup:

[-Alero-]

well i have the 60 series. is that bad? cause you guys dont even mention anything about the 60 series :rolleyes:

[Redog]

60 is knida quiet, it still flows pretty good.

Look at Flowmaster's web site and you'll get an idea of all the mufflers and sound types.

Flowmaster Mufflers (http://www.flowmastermufflers.com)