3400 Horsepower

[jabartram]

The deal is, My stocks are doing really well, the money i'm putting away is adding up fast, my home equity loan will pay off my car and other things and i'm going to buy all my performance stuff at one time, including,
RSM Supercharger
Ported heads
Ported upper and lower manifold
headers
ported throttle body 62mm
62mm MAF
MSD DIS ignition.

now my question is what kind of h/p will a stock tranny handle? i'm only going to to do the 8psi of boost to start, but may upgrade to 10 or 12 when this project is complete, I don't want to do this and then melt a tranny?

can anybody give any true h/p estimates on this setup?

and i wonder if RSM will give me any sort of discount when i purchase all this in one order?

[Blackrider]

It all depends on how you treat your tranny, a blown GA with 8lbs of boost will be alright if you are nice to it. the more power you add the less life you'll get out of it.

A tranny cooler is a must also Synthetic fluid would be a good idea.

upgraded clutch packs would be something to look into in the future.

[Vtolds]

The Trans will take quite a bit but, with what you ahve going to it I would say your gonna make like 300 hp or so you may wanna look into just getting a new tranny or finding products to beef yours up.

[overdrive75]

Originally posted by Blackrider@Oct 25 2004, 02:17 AM
It all depends on how you treat your tranny, a blown GA with 8lbs of boost will be alright if you are nice to it. the more power you add the less life you'll get out of it.

A tranny cooler is a must also Synthetic fluid would be a good idea.

upgraded clutch packs would be something to look into in the future.
Trans cooler good, synthetic fluid not so good. Stick with the recomended fluid as the recomended fluid has the proper friction modifiers to work properly with the clutches in the transmission.

[jabartram]

the thing is, i drive hard, so i figure i'm gonna eat a tranny fast, but then again i don't drag race (no place to legally do it here) ut i will be racing a cone coarse (scca)?


will i need to worry about cooling sys problems?

[tenny]

dont use synthetic in the tranny, i had that put in my camaro and it was to slippery and caused slipping.

[Redog]

I heard that it is not a good idea to run synthetic in the tranny

I also heard that the tranny will take about 300 hp to break it.

With 8 Psi look looking at about 260 to 300 with that set up

[smokinAMD]

You'll blow the engine before you blow the tranny.

[Alerosince99]

I highly doubt that. The people that are close to that hp aren't having problems with the engine, they are having problems with the tranny.

[smokinAMD]

Originally posted by Alerosince99@Oct 25 2004, 01:02 PM
I highly doubt that. The people that are close to that hp aren't having problems with the engine, they are having problems with the tranny.
Wanna bet? I've never heard of any blown trannies, but I've heard of plenty of blown engines.

[99BLKALERO]

i would upgrade the internals on your tranny also, better safe then sorry.

[Redog]

^^ Yeah but it's hard to find anything to mod the tranny internaly

[99BLKALERO]

true true....I am more into the GP world...and you can upgrade ours. Hmm....well hook it and see what happens. I bet there are alot of aleros in Junkyards..you could get another from there if it happens to break.

[Alerosince99]

Wanna bet? I've never heard of any blown trannies, but I've heard of plenty of blown engines.

Name one person making that hp that blew their engine.

As far as I know there are only a few people even close to that.

Ask springs or SC/Alero or any of the boosted people over on grandamgt.com.

[smokinAMD]

Originally posted by Alerosince99@Oct 25 2004, 03:49 PM
Wanna bet? I've never heard of any blown trannies, but I've heard of plenty of blown engines.

Name one person making that hp that blew their engine.

As far as I know there are only a few people even close to that.

Ask springs or SC/Alero or any of the boosted people over on grandamgt.com.
SpringsfastesAlero. About 2 months ago, he even posted pics of the thrown rod.

[Alerosince99]

Springs was no longer boosted when he blew his engine. He was only on the bottle which IMO is way tougher on the engine especially ifyou are pushing the envelope. For those guys that are boosted (not including nitrous), would, including springsfastest, tell you that they are more concerned about the tranny then the engine.

There is a reason that John is trying to do a manual swap and its not all performance related.

[-Alero-]

yeah the engine can handle 8 psi no problem, but goin past 300 hp to the tranny can break it, a tranny cooler wont exactly prevent it from breaking it just extends the life of your tranny. your piston rods will shoot straight to the floor if you go past 10 psi...... and can put alot of wear on your engine very fast, as well as your tranny. (at 300+ hp)

[sc/alero]

Originally posted by smokinAMD+Oct 25 2004, 12:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (smokinAMD @ Oct 25 2004, 12:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Alerosince99@Oct 25 2004, 01:02 PM
I highly doubt that. The people that are close to that hp aren't having problems with the engine, they are having problems with the tranny.
Wanna bet? I've never heard of any blown trannies, but I've heard of plenty of blown engines. [/b][/quote]
i will step up i blew mine but i am putting 315 to the ground i have a tranny cooler as well it still blew. was not a good thing trust me. :blink: :blink:

[Redog]

I though you were spraying and blew the motor that way

[jabartram]

ok, what in the tranny breaks? can we upgrade it? i'm looking at all options, i don't want to build my car up and soon after blow it up?

[FormulaNERD]

Originally posted by jabartram@Oct 26 2004, 04:33 AM
ok, what in the tranny breaks? can we upgrade it? i'm looking at all options, i don't want to build my car up and soon after blow it up?
get a bulletproof tranny.

$2500, or 2950 w/ the SS torque convertor.

http://www.domesticperformance.com/default...cPath=27_59_240 (http://www.domesticperformance.com/default.php?cPath=27_59_240)

bottom left. theres also a LSD, 600 bucks

[jabartram]

Cool thanx, dam the bill gets big quick.

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by Alerosince99@Oct 25 2004, 05:39 PM
Springs was no longer boosted when he blew his engine. He was only on the bottle which IMO is way tougher on the engine especially ifyou are pushing the envelope. For those guys that are boosted (not including nitrous), would, including springsfastest, tell you that they are more concerned about the tranny then the engine.

There is a reason that John is trying to do a manual swap and its not all performance related.
my car had seen boost for longer than it seen nitrous.
nitrous is not always on like the sc either. both are hard on everything and I can't pin down one reason my engine blew
but it blew at a time when I was not spraying.
I drive my car hard, I push the hp to the limit too.
my trans has received just as much abuse as the engine and NEVER gave me a dimes trouble.

I was actually just as concerned about the engine as I was the trans
I've seen trannies go in this car but I've seen engines too.
people have gotten pretty fast with no tranny problems
others have not been that fortunate.
personally if your going to drop enough to bullit proof the trans and you dont do anything to make the motor handle more, your just asking for it.

I'm going manual for more reasons than one
in order of importance to me they are
1) performance. a manual will give me better use of the power band, has less drive train loss, weighs less and will create faster times than the auto.
2) cost. I'd rather drop cash into a manual than an auto
I can get a well built manual for less than the auto
3) cool factor. how many V6 aleros have a manual in them?
4) proof. someone has to prove it can be done
5)durabillity the manual alone is not much of a step but the parts I'm getting will make it extremely strong

your right its not all performance related but that is the biggest chunk of it.
but I just cant see dumping 3k plus into a slush box to make it possibly withstand my abuse.
even if the manual breaks I can pick up parts all day long cheap.
auto is not cheap to go through

[sheldo79]

how much abuse will it take is a good question

flowmaster
tornado
cai

[msualero]

so what everyone is saying is if u get a supercharger on an engine with headers,cai,exhaust....we will blow our stock tranny? if not that the engine will go? curious cuz i got a better job and was thinkin of dumpin a lil cash into the ho looks like it may end up just gettin look good mods..... and buy a crotchrocket for speed :glare:

[mike2002]

Originally posted by sheldo79@Nov 9 2004, 05:21 PM
how much abuse will it take is a good question

flowmaster
tornado
cai
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well, with that setup your running under 170hp, so yours should last a while

[SilverBullet256]

if you really wanna get gungho then wait till the 6 speed from the g-6 comes ou, it can handle plenty of power and its a 6 speed, and it will bolt right up to the 3400 block, the only problem is you need to do custom tranny mounts and all that, but my oppinion the best one to use is the 6 speed, im personally going for a completely rebuilt 93 getrag 282 with a gear ratio of 3.94, but only for money reasons, otherwise id go for the g-6 tranny

[-Alero-]

Originally posted by SilverBullet256@Aug 2 2005, 06:17 PM
if you really wanna get gungho then wait till the 6 speed from the g-6 comes ou, it can handle plenty of power and its a 6 speed, and it will bolt right up to the 3400 block, the only problem is you need to do custom tranny mounts and all that, but my oppinion the best one to use is the 6 speed, im personally going for a completely rebuilt 93 getrag 282 with a gear ratio of 3.94, but only for money reasons, otherwise id go for the g-6 tranny
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maybe the g6 mounts and the alero manual tranny mounts could possibly help out for a reference or maybe you could possibly use one or two of them

[SilverBullet256]

yeah thats kinda what i was thinking, but since im gonna be going to school at UTI(which is an auto school) i can use all their garages and parts and poop for free, and ill have the teachers to help me out, so im just gonna custom do the mounts myself, but on second thought, there is a napa store on campus and students get everything like 40-50% off, so maybe i can pick up the g-6 tranny for a good price....hmmmmmm......

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by FormulaNERD+Oct 25 2004, 10:39 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(FormulaNERD @ Oct 25 2004, 10:39 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-jabartram@Oct 26 2004, 04:33 AM
ok, what in the tranny breaks? can we upgrade it? i'm looking at all options, i don't want to build my car up and soon after blow it up?
get a bulletproof tranny.

$2500, or 2950 w/ the SS torque convertor.

http://www.domesticperformance.com/default...cPath=27_59_240 (http://www.domesticperformance.com/default.php?cPath=27_59_240)

bottom left. theres also a LSD, 600 bucks
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lot of bad things floating around about these guys on gagt.com, i sure as hell wouldn't buy one from them......

[-Alero-]

Originally posted by SilverBullet256@Aug 2 2005, 07:47 PM
yeah thats kinda what i was thinking, but since im gonna be going to school at UTI(which is an auto school) i can use all their garages and parts and poop for free, and ill have the teachers to help me out, so im just gonna custom do the mounts myself, but on second thought, there is a napa store on campus and students get everything like 40-50% off, so maybe i can pick up the g-6 tranny for a good price....hmmmmmm......
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if you do do this dude, i might be following in your footsteps, so be sure to keep us updated :cool:

[mike2002]

you can already get a g6 6 speed, from saab, they've been using that transmission for a while. it will only be in the g6 GTP, so you wont come across many of those in the junk yard, saab's your best bet

[jabartram]

Originally posted by turbo-alero+Aug 2 2005, 07:29 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(turbo-alero @ Aug 2 2005, 07:29 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by FormulaNERD@Oct 25 2004, 10:39 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-jabartram@Oct 26 2004, 04:33 AM
ok, what in the tranny breaks? can we upgrade it? i'm looking at all options, i don't want to build my car up and soon after blow it up?
get a bulletproof tranny.

$2500, or 2950 w/ the SS torque convertor.

http://www.domesticperformance.com/default...cPath=27_59_240 (http://www.domesticperformance.com/default.php?cPath=27_59_240)

bottom left. theres also a LSD, 600 bucks
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lot of bad things floating around about these guys on gagt.com, i sure as hell wouldn't buy one from them......
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what kind of bad things? i'm fixin to send them a check for iridium plugs?

[SilverBullet256]

well exactly what saab car does it come in then, i looked at all their cars and none of them offer a 6-speed, so idk, i must be really confused or something, anyway if you could tell me what car i would appreciate it

[springs fastest alero]

if you have an eco tec the saab trans will work
from what I'm told the have a different bellhouseing bolt pattarn than the Q4 and 3400

[SilverBullet256]

thats kinda what i was thinking, so im just gonna try to get a new one, or that getrag 282, i dont know which one yet

[-Alero-]

i thoguht it was supposed to be the getrag 287

[SilverBullet256]

both can work but from what i got from the tranny thread that we had, the best one to choose is the 282

[Fast Eddie]

Originally posted by -Alero-@Aug 3 2005, 10:03 PM
i thoguht it was supposed to be the getrag 287
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That is the 00+ tranny. The 282 came in the 88-95 IIRC. with the larger 3.94 FDR in 93 and 94. The 282 was built to back the HO and W41s so It was designed, from the factory, to take more power.

after reading springs reasoning for going manual im kinda confused.
1. An auto is more consistant in drag racing and when tuned correctly will keep you in a power band better than a manual, no user errors.
2. The efficentcy of most modern auto trans is very near that of an manual so there is negligable power loss difference.
3. My understanding was a TQ convertor will take more abuse than a cluth, so they will stand up to more.
4. autos shift faster than manuals and have taller gears so not really losing any time there.

I totally understand you other reasons but maybe somebody could explain these to me.

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by jabartram+Aug 3 2005, 11:56 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jabartram @ Aug 3 2005, 11:56 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by turbo-alero@Aug 2 2005, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by FormulaNERD@Oct 25 2004, 10:39 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-jabartram@Oct 26 2004, 04:33 AM
ok, what in the tranny breaks? can we upgrade it? i'm looking at all options, i don't want to build my car up and soon after blow it up?
get a bulletproof tranny.

$2500, or 2950 w/ the SS torque convertor.

http://www.domesticperformance.com/default...cPath=27_59_240 (http://www.domesticperformance.com/default.php?cPath=27_59_240)

bottom left. theres also a LSD, 600 bucks
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lot of bad things floating around about these guys on gagt.com, i sure as hell wouldn't buy one from them......
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what kind of bad things? i'm fixin to send them a check for iridium plugs?
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a lot of talk of bad customer service as well as some failures already of their "bulletproof" trannies, and they've been known for failures with other car types

[dustyd63]

Originally posted by Fast Eddie+Aug 4 2005, 10:07 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fast Eddie @ Aug 4 2005, 10:07 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin--Alero-@Aug 3 2005, 10:03 PM
i thoguht it was supposed to be the getrag 287
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That is the 00+ tranny. The 282 came in the 88-95 IIRC. with the larger 3.94 FDR in 93 and 94. The 282 was built to back the HO and W41s so It was designed, from the factory, to take more power.

after reading springs reasoning for going manual im kinda confused.
1. An auto is more consistant in drag racing and when tuned correctly will keep you in a power band better than a manual, no user errors.
2. The efficentcy of most modern auto trans is very near that of an manual so there is negligable power loss difference.
3. My understanding was a TQ convertor will take more abuse than a cluth, so they will stand up to more.
4. autos shift faster than manuals and have taller gears so not really losing any time there.

I totally understand you other reasons but maybe somebody could explain these to me.
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I tend to agree. If you're an expert at a manual transmission, you may be able to save a tenth of a second on your 0-60 time, but there is a much higher chance you'll screw the whole thing up with a bad shift.

[jabartram]

Originally posted by turbo-alero+Aug 4 2005, 01:57 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(turbo-alero @ Aug 4 2005, 01:57 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by jabartram@Aug 3 2005, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by turbo-alero@Aug 2 2005, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by FormulaNERD@Oct 25 2004, 10:39 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-jabartram@Oct 26 2004, 04:33 AM
ok, what in the tranny breaks? can we upgrade it? i'm looking at all options, i don't want to build my car up and soon after blow it up?
get a bulletproof tranny.

$2500, or 2950 w/ the SS torque convertor.

http://www.domesticperformance.com/default...cPath=27_59_240 (http://www.domesticperformance.com/default.php?cPath=27_59_240)

bottom left. theres also a LSD, 600 bucks
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lot of bad things floating around about these guys on gagt.com, i sure as hell wouldn't buy one from them......
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what kind of bad things? i'm fixin to send them a check for iridium plugs?
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a lot of talk of bad customer service as well as some failures already of their "bulletproof" trannies, and they've been known for failures with other car types
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are they safe to order from, i'm ordering iridium plugs? but i have to send them a check?

mine came factory with AC Delco/NGK iridiums, but i like the denso's

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by jabartram+Aug 4 2005, 01:17 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jabartram @ Aug 4 2005, 01:17 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Originally posted by turbo-alero@Aug 4 2005, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by jabartram@Aug 3 2005, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by turbo-alero@Aug 2 2005, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by FormulaNERD@Oct 25 2004, 10:39 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-jabartram@Oct 26 2004, 04:33 AM
ok, what in the tranny breaks? can we upgrade it? i'm looking at all options, i don't want to build my car up and soon after blow it up?
get a bulletproof tranny.

$2500, or 2950 w/ the SS torque convertor.

http://www.domesticperformance.com/default...cPath=27_59_240 (http://www.domesticperformance.com/default.php?cPath=27_59_240)

bottom left. theres also a LSD, 600 bucks
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lot of bad things floating around about these guys on gagt.com, i sure as hell wouldn't buy one from them......
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what kind of bad things? i'm fixin to send them a check for iridium plugs?
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a lot of talk of bad customer service as well as some failures already of their "bulletproof" trannies, and they've been known for failures with other car types
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are they safe to order from, i'm ordering iridium plugs? but i have to send them a check?

mine came factory with AC Delco/NGK iridiums, but i like the denso's
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I think you should be fine with ordering the spark plugs. I think their harder core racing stuff is what people have been having problems with. So order away!!! :beerchug:

[jabartram]

^^^^ i'll give it a shot.

[Hotel Kilo]

Has anyone successfully done the manual conversion? I was thinking of going turbo, and was thinking of getting a manual conversion but i didn't know if it was possible. About how much does anyone think it would cost after buying the tranny, corresponding parts, and labor costs?

[jabartram]

^^^^ Springsfastestalero is doing that changeover, and we haven't had any updates on that in a while.

[whitey_alero]

i disagree with the saying that the tranny will hold 300 hp and that the engine will blow before the tranny will...i have a 2004 GL with the 3400 and it is on its 5th tranny and it has 67000 miles and only about 230 pony's...

[Satsuriku]

its 5th tranny and its a 2004????

dude, what the hell do you do to your car to make it go through 5 trannys in 2 damn years??

[jackal2000]

yea for real...wtf

whitey, what mods do you have??

[whitey_alero]

how you ask...manually shifting...after my fourth i talked to some gm reps and they said DO NOT MANUALLY SHIFT and oldsmobile alero unless you have the aftermarket tranny

[Satsuriku]

how you ask...manually shifting...after my fourth i talked to some gm reps and they said DO NOT MANUALLY SHIFT and oldsmobile alero unless you have the aftermarket tranny


even with an aftermarket tranny.....DONT DO IT! lol

[billytheman1188]

lol u think that after your 2nd tranny u might learn that shifting isnt good for the car.......damn,

[shackney]

der der der