I'm debating a swap 2.4 to??

[fisdad]

I know that I can swap in anything I want really. I was first excited about a 3800 supercharged swap, but I hear that's a real nightmare. What makes it such a nightmare, I don't know?

So I'm presenting options and weighing the pros and cons of each. Keep in mind that I currently have a 2.4 so swapping in anything means transmission and motor together.

I could do any of the following.

Colbalt SS turbo 2.4

2.8 or 3.1 v6

3400

3500

3800 supercharged

3900

or the aurora 4.0

The 3800 in my opinion is the most reliable engine that GM has ever built. The 3400's aren't bad either.

To do these swaps, will I need to swap my fuel pump and sending unit?

Will fuel lines need to be swapped?

Will I need to swap the radiator?

How much of the wiring harness needs to swap? Just under the hood? or do I need to pull the dash and replace every inch for the fuse box, ecm ect...

Right now I'm broke, so I'm just brainstorming and collecting information in case I decide to move forward with a swap idea down the road. Regardless, I don't want to spend a huge bucket of money if I do anything. I would buy a used drivetrain and parts just to do the swap.

[03Sleepr]

2.8 or 3.1 v6

3400

3500
3800 supercharged

3900

or the aurora 4.0

The 3800 in my opinion is the most reliable engine that GM has ever built. The 3400's aren't bad either.

To do these swaps, will I need to swap my fuel pump and sending unit?

Will fuel lines need to be swapped?

Will I need to swap the radiator?

How much of the wiring harness needs to swap? Just under the hood? or do I need to pull the dash and replace every inch for the fuse box, ecm ect...

Right now I'm broke, so I'm just brainstorming and collecting information in case I decide to move forward with a swap idea down the road. Regardless, I don't want to spend a huge bucket of money if I do anything. I would buy a used drivetrain and parts just to do the swap.

Any of these swaps will be a nightmare going into a 2.4 car. Duval and I have both swapped 3400's into 2.4 cars, idk about the specifics of his swap but I swapped fuel lines, brake lines (non abs into an abs equipped car), radiator, entire subframe with engine, trans, engine wiring harness, PCM. Then needed to repin the fuse block to get headlights (huge thanks to Duval for figuring that out) and run a wire to get it to crank and start correctly.

If I were to do it again I would use the harness for the entire car, not just the engine harness. My remote door locks still don't work and my rear speakers don't either. I'm sure there is more..

[guiguilandry]

you didn't listed the easyest swap you can do... the 2,2 ecotec

[Nas Escobar]

guiguilandry, I think the OP wants to have a V6 powered Alero, but I would agree, a 2.2 Ecotec would be a lot easier on him, and with the M62 supercharger, he could in essence have a Cobalt SS.

Regardless, he would still have to change wiring harnesses. To have it foolproof, I would literally just rip out the whole wiring harness out of a 2.2 Ecotec Grand Am or Alero and then get a low mileage engine. L61's were everywhere.

[xXManwhoreXx]

4.0 v8 all day if you can!

[Papa Rad17]

If your going to do it I would say go big or go home. If your wanting something more conservative but a little more power I would say 3500, that way kinda keeping true to the alero but still get the little upgrades the 3500 has over the 3400. If your just wanting good gas mileage and a motor that will last forever, ecotec 2.2.
Put an LS2 with a 6sp in there :lol: good reliable v8, 400 horse stock and plenty or aftermarket options.

[rocketfast321]

I would look at these

2006–2009 Chevrolet Impala SS
2006–2007 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS
2005–2008 Pontiac Grand Prix GXP
2008–2009 Buick LaCrosse Super

[xXManwhoreXx]

Fuck it dude go legit or go home... k23 turbo from the acura rdx

[sleepyalero]

no jap motors in an american car!

and the v8 screw that idea you know much it would cost just to make that thing work?

[xXManwhoreXx]

What are the ecotecs based off of?

[03glgold]

if milzy hasn't found his test car for the 3.9 swap then I would talk to him...I can't remember the price that he quoted when I asked, but it didn't seem that bad for everything that had to be done

[fisdad]

if milzy hasn't found his test car for the 3.9 swap then I would talk to him...I can't remember the price that he quoted when I asked, but it didn't seem that bad for everything that had to be done

This may be the way to go? At least I'd have help, but I'm not sure if I can go so long without my car lol.

[sleepyalero]

if you need a vehicle i would wait to drop it off to milzy. (no offense to him of course)

[xXManwhoreXx]

Tell him up front its your dd none of the 8 month stuff

[fisdad]

if you need a vehicle i would wait to drop it off to milzy. (no offense to him of course)

Tell him up front its your dd none of the 8 month stuff

Just have to buy a beater if I were going to do it.

[sleepyalero]

Tell him up front its your dd none of the 8 month stuff

hes got alot of cars ahead of him if he did, milzy cant drop all his other work to get ryans done only cause its his only car. hes gonna have to buy a beater to get by while it was gone. especially cause the 3900 probably hasnt been swapped in the alero yet it would take some time. especially with milzy's sched.

no offense to you ryan.

[xXManwhoreXx]

Obviously not a 3 month job though...

[Shiwnath]

For the sake of not over complicating things, if i were you I would just work with the 2.4L. I think you're underestimating the potential of the Quad 4. Yes it would be more pricey to make quicker but it would reduce the risk of running into wiring issues and reduce the possibility of ending up with a half functioning swap. You could make a 2.3/2.4 hybrid which would be rather nice. Also swap in a GMPP 2.4 SC kit in a 2.3/2.4 hybrid would put you into the 200 HP range which wouldn't be bad... The SC kit does cost over 2 grand new but it would be a lot easier than what you're thinking of doing.

You are right in the sense that you can accomplish any swap, but the chances of success and getting everything in working order is less than working with what you already have. Not trying to discourage you, but I just think it's way more trouble than it's worth to go from 4 cyl to 6. I'd just sell the 4 banger and just upgrade to a GLS if you're set on a V6. Just my two cents.

[sleepyalero]

Obviously not a 3 month job though...

yes but depends how his sched is. hes a little short staffed in my opinion atm and has quite a few cars in his shop.

doesnt really matter how quick of a job it is, its when he is able to stop on some cars to do his.

i know it can be a little crazy how long it takes but you gotta see from his point of view, hes getting alot of business right now, and it will be crazier once it gets warmer.

[xXManwhoreXx]

Honesly ryan... the 3900 swap would be the same as a 3400 swap. Wiring transmission and mounts. A swap is a swap. The only diffrence is no one has done the 3900 swap

a. you could go stright with the the 6 speed
B. Its a torque/power monster right outta the gate
C. Its a newer and more reliable motor

[guiguilandry]

hell you can even run the ecotec of the ld9 pcm/wiring...

what bugs me is that unless you swap ecotec/3400 none of your gauges will work...

that's why I have all autometer in my car... (you probably can swap a 3500/3900 but you'll have to use a 3400 harness/pcm) but you'll have to lose the variable cam of the 3900

if you want to go 3800... good luck, it's a torque monster and you'll have to redo/reinforce the stock frame and subframe of the car... It pulled my upper rad support like 1 inch even if I had urethane lower mounts....

[fisdad]

hell you can even run the ecotec of the ld9 pcm/wiring...

what bugs me is that unless you swap ecotec/3400 none of your gauges will work...

that's why I have all autometer in my car... (you probably can swap a 3500/3900 but you'll have to use a 3400 harness/pcm) but you'll have to lose the variable cam of the 3900

if you want to go 3800... good luck, it's a torque monster and you'll have to redo/reinforce the stock frame and subframe of the car... It pulled my upper rad support like 1 inch even if I had urethane lower mounts....

All of this sounds like a pita. I can't believe how the 3800 shredded your car! lol. That's awesome and horrible at the same time.

[Nas Escobar]

no jap motors in an american car!

and the v8 screw that idea you know much it would cost just to make that thing work?

:usa: :usa: :usa: :usa:

This.
For.
The.
Win.

You never disgrace an American car by putting some rice burner in it.
(But a 350SBC in a Japcrap is okay. Japanese car companies never had the balls to make a real engine, so we must slap a real engine in there)

Would be cool if someone did slap a 350SBC in an N body. The room is there, it would just be a really tight fit once all accessories are put into account.

What are the ecotecs based off of?

The L61 was one of GM's first "Global engines". It's not really based on anything, but it tends to be more European than American. It was made as a joint venture between Opel, American GM, and Saab. IIRC, Fiat got involved in it (I think just financially) and the L61 found its way in a couple Fiat cars.

The name "Ecotec" came from Opel though. They had used it since the 90's.

One question though... has anyone ever considered swapping the Quad 4 in an N body? I've been told the 2.4 "Twincam" is a "refreshed" Quad 4.

[xXManwhoreXx]

2jz has seen over 900whp off of stock internals... the rb26dett has seen over 1100.. I have seen crate 350s blow at 600 get outta here with that ultra patriot shit. I drive american but that's just plain ignorant

[Nas Escobar]

The Supra and Skyline engines are one off type of engines though... I know there's some beast Japanese and European engines, but mass produced; Americans have been known to put power in their cars. The majority of Japanese cars are underpowered, that's fact. Sure they can come up with a nice engine like the 2JZ, but not once did Toyota use that engine, even in its natural aspired form in a car that was meant to be sold at a lower price point.... for USDM anyways. (I know you would have brought up the Toyota Chaser). As far as the RB24DETT goes, that engine isn't even US legal. It's pointless to bring it up. USDM wise, Japanese cars plain suck. Sure there's a nice car every now and then, but the majority of them just suck. They're either underpowered, ugly as hell, or marketed to some weird demographic. I mean truthfully, there's a reason why you don't see people "preserving" old Japanese cars like you do with American, and thats why... historically, the cars have been underpowered or geared to either chicks, people looking for a small car, basic transportation, etc. Not once can you say that a Japanese car company put a large engine in a car that really didn't need it. Where's the V6 Civics? Where's the turbocharged Corollas? You'll never find them because in a Japanese car, you had to step up to a high end car like a Skyline or a Supra to get a real engine, not some fuel sipping "I can't get to 100mph" joke of an engine.

Don't think I'm coming with the "Uber 'Murikan" crap here. I respect a real car when I see it, but I refuse to praise an overhyped car like a Civic (which really, I don't see how it's considered a sports car when it's factory built to be basic transportation).

I leave you with this... Just because I thought it was cool.
4z0lGA5PEWg

If Japanese car companies had the balls to do this, like how the 454 and 350 found its way to just about every car, then I'd have more respect for Japanese cars.

[JLw7123]

OK the skyline gtr is illegal in the USA but the rb25 and rb26,rb30. Are legal to buy and swap into cars. I like muscle cars and American cars but I liked them when they were truly American cars. But these days the Japanese cars are becoming more American than the original American cars. There are plenty of cars these days we get from Japan that are fast. I mean what American makes a good fast awd vehicle Japanese and European auto manufacturers have been making fast awd cars for years and they have the the best auto racing. Do not tell me the awd Cadillacs are good cars because they are not they have one of the worst awd systems. They should have stuck with rwd only. Right now the only muscle car I will buy is a mustang boss 302 or a Challenger srt8. Who makes the duramax engine for GM, Isuzu does and that is a Japanese company.

[xXManwhoreXx]

My 2000 GLS 3.4l puts out 170hp at the crank... same year civic si 160 out of a 1.6l half the size all the power.. the k20 is over 100hp /per liter.. how would your alero feel with 340hp from the factory?

[JLw7123]

My 2000 GLS 3.4l puts out 170hp at the crank... same year civic si 160 out of a 1.6l half the size all the power.. the k20 is over 100hp /per liter.. how would your alero feel with 340hp from the factory?

Honda's make a lot of power but they have no torque. But the sti has 305 HP and 300flbs. The old h6 had 228hp 230 flbs. I would give Honda more credit if their engines made asmuch HP as tq. But Honda's are really reliable my dad has an 97 accord with 240k on it the engine only has had a valve cover gasket replaced even the clutch is original.

[Nas Escobar]

Honda's make a lot of power but they have no torque.

This.....

QFT.

I wouldn't mind hondafans if they realized that the hp to torque ratio on those cars are not 50/50 or 60/40. Honda makes good hp, I won't deny that BUT what good is having a K20 with insane hp when your torque is only a fraction of your hp. People talk about 700,800,900 hp but not once do they mention torque, and if you're really into cars you would know that hp keeps your car going BUT torque is what actually moves your car. Your car doesn't start from 0 with hp, it starts with torque.

[JLw7123]

This.....

QFT.

I wouldn't mind hondafans if they realized that the hp to torque ratio on those cars are not 50/50 or 60/40. Honda makes good hp, I won't deny that BUT what good is having a K20 with insane hp when your torque is only a fraction of your hp. People talk about 700,800,900 hp but not once do they mention torque, and if ou're really into cars you would know that hp keeps your car going BUT torque is what actually moves your car. Your car doesn't start from 0 with hp, it starts with torque.
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Yep that's why I went with a Subaru they have a very even hp- tq ratio I mean my friends. Legacy spec b makes 280awhp and 300flbs. Also they do not sound like lawnmowers when you put an exhaust on.

[Shiwnath]

My 2000 GLS 3.4l puts out 170hp at the crank... same year civic si 160 out of a 1.6l half the size all the power.. the k20 is over 100hp /per liter.. how would your alero feel with 340hp from the factory?

Yeah, but you're missing the fact that the civic has more valves per cylinder and has a higher revving motor. Comparing that to a OHV family sedan makes absolutely no sense. They're not even in the same classification of cars. Honda obviously put more effort into that engine's performance than GM did for the 3400. The 3400 is meant for grocery getters in all honesty, but you still make it one bad ass of an engine if you put the effort into it.

[Nas Escobar]

A
Yep that's why I went with a Subaru they have a very even hp- tq ratio I mean my friends. Legacy spec b makes 280awhp and 300flbs. Also they do not sound like lawnmowers when you put an exhaust on.

Subaru's aren't bad cars... then again, they're not marketed to people looking for basic trans... There's a reason they don't sell many cars. I personally wouldn't mind an Impreza, I just don't like having cars that douchebags typically get. Other than that, I'd jump on a Boxer Subie if the mileage and price was right.

[Cliff8928]

I mean what American makes a good fast awd vehicle

GMC Sy/Ty
TrailblazerSS / Saab 9-7x Aero
Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8
Chrysler 300C AWD
Taurus SHO
Buck Regal Turbo/GS (2014)
Cadillac ATS
Saab 9-3 TurboX
Saab 9-5 Aero (2010-2011)

My 2000 GLS 3.4l puts out 170hp at the crank... same year civic si 160 out of a 1.6l half the size all the power.. the k20 is over 100hp /per liter.. how would your alero feel with 340hp from the factory?

340 HP is no good if it only makes a small amount of torque. I'd have to say that a 240hp Honda S2000 was one of the worst experiences of driving a car when i was driving it "easy". My C5 can easily cruise at 1500 RPM or lower all day long.

My Ecotec LHU only has 220 Hp, but the 258 ft-lbs at 2000 RPM sure makes up for it. (oh, and that's 110hp/L)

[JLw7123]

OK the Saab's are not made anymore same with the trailblazers. Awd caddys are crap but the rwd ATS is a lot of fun drove one for a week. The. 300c is the best one you listed. The regal is a glorified Malibu. The sho is OK. You for got an awd Saab the Saab 92x with the wrx engine.

[sleepyalero]

My 2000 GLS 3.4l puts out 170hp at the crank... same year civic si 160 out of a 1.6l half the size all the power.. the k20 is over 100hp /per liter.. how would your alero feel with 340hp from the factory?

stock vs stock alero still whoops the civic ;)

[03glgold]

Ok...this thread isn't here to argue whether import or domestic is better...He gave a list of motors he was considering, and asked us to choose what out of those motors would be better...he most certainly didn't have any import motor on the list so why does this argument need to be had so often...it has been made obvious many times over that some on the forum like import more while most on here like domestic better...Why don't we get back to what the thread was intended for

[sleepyalero]

Ok...this thread isn't here to argue whether import or domestic is better...He gave a list of motors he was considering, and asked us to choose what out of those motors would be better...he most certainly didn't have any import motor on the list so why does this argument need to be had so often...it has been made obvious many times over that some on the forum like import more while most on here like domestic better...Why don't we get back to what the thread was intended for

agreed, but you know eric hes a civic whore. :lol:

eric, we beefin.




3.4 swapppppp

[colonel6632]

sorry, but we all know that the 2.2 is the best motor that was put into the alero, some of us are just lucky enough to get them from factory :p ;)

but ecotecs are also damn near bullet proof, and are one of gms best engine in my opinion, might even rival the sbc. my ecotec runs great, revs high, and has been through hell and back

[03glgold]

^ this is true...ecotecs commonly clear 300k and there are a decent amount that have made it as high as 5-600k miles or more

[billytheman1188]

WOW....this DEF turned into a nice little ricer convo. I love how the one dude (jlw?) is calling all these cars crap....like the regal and taurus.....dude....you work at a rental place...do you drive these cars hundreds of thousands of miles and test them all the time? Nah man....you drive them around the lot and to pick up customers or drop them off. The SHO is ok? LOL....365 ponies....i'll take it over anything else in that list. I do agree with the caddy comment....the older ones were CRAP....which means i will never trust a newer one. The Regal is pretty slick though...one of the best looking domestics IMO...the new malibu looks sexy too. Honda? GTFO. Toyota? GTFO. Nissan? GTFO. Saab? Really? GTFO! I know saab is part of GM but man.....some of them are junk....and ALL of them are expensive as F*CK to fix.


K.....now back to the thread....GET A CAR WITH A BLOWN 3400 AND SWAP A 3500 IN. Then go get your tranny swap done. Now you will have a much more reliable/powerful engine with your 6 speed. The swap is pretty straight forward and if you have any questions give Mike at milzy a call and he will help.

[JLw7123]

Those are my options you do not have like them. LOL. No I am a technican there.

Now has anybody boosted the 3500 engine before. Does it have the same or different inteals as the 3400.

[Shiwnath]

Those are my options you do not have like them. LOL

Now has anybody boosted the 3500 engine before. Does it have the same or different inteals as the 3400.

There's probably someone on 60degreeV6.com with a boosted 3500.

Some 3500s have forged cranks instead of cast and they all have oil squirters for cylinders 5 and 6. Pistons aren't the same as well and aftermarket forged pistons aren't readily available for the 3500 unfortunately. Valvetrain components between the 3500 and 3400 can be shared except you can't use the older 8mm rockers from the 3400 IIRC.

[sleepyalero]

this thread is way outta hand lol

[JLw7123]

There's probably someone on 60degreeV6.com with a boosted 3500.

Some 3500s have forged cranks instead of cast and they all have oil squirters for cylinders 5 and 6. Pistons aren't the same as well and aftermarket forged pistons aren't readily available for the 3500 unfortunately. Valvetrain components between the 3500 and 3400 can be shared except you can't use the older 8mm rockers from the 3400 IIRC.

Oh that's to bad that forged pistons are hard to find because with a stock forged crank and forged rods and pistons the 3500 could have some real potential. But how much boost can it handle stock I think the Max on the 3400 is like 10-15 psi.

[sleepyalero]

i believe milzy offers forged pistons for the 3500....

if you use 3500 heads you have to use 3500 LIM i believe. but have a choice of 3400/3500 UIM.

[JLw7123]

i believe milzy offers forged pistons for the 3500....

if you use 3500 heads you have to use 3500 LIM i believe. but have a choice of 3400/3500 UIM.

Are u going to use the 3500 engine and build that when go to boost your car or will you just build the engine you have.

[sleepyalero]

Are u going to use the 3500 engine and build that when go to boost your car or will you just build the engine you have.

oh i think if you use 3400 upper, you need to use 3400 lower and maybe 3400 heads. but could still run the 3500 block. i honestly forget. milzy told me the options a few months ago but alot has happened since then. milzy or someone here can confirm that.



its a toss up, either a 3500 race block, 3500 stage 2 or 3 heads (turbo), (depends how streetable i want) stage 2 or 3 turbo cam. turbo size is still being thought about.

or same as above, but 3400 race block, heads, etc.

still alot of thought to be put in it. might just go 3500 for the little more power i could get, only thing i dont like on the 3500 is the UIM. so i might keep 3400 UIM, but still being planned. still got alot of time till i need a build plan. but ill come up with one soon enough.

[Shiwnath]

oh i think if you use 3400 upper, you need to use 3400 lower and maybe 3400 heads. but could still run the 3500 block. i honestly forget. milzy told me the options a few months ago but alot has happened since then. milzy or someone here can confirm that.

You can use the 3400 upper with the 3500 Lower/heads no problem. It is the easiest route for a 3400 to 3500 swap, but I'd grind off the "3400 SFI" and powder coat the UIM. The 3500 heads that cant be used with the 3400 lower.

[sleepyalero]

thanks for the clarification :)

[xXManwhoreXx]

3900 be individual

[sleepyalero]

if he did he would be the first.

[happyisthealero]

you should do a 3.5L DOHC V6

[Nas Escobar]

you should do a 3.5L DOHC V6

The Shortstar?

[Shiwnath]

Both 3.5L DOHC and 3900 have little to no aftermarket support. They both have a decent amount of power for stock though. I'm just curious about what it would take tuning wise for the 3900's VVT to function properly. Electronically the TCM/ECM/PCM would have to be swapped to make it all work I'd assume. It maybe be possible for Milzy or WOT-Tech engineer a custom harness to make the swap plug-and-play. I'm assuming thats what Milzy needs a test car for. I just wish there was more support for the 3900. That would be a bad ass swap.

In Ontario you'd be able to classify your car as a hotrod if you have a custom engine swap.

[03glgold]

I called milzy a while back to ask him about it and either the car basically has to be completely rewired to believe it is a g6 and function like a g6 or you have to tear apart the motor and remove vvt

[Cliff8928]

Both 3.5L DOHC and 3900 have little to no aftermarket support. They both have a decent amount of power for stock though. I'm just curious about what it would take tuning wise for the 3900's VVT to function properly. Electronically the TCM/ECM/PCM would have to be swapped to make it all work I'd assume. It maybe be possible for Milzy or WOT-Tech engineer a custom harness to make the swap plug-and-play. I'm assuming thats what Milzy needs a test car for. I just wish there was more support for the 3900. That would be a bad ass swap.

In Ontario you'd be able to classify your car as a hotrod if you have a custom engine swap.

The problem with the 3900 is trying to make two completely different generations of electronics work together. The Alero is Class 2 (J1850 VPW) based and the 3900s PCM is GM LAN (CAN) based. You may end up with different modules not wanting to communicate.

[sleepyalero]

there is parts for the 3500. (MMS)

[Shiwnath]

The problem with the 3900 is trying to make two completely different generations of electronics work together. The Alero is Class 2 (J1850 VPW) based and the 3900s PCM is GM LAN (CAN) based. You may end up with different modules not wanting to communicate.

I totally missed that, you're right. I guess in that scenario you'd have to gut a G6's whole wiring and swap it into an Alero and there's basically no chance of retaining the stock gauge cluster because of how data communications would be handled for the 3900. Very complicated...

[guiguilandry]

I told this way before in this thread!!!

If the guys want to run a 3900 he need to get a 3400 for the harness, heads/intakes/cam/t-chain components
basically you'll have a 3900''shortblock'' the rest will be 3400 or 3500
no way you can have a functionning cluster with just the 3900 harness....

well there is another way and that would be to run both harness and pcm in parallel.... (I didn't do this on my car it's kinda a hackjob, but it can work)

[happyisthealero]

yes short star! :D

[fisdad]

Holy crap this thread went apeshit! I think I will stick with my 2.4 and see what tweaks I can do to boost the power. If I do a swap, I would probably have to find another Alero that I could send to Milzy to have him hack job the thing for me. It all sounds like a hot mess.

[Nas Escobar]

Try seeing what parts from the Quad 4 can fit... They're basically brothers within the same family.

[03glgold]

I know there is the secret cam swap...not sure if you did that already or not.

[JLw7123]

Holy crap this thread went apeshit! I think I will stick with my 2.4 and see what tweaks I can do to boost the power. If I do a swap, I would probably have to find another Alero that I could send to Milzy to have him hack job the thing for me. It all sounds like a hot mess.
I think there is a supercharger kit for the 2.4 ld9. But you could also go ion c2s route and turbo it. What kind of budget do you have to mod the engine. I dunno if the turbo headers from the cobalt 2.4 will fit the ld9.

[fisdad]

I think there is a supercharger kit for the 2.4 ld9. But you could also go ion c2s route and turbo it. What kind of budget do you have to mod the engine. I dunno if the turbo headers from the cobalt 2.4 will fit the ld9.

I haven't done anything to the internals other than new timing, waterpump and thermostat all in one punch because the waterpump was weak. My budget is up in the air depending on what my options are, but I'd like to spend less than $2000 total.

[xXManwhoreXx]

So nothing

[sleepyalero]

swaps arent a breeze in the wind. ;)

3.4 swap. it will cost under 2 grand

[03glgold]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-4L-twin-cam-chevrolet-supercharger-kit-cavalier-sunfire-alero-grand-am-/290899386527?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories &vxp=mtr&hash=item43baf4609f

[3500Alero]

+1 on the 4.0:haha:

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc307/1quickhatch/other%20sweet%20pics/v8Alero_zpsfd7af9a5.jpg (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/1quickhatch/media/other%20sweet%20pics/v8Alero_zpsfd7af9a5.jpg.html)

3500's will handle more boost than your trans will take!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AiZ_96qMu9c

STOCK 3500 with a cam and iirc 8psi on this run!
last fall it went 11.1@130mph on 15psi!

[guiguilandry]

WHO DID THIS !!!!+1 on the 4.0:haha:

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc307/1quickhatch/other%20sweet%20pics/v8Alero_zpsfd7af9a5.jpg (http://s219.photobucket.com/user/1quickhatch/media/other%20sweet%20pics/v8Alero_zpsfd7af9a5.jpg.html)

3500's will handle more boost than your trans will take!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AiZ_96qMu9c

STOCK 3500 with a cam and iirc 8psi on this run!
last fall it went 11.1@130mph on 15psi!

[xXManwhoreXx]

Dudes makin you look like a bitch guiguilandry

[guiguilandry]

DAMN IT LOOKS NICE ...mine will still be 3800 but I'm gonna run a mp112...

but he is only pushing about 250hp... I'll be close to 400-425... with even more torque

[kwhauck]

Oh that's to bad that forged pistons are hard to find because with a stock forged crank and forged rods and pistons the 3500 could have some real potential. But how much boost can it handle stock I think the Max on the 3400 is like 10-15 psi.

:eek: :rolleyes2: Ignorance, custom pistons are not that expensive, and the rods and crank are not the weak point...... I DD'd 13-17psi for over two years...no problem......with forged pistons and better tuning 15psi would be a walk in the park. But really it isn't about psi but more power.....

WHO DID THIS !!!!

442 Alero, GM prototype car.....


TO FISDAD.......the OP.......

If I had to do it all over again and spend the buttloads of money that I have on my car.......I would go with an ecotec without a doubt.....i'd be running 10s DD by now instead of having a deadboat anchor with 15k of parts sitting in my garage.

[kwhauck]

2jz has seen over 900whp off of stock internals... the rb26dett has seen over 1100.. I have seen crate 350s blow at 600 get outta here with that ultra patriot shit. I drive american but that's just plain ignorant

I think you'll like this, local shop car, 2jz fox body...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc61EGLDP7A&feature=player_embedded

[fisdad]

I may do the 2.2? I'm not sure yet. It depends on what the benefits would be. Would the 2.2 straight swap give me any more power without mods or be the same?

Since I've replaced my tps a couple of weeks ago, my mpg has gone from 22-24 up to a consistent 26-30.5. I can't argue with that. She's still slow, but maybe I can work with what I've got?

[xXManwhoreXx]

Omg kyle that car is sick!


Honestly man the 2.2 is an awesome motor...

[xXManwhoreXx]

KfGZyB4Dl-k

[03glgold]

I may do the 2.2? I'm not sure yet. It depends on what the benefits would be. Would the 2.2 straight swap give me any more power without mods or be the same?

Since I've replaced my tps a couple of weeks ago, my mpg has gone from 22-24 up to a consistent 26-30.5. I can't argue with that. She's still slow, but maybe I can work with what I've got?

stock for stock the ecotec would be a downgrade in power, however there are a lot higher mileage ecotecs out there than ld9's, and there is more aftermarket support...in the gm build book the stock block can support 8-900 horsepower and if you used a race block you can go to 1400hp (doubt you want to but ya never know)...the best part is that gm has the build book with everything they used to build to the different power levels

[sleepyalero]

KfGZyB4Dl-k

That's no ecotec.


You and your damn Hondas

[sleepyalero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nHMF3zhtWw

[xXManwhoreXx]

Its what a 2.0 is capable of.. I would love a 2.2 5 speed