Moment of truth.

[sleepyalero]

Well aleromod community, the time has finally come, after some time the ho is finally home. It's quite exciting honestly.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/6FD3D98C-E677-4DED-A2BE-74AC9F688948-26691-00000A36C8BC1B8C.jpg

more to come.... im busy cleaning her right now, shes a dirty girl. ;)

[mfuller]

Wash, dry, claybar, polish, wax?

[JLw7123]

Very nice

[sleepyalero]

Wash, dry, claybar, polish, wax?

that was only after the wash. :)

[tw0123]

Nice start sleepy... you putting the 18's on?

[sleepyalero]

the 18s will be on in a couple days, car needs an alignment first so i dont want to ruin my nice tires. monday or tuesday they will be on.

[sleepyalero]

im gonna post everything i got done at MMS.

- 6 speed transmission. (from g6)
- Metal header gaskets. (No more blowing the junk pacesetter gaskets)
- Oil pan gasket.
- Valve cover gaskets.
- Transmission mounts. (Powdercoated blue)
- Modified heater tube. (Powdercoated blue)
- Replaced front head.
- Stainless steel catless downpipe.
- EGR delete.
- Stainless allen header bolts.

I think there is a couple other small things, ive got everything on a reciept/invoice sheet but you guys basically get the point.

More pictures coming soon...

[zearchyo]

nice

[sleepyalero]

thanks zear. :)

[MMGT1]

NICE!!!! Get a vid of it running man, I'd love to hear it and see a v6 shifitng manually... lol I'm soooooo jealous right now its not even funny

[sleepyalero]

I'll have to get a video here in a couple weeks maybe. Looking to get the sony action cam.

also im sorry for hesitating on pics, its been a long day, i got 1.5 hrs of sleep, and feel like shit so im about to go to bed. so ill get pictures tomorrow. sorry guys.

[jawa]

nice geo metro 5 speed there lmfao

[xXManwhoreXx]

I have some video of sleepy stalling out

[DJx79x]

Tease......

[sleepyalero]

I have some video of sleepy stalling out

boooo :(

i didnt stall it all the way home or since!

[sleepyalero]

alright here is the much needed pictures.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/91EDB9ED-6C60-4705-931B-A3D6AFFF6A11-29501-00000B5A375DCB7D.jpg
http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/14E68A34-2910-42FB-BBFB-A17E2361C54B-29501-00000B5A3E504215.jpg
http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/AFED0148-AB6E-4CE0-8FF1-E99A93CA6EA7-29501-00000B5A449FB34A.jpg
http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/94E4FDF0-0C8F-4D27-9655-FBF9D7673CE2-29501-00000B5A4BE8105A.jpg
http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/90249D97-5705-44DD-91FE-C469F6251CA1-29501-00000B5A52B8E5FB.jpg
http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/3AB55AA5-27CC-4B92-B6E1-EA9BB2D15FD1-29501-00000B5A645E460D.jpg
http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/38973CD9-2C1A-40C3-9000-023BEA3BEA5C-29501-00000B5A6CD22D27.jpg
http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/F1C1EA97-8139-4879-A82D-6D6A087292DF-29501-00000B5A76030AD3.jpg
http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/5295ACF2-60C0-4ECB-AB83-42F9F5C24F0F-29501-00000B5A8A4DA390.jpg
http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/70A5A06A-3D61-4BCF-804C-F38E19C65DE0-29501-00000B5A95713687.jpg
http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/765DB216-6AE6-42CB-AD69-3EC7B0A224D1-29501-00000B5AA2F08BEA.jpg

New school and old school :) 77 cutlass. (step dads)
http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/C09C4A2C-55B8-4715-9159-826645F13469-29501-00000B5A9DB23784.jpg

[sleepyalero]

red spark plug wire is just temporary... the red wires you see in the clutch picture are being ripped out today. and the clutch peddle is missing a boot on it. (why it looks kinda bad) but idc its gonna be used alot so really dont care for 100% perfection on that. lol

[mfuller]

Looks great Nathan. You need to get a pad of some kind on that clutch pedal.
For anyone interested, here's a few different views from the driver's side wheelwell and underneath:

[sleepyalero]

yeah in good time.

i forgot to mention there was another secret on the site....

looks good matt. feel free to thread jack. this thread is mine as much as yours :p

[unchained01]

Did you get the axle problem taken care of ? And Matt are you doing your own install ?

[Papa Rad17]

Looking good! How's she drive?

[jawa]

dats a huge brake pedal lol

[jawa]

videos or its just a slick shift knob

[sleepyalero]

lmao fuck you jawa! you can tell by seeing the shift linkage i posted. wait till around oct 15, should be getting my sony action cam

[mfuller]

As Nathan eluded to, there are 2 F40-equipped 3400 Aleros now.
I picked mine up about 6 weeks ago.

[jawa]

my sister has dem knobs in her Saab 9-3 turbo

[jawa]

wats up with the brake pedals guys

[JLw7123]

Wow that is awesome can not wait to hear how they drive. What is the gear ratio.

[mfuller]

From what I am told, manual and automatic-equipped cars used the same brake pedal (I am still unsure though).
The axle ratio is 3.55:1.

[sleepyalero]

matt, jawa is jokin sayin they arent manuals. :lol: fyi matt got his done at MMS as well.

they drive quite nice. trannys are a little noisy. and alot of vibration because of his really stiff mounts. aside from that it performs very well.

and yes, i am 2/2 6 speed 3400's. matt is 1/2. :p the secret is revealed!

[colonel6632]

From what I am told, manual and automatic-equipped cars used the same brake pedal (I am still unsure though).
The axle ratio is 3.55:1.

incorrect. the pedals are different in manual cars. mine at least

[WhiteV6]

http://www.aleromod.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11336&stc=1&d=1349017693

Did Mike have issues with your axles? This pic has me worried about the height of the output on the trans, the other makes it look like the engine sits in front of the hubs rather than inline. Is the stock setup like this? I am an engine guy, not an axle geometry expert.

Cool to see some manual N bodies. I love my 5 speed grand prix:)

[mfuller]

Did Mike have issues with your axles? This pic has me worried about the height of the output on the trans, the other makes it look like the engine sits in front of the hubs rather than inline. Is the stock setup like this? I am an engine guy, not an axle geometry expert.

Cool to see some manual N bodies. I love my 5 speed grand prix:)
Ben:
I had to shorten the drivers-side axle to keep it from binding with the diff when the car got aligned. It drives fine now. That picture was taken on jackstands, so the suspension is at full droop. Everything is aligned correctly at ride height.

[sleepyalero]

same with mine. seems to also drive fine. see what the dealer says when i get an alignment. ;)

retinted tails.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/E3F9C913-B61E-45D8-BE37-03490E9E8C9F-30365-00000B9AA7923B15.jpg
http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/14A7E406-0845-4F42-9A77-95E561EF1D50-30365-00000B9AB1D72D37.jpg

[zearchyo]

that black looks impeccable

[sleepyalero]

keep it clean :)

[tw0123]

so jealous of both of those 5 speed 6's... but i will just have to settle with my 3 alero's to play with... 5 speed ld9 sedan, auto ld9 coupe and modded la1 sedan :)

[sleepyalero]

so jealous of both of those 5 speed 6's...

you mean 6 speed? :lol:


the swap is really down to the last wire. everything works as if the car was made from factory with this transmission. have to push in clutch to start car, and once put in reverse the reverse lights come on.

Mike from MMS did take some time on the car... but he did an AWESOME job, i honestly couldnt be happier with this swap.

Edit: Congrats Two0123 and Matt on AOTM.

[billytheman1188]

Glad to hear everything is going good. Mike does great work....never understood why he got bashed on here so much. He's a nice guy....SMART and does some quality builds. Did he tell you about the AWD Impala he did? bad ass.


Anyways, GET SOME VIDEO UP!!!! :lol: (im the last one who should be telling someone to get pics/video up since i STILL haven't posted a pic of my new ho lol). In due time.....in due time:lol:

[mfuller]

I have some really crappy iPhone video if you're desperate.
Holding the phone, steering and shifting simultaneously is not exactly trivial.

[sleepyalero]

yeah what matt said lol. thats why im waiting for my sony action cam. be alot easier. Yeah mike does awesome work. its amazing. i did not hear about the impala but he now has a grand prix that will be built to push 550 hp. and also has a like 98 olds 88 or somethin thats getting a turbo kit lol. he has some wild things comin out of that shop. he said the grand prix is gonna break some records.

have you heard about his diesel truck? got a tune by him and a 5 inch turbo back exhaust. pushin like 1500 ft lbs. lol

im at the dealership right now waiting to get an alignment done. heres a pic i took before i left, purs like a kittin. :)

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/B134FD2E-FB66-49F0-9CE6-A0A7C40FB656-32263-00000C7A6B26C785.jpg

[mfuller]

Video for ya'll -
http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/matthew_fuller/th_6-speeddaytime.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/albums/uu132/matthew_fuller/?action=view&current=6-speeddaytime.mp4)

[sleepyalero]

not to shabby of a vid. seems you have less vibration in the car then i do.

[billytheman1188]

Sweet video. That car sounds mean

[JLw7123]

Wow sounds good

[jackal2000]

I wish my garage was that big! Very cool swap. It's about time you guys got around to doing this!

[mfuller]

Thanks for the compliments on the sound; I'm pretty happy with it.
Milzy's headers made it quite a bit louder, so I ditched the SLP/Magnaflow setup for a Borla cat-back. I still run a catalytic converter also.
I'd like to hear Nathan's setup; I've never heard the full Pacesetter system.

[sleepyalero]

full pacesetter no cat, yo!

its not to loud honestly. i need a smaller muffler! lol

very happy my headers cleared the shift linkage. really didnt wanna go back to stock mani's.

[XanderWiFi]

Video is a must my man.

I want your garage. You know how much kid crap I have to shuffle around to get Angel in for an oil change? lol

[colonel6632]

looks awesome? is it always idle around 1200? that seems really high

[billytheman1188]

I was the first one on here to get the pacesetter cat back....loved it....sounded great but was a little too loud for me. I went with borla after the pacesetter rusted out on me. S&s Headers, not cat to a borla...love the sound :)

[mfuller]

I have been playing around with the tune and that's why the idle was so high.
That problem has been rectified and it idles around the commanded idle of 800rpm - which is a bit higher than stock due to my cam.

[colonel6632]

thats not high, my standard idles around 900. glad you got it fixed

[sleepyalero]

Video is a must my man.

I want your garage. You know how much kid crap I have to shuffle around to get Angel in for an oil change? lol

haha i love my garage, but technically its a barn. but used as a garage. :) its like a 60x40-60x50. plenty of room for almost anything. you only see a 1/3 of the barn in those pics lol, behind me theres about another 15 or so feet then got two giant tractors sitting on the other side.

looks awesome? is it always idle around 1200? that seems really high

cold start its around 1900 rpm for me, but it only sits there for about... 4-6 seconds then comes down, then goes down to about 800-900 warm, idles as it did before with the auto.

I was the first one on here to get the pacesetter cat back....loved it....sounded great but was a little too loud for me. I went with borla after the pacesetter rusted out on me. S&s Headers, not cat to a borla...love the sound :)

haha idk why everyone says its to loud. i mean yeah it seems to sound louder then borla (which is a suprise) but i would choose the pacesetter over anything, everyone just has that certain exhaust tone they like with there cars lol.



Side note: I plan on getting a few more pictures tomorrow of some things, i was under the car today changing a oil pressure sensor for my gauge, installing the o2 sensor for my AEM wideband. and removing the underglow on my car, never going back to that. did some gauge rewiring... yet still the gauges dont wanna work, they have power, they just dont read for some reason, cant figure out why... think it might just be the gauges itself. :( the wideband works fine, just my volts gauge doesnt really want to read, nor does the oil press gauge, even though i just put a new oil pressure sensor in today for it... and ran a new ground wire for it too. hmmm.....

man let me tell you... there is SO much room now at the bottom back of the motor, i can actually put my head up to the rear header. :lol: ill have to get pictures of that tomorrow as well as one of my sweet ass powdercoated blue mounts i was checking out today back there. :lol:

[xXManwhoreXx]

http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a581/emahan1990/20120929_093612.jpg

Here's the gp

[sleepyalero]

mmmmmm

[xXManwhoreXx]

Mikes got a derp face in that pic

[sleepyalero]

haha i noticed, looks kinda funny lmao.

[billytheman1188]

It's a 4 door though! How can you post a pic of one and be such a hater of sedans!? ;)

[sleepyalero]

It's a 4 door though! How can you post a pic of one and be such a hater of sedans!? ;)

RIGHT!!!! fuckin hater!!!!

i love my 6 speed foh doh. :D

[jawa]

tax time .... mines getting a manual swap done

[billytheman1188]

All that money for a stick that could go into a complete engine rebuild/turbo. Auto ftw! ;)

[03glgold]

after lots of searching there is a version of the F-40 that is in the Saab 2.0 turbo that fits the ecotec as well as the F-40 that is in the current Buick regal rs... there is also the 6 speed in the cruze which i believe is made by getrag that works for the ecotec...I may have to think about that if I ever get around to manual swap...who wants 5 gears when you can have 6 :p
Auto is for those who have gotten too lazy to shift on their own or the handicapped...just my opinion

[xXManwhoreXx]

Fo dohs do suck! Don't make me post the stalling videos sleepy!

[DJx79x]

Coupe life ftw

[sleepyalero]

All that money for a stick that could go into a complete engine rebuild/turbo. Auto ftw! ;)

to each his own billy!

after lots of searching there is a version of the F-40 that is in the Saab 2.0 turbo that fits the ecotec as well as the F-40 that is in the current Buick regal rs... there is also the 6 speed in the cruze which i believe is made by getrag that works for the ecotec...I may have to think about that if I ever get around to manual swap...who wants 5 gears when you can have 6 :p
Auto is for those who have gotten too lazy to shift on their own or the handicapped...just my opinion

id suggest it, and yes, heres what cars come with the F40


2006 Pontiac G6 GTP
2007 Pontiac G6 GT
Saab 9-3
Saab 9-5
2012 Opel Astra GTC/OPC
2010 Opel Insignia OPC
2010 Chevrolet Cruze
2011+ Buick Regal

Fo dohs do suck! Don't make me post the stalling videos sleepy!

you know now that i know the car more. the car never did go into first. when we did the test run i was starting in third... i found out on the way home the car wouldnt go into first gear. i dicussed with matt about the problem and we landed on the idea that i needed to adjust the shift cablen shortly after. but i couldnt for a little bit so i had to start out in second from a stop. but about 2-3 days ago, i was at my dads and i tried to go into first with the car off, it did, but wouldnt when it was on. so after a couple stop lights on my way home from dads, i'd try to go into first, and it finally starting poppin in. but before that i fiddle with it and tried to get into first, it just wouldnt go. idk why. but it works fine now, no problems since. and consider to call me an idiot, but you or mike also didnt realize i was starting in 3rd on take off. :lol: its unfortunate it happened like that.. but you live and learn....

Coupe life ftw

hater.

[mfuller]

All that money for a stick that could go into a complete engine rebuild/turbo. Auto ftw! ;)
New motor probably being built this winter; I think the auto would say "no way" to 7000rpm upshifts.
3500 heads/~10.85:1 compression/WOT Race cam.
Should be a runner.

[sleepyalero]

New motor probably being built this winter; I think the auto would say "no way" to 7000rpm upshifts.
3500 heads/~10.85:1 compression/WOT Race cam.
Should be a runner.

give me a couple years, ill catch up.

[mfuller]

give me a couple years, ill catch up.
And then pass me.

[tw0123]

New motor probably being built this winter; I think the auto would say "no way" to 7000rpm upshifts.
3500 heads/~10.85:1 compression/WOT Race cam.
Should be a runner.

Not sure about this... iirc Paul (mmgt1) has his set at 7200 for track days and he says he has had no issues with his tranny...

Either way i would love to have the motor that built :)

[mfuller]

Not sure about this... iirc Paul (mmgt1) has his set at 7200 for track days and he says he has had no issues with his tranny...

Either way i would love to have the motor that built :)
I think Paul also got a factory freak - lucky guy.

[sleepyalero]

And then pass me.

Turbo. ;)

here is my driver side tranny mount, had the wheels off, had to repaint the calipers so i snapped a pic.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/3C5F3B77-2637-47CA-B8B9-F480A5490343-37080-00000E59E8B69C42.jpg

[sleepyalero]

they're coming......


http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/B654F9C7-CF24-4CE0-9B94-592ADFC8A54B-37276-00000E6E489F79F7.jpg

[xXManwhoreXx]

You should fab up a hydro tranny kit then you won't have these problems

[sleepyalero]

lol well everything is all good now.

[03Sleepr]

lol well everything is all good now.

so uhhh, when are you finally going to lower that beast?

[sleepyalero]

so uhhh, when are you finally going to lower that beast?

as soon as the money comes around. :lol:

[jawa]

vids or its just a alero with a fancy shifter, and a photoshoped tranny

[sleepyalero]

vids or its just a alero with a fancy shifter, and a photoshoped tranny

yeah it acts as a manual but its still auto. r is reverse, 1 is park, 2 is neutral, 3 is drive, 4 is 1, 5 is 2, and 6 is 3, you just hold the brake and put it in one of those gears and it acts as the auto should, no need to shift, cause its an automatic. still gotta re-label the shifter so im not all confused. ;)






nah.... mfuller and manwhore can totally vouch for me. but i should have a video up within the next week or two.


plus, i couldnt do that good of a photoshop for all that, plus why would i even want to waste my time doing that, when ive got the REAL DEAL sititng in the garage. :rolleyes2: :awesome: :p

[jawa]

I'm jelly

[MMGT1]

Yup, on street tune I run 6600 rpm shift points from 1-2 and 2-3, at the track it's 7-7200.. Keep it to 6600 or less though to be safe guys. I'm a little crazy and was willing to deal the consequences of of things going bad... LOL

And I too am very jealous of your swaps... interior looks right, really right... kudos to you both!!!

[sleepyalero]

I'm jelly

of course you are, you really getting a 6 speed swap? you gonna do it yourself or go through mike? keep in mind hes all the way in Ohio. ;)

if you go through Mike, hes a nice guy and does great work, just keep in mind you might have a little wait like me and Matt did. but you wont be disapointed.

Yup, on street tune I run 6600 rpm shift points from 1-2 and 2-3, at the track it's 7-7200.. Keep it to 6600 or less though to be safe guys. I'm a little crazy and was willing to deal the consequences of of things going bad... LOL

And I too am very jealous of your swaps... interior looks right, really right... kudos to you both!!!

thanks, glad you like it. :) its quite fun. ive got about 700 miles on the transmission so far.

[jawa]

no im just doing a 5 speed when ever this tranny shits

[sleepyalero]

282 swap?

[jawa]

yep

[sleepyalero]

good plan. like no one here really has that swap done, so i approve.

[xXManwhoreXx]

Who's doing the fab work on the shifter linkage and mounts etc... are you doing it or are you paying to have it done

[sleepyalero]

well i got around to taking a little video, roads were a little wet, first pull from 30 the tires were spinning really good, so i slowed back down and eased in 2nd a little less just so they wouldnt spin. enjoy. :)


http://youtu.be/Wdz1apgpqBw

[sleepyalero]

anyone watch the vid yet? lol

[billytheman1188]

Yea man....ur hoe sounds mean! Those pacesetter headers/exhaust and cat delete make it sound goooood. Did you hold the camera the whole time? I'd be worried driving in the rain while holding a camera and doing 70:lol:

[MMGT1]

Pretty cool man... :thumb:

[sleepyalero]

Yea man....ur hoe sounds mean! Those pacesetter headers/exhaust and cat delete make it sound goooood. Did you hold the camera the whole time? I'd be worried driving in the rain while holding a camera and doing 70:lol:

it wasnt raining, yes i had the phone in my left hand and on steering wheel.

it rained about 6 hours before i took the vid, the roads were just a little damp still. i was suprised the tires were gettin loose at the 30 pull lol. gotta try it again when its dry out!

and yeah i love my exhaust lol :)


thanks mmgt1!

[sleepyalero]

i was under the car today, figured id take a couple pics to show you from underneath.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/09F7FABC-370A-4380-ABFA-DC32DE6C9597-37922-000009FE04457298.jpg
http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad58/natesalero/7C1893F3-BD51-4594-BDF2-0F1FA750A2EA-37922-000009FE0B2A43D3.jpg

[a.graham52]

ok, this is fantastic that your showing pics and videos. but i do not recall anywhere you actually describing how it feels to have a v6 n-body with a manual...

[sleepyalero]

ok, this is fantastic that your showing pics and videos. but i do not recall anywhere you actually describing how it feels to have a v6 n-body with a manual...

oh im so so sorry, its actually very fun, and quite a bit faster then with the 4t45e that used to be there..... theres really only two downsides to this swap... 1. there is quite more vibration, but with the mounts he made and the bushing he used (which are far more stiff then poly bushing) it can be a little of an annoyance. but its seemed to quiet down some and ive pretty much gotten used to it, so its not a big deal to me. 2nd... the transmission likes to chatter a bit. but its pretty normal for these, and isnt hurting anything. its just a tad noisy at times... but other then that its fantastic, ive got about 1000 miles on it so far. and it still works great. mike did a swell job on this and its very exciting to own 2/2 3.4L 6 speed alero... :) and i CANT WAIT to go to ass next year with it. im really looking forward to it.

[mfuller]

Maybe it's just the angle of the picture, but I'd be worried about the fuel lines being so close to your exhaust crossover. I'll have to check mine when I get home.
Otherwise, looks and sounds great!

[a.graham52]

does look like there half an inch from the cross over :/

[unchained01]

I would want a rock gaurd for the flywheel

[billytheman1188]

Any noticeable differences in gas mileage?

[mfuller]

I have averaged over 29MPG with the 3000 miles I've put on mine.
Considering that I'm generating ~70HP over stock, I don't think that's too bad.
With my old 4T45-E, average fuel economy was closer to 27MPG.

[sleepyalero]

mines give or take with the egr and no cat and how much im in it lol.

ill have to see how far away it is today, although ive had these headers for a year and a half or so, and its always been sitting right there. still will check and let you guys know

[jawa]

how are u making more power

[xXManwhoreXx]

Not making more power, it just feels more powerful the shorter gears make it accelerate faster.

[mfuller]

how are u making more power
Who was that directed towards?

[sleepyalero]

probably me, because i said in a previous comment that the car seems a little faster then with the auto that was there.

but i could be wrong.

id agree with erics statement too. yet there probably was a small gain in power with the tuning mike did. bur not sure.. someone needs to send me hpt so i can tune the car....... i wonder who...

[a.graham52]

Not making more power, it just feels more powerful the shorter gears make it accelerate faster.

theres more torque and a lot less "slip" with the manual over the auto.

[sleepyalero]

i have noticed its a bit more torquey lol