Turbo Or Super?

[SilverBullet256]

im gonna either go turbo or super but i dont know which one to do, i know i can get a good turbo kit for about 3500 but i honestly dont like the noise of a turbo, so i would lean more towards a super but it is more expensive, so those equal each other out, so the deciding factor would be which one do you think would be better performance wise?

[FutureEcotecOwnerAgain]

i have the 2.2 and i would rather have the supercharger, but like you said its way more expensive. the s/c for my car is like 4900 and the turbo is like 2100, pretty big difference huh?

[FormulaNERD]

i dunno... S/C is REALLY loud.

[SilverBullet256]

i forgot to mention to those who dont know what car i have i have the 3400 v-6

[FutureEcotecOwnerAgain]

to me i somewhat lean towards turbos being for imports and supers being for domestics. but with a turbo for my car at 2100 i'm going for that

[FormulaNERD]

i agree with 03eco.... supercharged is more of an american thing... just expensive.

[SilverBullet256]

http://www.andysautosport.com/products.php...rcharger%20Kits (http://www.andysautosport.com/products.php?id=P99Gra&make=Pontiac&mcat=Turbos%20and%20Superchargers&scat=Supercharger%20Kits)

this is a site i found for a super that is for grand am's but with barely any changes to convert to an alero it would work, but look how expensive it is though... too bad, takes it up about 90 hp :(

[FormulaNERD]

yea, that's the RSM one that they (rsm) has had for a while... street arsenal has one too.

[FormulaNERD]

and even though the 3400 t/c is $3,495.00, it's still a little cheaper, and @9 psi you'll have about 265hp at the wheels.

[SilverBullet256]

so then you are saying the turbo would add more power than the super at a cheaper price?

[FormulaNERD]

all depends on how much psi you put through it, and what engine...

i'm not sure if the s/c is intercooled or not... that also helps the t/c put up better numbers.

[SilverBullet256]

id be willing to put up with the spool of a turbo if it costs more and puts up more power... so now that we have that figured out, what things do i NEED to upgrade and reinforce to handle a turbo?

[FormulaNERD]

depends on how much boost you want... stock engine could handle 5psi for a while, that'll put you at 220 hp at the wheels.

i'd upgrade the fuel system no matter what, the last thing you want is to run lean.

[SilverBullet256]

ok fuel system, rods im guessing, heads, what else?

[FormulaNERD]

how much do you want to spend?

i'm not the best person to ask about this, but i'd also go with forged pistons... hone/port everything possible.

[SilverBullet256]

money is not a factor here, it doesnt really matter to me.

[FormulaNERD]

i've heard plenty of people say that, and nobody does anything.

if money isnt anything id have a shop swap a northstar in there.... or even a 3.5 "shortstar"

[SilverBullet256]

well i just want to customize the stock engine it has, i have a 1968 Z28 with a borred out 454 that i used for total engine swapouts.. it used to have just a normal 350 and i swapped it for a 427 big block and borred it out to about 454.... so anyway, i just want to customize the stock engine of this car so that it can have balls with being itself

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by 03EcotecAlero@Sep 2 2004, 07:56 PM
i have the 2.2 and i would rather have the supercharger, but like you said its way more expensive. the s/c for my car is like 4900 and the turbo is like 2100, pretty big difference huh?
just wait. gm has a kit up their sleeve for you

[FormulaNERD]

well in all honesty, this isnt really a good engine to play with, but i understand what you're saying.

but yea, i'd just upgrade anything and everything... go through street arsenal, rsm, and there was another..... and upgrade any internal parts you can find.

[FormulaNERD]

Originally posted by springs fastest alero+Sep 3 2004, 03:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (springs fastest alero @ Sep 3 2004, 03:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-03EcotecAlero@Sep 2 2004, 07:56 PM
i have the 2.2 and i would rather have the supercharger, but like you said its way more expensive. the s/c for my car is like 4900 and the turbo is like 2100, pretty big difference huh?
just wait. gm has a kit up their sleeve for you [/b][/quote]
yea... gm performance will have the 2.2 s/c available for sale soon... still not very impressive though... maybe with better fuel delivery (bigger injectors, and more line pressure) and a decent tune, it'll put up good numbers.

[SilverBullet256]

what do you think springs, what all should i reinforce if i want to turbo

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by FormulaNERD@Sep 2 2004, 08:25 PM
depends on how much boost you want... stock engine could handle 5psi for a while.
.
stock engine will take 5 psi all its life
I was running 9 for quite a while
sc/ alero has been seeing 9-10 for over a year and has touched 15 before.

none of the sc kits out are intercooled
that makes a difference.
turbo is nice with a nice price.
but there are too many of them running arround this town now.
I'm going sc and intercooler again.
granted I'm making my own kit, it wont cost me much (if any) more than the turbo kit.

[SilverBullet256]

well im in the middle of illinois and no one here even has an upgraded alero at all....so i would be plenty happy with a turbo, so you think i could just put it in with 5 psi and run fine?

[FormulaNERD]

upgrade your fuel system... like i said, the internals can handle it... that's how gm gets away with s/c on all their other cars... low boost to make up for lack of performance.

[SilverBullet256]

ok, id be plenty happy with 220 or so hp, that would be alot faster than almost any car in my town, well except for the porsche carerra, the mach one down the road, and the srt-4, all owned by highschoolers like myself

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by SilverBullet256@Sep 2 2004, 08:40 PM
what do you think springs, what all should i reinforce if i want to turbo
depends on how much ya plan on getting out of it
first is a trans temp gauge, and a good sized cooler.
also what condition is your motor in?

[FormulaNERD]

it wouldnt take much more money to own that srt4... that'd be my goal.

[SilverBullet256]

40,000 miles and all the parts are in nearly new working order, and i have absolutely no problems with any of it

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by FormulaNERD@Sep 2 2004, 08:48 PM
upgrade your fuel system... like i said, the internals can handle it... that's how gm gets away with s/c on all their other cars... low boost to make up for lack of performance.
the turbo kit has an option of a dhp tune
I can get it done for the alero. for stock or larger injectors
the amount of boost you want to run will depend which is the best route

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by SilverBullet256@Sep 2 2004, 08:59 PM
40,000 miles and all the parts are in nearly new working order, and i have absolutely no problems with any of it
check your pm's

[SilverBullet256]

that would be nice, but that is a fast little car, i dont know if he has had some other mods done to it since he got it but i might be able to bat it after a turbo kit and say like new headers, i already have a flowmaster 80 exhaust so i would at leas be able to keep up with it

[overdrive75]

For the push rod 3400, with it haveing decent torque across the whole curve I would go with the super charger, as you are making boost right at idle, you don't need to spin the motor up to spin up the turbo. Just my opinion, but a supercharger would be better for this application than a turbo. I mean face it the 3400 isn't a high reving motor, so supercharger would be the best choice.

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by overdrive75@Sep 3 2004, 04:27 AM
For the push rod 3400, with it haveing decent torque across the whole curve I would go with the super charger, as you are making boost right at idle, you don't need to spin the motor up to spin up the turbo. Just my opinion, but a supercharger would be better for this application than a turbo. I mean face it the 3400 isn't a high reving motor, so supercharger would be the best choice.
totally agree ;)
thats why I'm going with a whipple.
really good off the line and still a decent top end B)

[shortstar]

^^^ spings Im still saving money for this summer lol if things keep goin how they are Ill have enough cash to buy your S/C kit. cant wait ti see details of your rebuilt engine. I have a little over 2 grand saved up now. Money is coming in a little slower than Id like but thats because Ive been partying a lot more than I thought I would and the booze is expensive lol. Still gaining money overall though not loosing any, so keep us updated on your new s/c kit and all Id like to here how it works out so I can hopefully buy one this summer.

[shortstar]

^^^ this coming summer I mean

[alero440]

How can someone not like the blow off of a turbo. That noise just makes peoples heads turn were as a supercharger sounds like a squeaky belt. Go Turbo, it's cool to have a snail under the hood!

[Redog]

I hope your not looking at the t/c kit from "ITS" I contacted them about the t/c and asked about a PCM upgrade. They said I didn't need one :huh?: Which is BS.

The PCM needs to be upgraded to support the more fuel, and exhaust a t/c makes

[FormulaNERD]

well technically it would run, i just dont know for how long. lol.

but yea, the price includes the cost of a dhp tune, so i dont know why they'd tell you that.... you should look into getting it from someone else. JD's Performance (http://www.jdsperformance.com/index.asp?fcmd=item&initemuid=591)

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by alero440@Sep 3 2004, 12:55 PM
How can someone not like the blow off of a turbo. That noise just makes peoples heads turn were as a supercharger sounds like a squeaky belt. Go Turbo, it's cool to have a snail under the hood!
they loose novelty fast and get really annoying
everyone has one here. nothing speacial
never herd a belt squeal sound like an sc.

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by FormulaNERD@Sep 3 2004, 04:58 PM
well technically it would run, i just dont know for how long. lol.

but yea, the price includes the cost of a dhp tune, so i dont know why they'd tell you that.... you should look into getting it from someone else. JD's Performance (http://www.jdsperformance.com/index.asp?fcmd=item&initemuid=591)
ITS is a different company. DONT buy a turbo kit from them
go with hp if your going to get a turbo

[FormulaNERD]

diff company, same turbo kit.

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by FormulaNERD@Sep 3 2004, 08:06 PM
diff company, same turbo kit.
different turbo kit too
its came out first
hp was designed later

[FormulaNERD]

i dont know anything about the ITS, i should have been more specific, the HP and the link i posted to jd's.... same kit.

[-Alero-]

well these t/c come in 5psi and 9psi, how would you upgrade it to oh say 12? and why would you need new piston rods? i could understand new piston heads but not rods :wacko:

[FormulaNERD]

boost controller.... more fuel...

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by FormulaNERD@Sep 4 2004, 11:03 PM
boost controller.... more fuel...
bingo...
actually only one kit
same kit will make 5 and 9 and more psi
they just cranked it up ;)

[-Alero-]

oh ok, you think its safe to run 12 psi?

[alero440]

Originally posted by springs fastest alero+Sep 3 2004, 09:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (springs fastest alero @ Sep 3 2004, 09:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-alero440@Sep 3 2004, 12:55 PM
How can someone not like the blow off of a turbo. That noise just makes peoples heads turn were as a supercharger sounds like a squeaky belt. Go Turbo, it's cool to have a snail under the hood!
they loose novelty fast and get really annoying
everyone has one here. nothing speacial
never herd a belt squeal sound like an sc. [/b][/quote]
Oh I have... Turbo all the way.

[Youngblood77]

I'd go turbo because I'm a broke bitch, but if money were no object.....s/c all the way


I got a sweet t-shirt that says:

" Injection is nice, but I'd rather be blown"

maybe i'll wear it to the N. Falls meet. B)

[2000NavyAleroGLS]

Supercharging is a lot nicer because you have the power right now. It may not add as power but it gives you the power right now. Torbos you will have to wait a second or two for the rpms.

[FormulaNERD]

ehhh, with turbo systems nowadays there is very little turbo lag. it's not realy even a factor anymore.

[-Alero-]

yeah i'd definatly like to put a snail under my hood. no one would even expect it, because how many aleros do you see daily that have some boost? but if you want you can buy different blow off valves and you can make them really loud or very quite

[springs fastest alero]

turbo is still a turbo, loud or quiet still not for me.