Engine build

[Hellfire5670]

So i want to build up my engine but people keep talking down the Alero telling me it's a waste of time ):! But i say Screw them! I have had a bit of help from Shiwnath in a previous forum but now im really serious about this and need as much help as i can get! I'm wanting to order my CAI tomorrow as soon as i deposit my check. I am also wanting to get the Stage 3 performance kit for WOT-Tech and wonder if i need the HD tranny? Anyway help me out!

[JLw7123]

well depends if you want to boost or not. how much power are u looking to have. Also do you have a big budget to buy all of this stuff because it can add up quickly. you are looking to spend more than 3000 just on the engine build. The stage 3 kit does not include pistons ,rods, crankshaft, piston rings, 65MM TB. If you are just going to build the engine and not boost i would say no to the 4t65eHD tranny.

[Hellfire5670]

See i was looking at a turbo kit but thats not going to come for a while ( im sure you know why) and i know im looking to spend a lot but happiness doesn't come cheap! and i looked what the kit comes with i just wanna know what else would be recommended?

[JLw7123]

pistons, rods, headers and exhaust, crankshaft, piston rings, billet engine mounts. HP tuners, A/F ratio gauge oil pressure gauge, water temp gauge.

[sleepyalero]

mine gets talked down on too saying its a waste of time, idc i love my car and one day she will be a sleeper.... and people will bow to it....



:posi:

[kwhauck]

Your stock tranny should be fine for awhile. People don't give the 45 enough credit for what it holds.

[03Sleepr]

well depends if you want to boost or not. how much power are u looking to have. Also do you have a big budget to buy all of this stuff because it can add up quickly. you are looking to spend more than 3000 just on the engine build. The stage 3 kit does not include pistons ,rods, crankshaft, piston rings, 65MM TB. If you are just going to build the engine and not boost i would say no to the 4t65eHD tranny.

I agree with all of this..except holding out on the trans, with the stage 3 kit (even N/A) your still looking at some good power. I would rather upgrade to the 4t65eHD and have a spare sitting or sell my 4t45e instead of smoking the 45..

4t45e was only made to withstand 205 ft lbs. you will be over that.

[Hellfire5670]

mine gets talked down on too saying its a waste of time, idc i love my car and one day she will be a sleeper.... and people will bow to it....



:posi:

Hahaha yes! i wanna make a sleeper but i also want to make something that looks and is fast! So im going with appearance and engine... maybe buy another alero...

[[ion] C2]

Hahaha yes! i wanna make a sleeper but i also want to make something that looks and is fast! So im going with appearance and engine... maybe buy another alero...
Start with engine first, you'll find that after all the time you spend learning about things and making it happen, you might not want to do any crazy visual modifications. Need to learn to keep it subtle.

[sleepyalero]

dont rush it though, do one step at a time haha.

[Shiwnath]

A stage 3 kit should be pretty fun.. Thats what I'm going to be aiming for in Spring/Summer.... Along with a 5 speed swap.

[kwhauck]

C2;601837']Start with engine first, you'll find that after all the time you spend learning about things and making it happen, you might not want to do any crazy visual modifications. Need to learn to keep it subtle.

I agree!!

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[Hellfire5670]

looking at the stage 3 kit a realllllllllllllllllllllllyyyyy want it but gonna get the cheaper things first :P

[[ion] C2]

A stage 3 kit should be pretty fun
I wonder what stage I'm on

stages are silly ^_^

[Hellfire5670]

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/00-02-04-05-GRAND-AM-Alero-V6-COLD-AIR-INTAKE-3p-K-N-/330503152939?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories &hash=item4cf385e52b Ordering this tomorrow if anyone else can't find me something better
I also want a great sound from them inside the fender well how will it sound?

[Shiwnath]

C2;601854']I wonder what stage I'm on

stages are silly ^_^

LOL tell that to Ben.. I call it what its called.. All I know is that the Stage number means that it's taken to a whole 'notha level..(usually)

As for which stage you're on? Currently the one where shit keeps breaking :P

Also Hellfire you should look at the 3400/3500 Hybrid package... Cant argue with 3500 cylinder heads.

[Hellfire5670]

Yes i was looking at that im not sure what i want! I want HP Hp Hp HP! buttt i want that HP to be put to good use..

[Shiwnath]

Yes i was looking at that im not sure what i want! I want HP Hp Hp HP! buttt i want that HP to be put to good use..

Exactly why you would want 3500 heads/3500 lower intake mani instead of 3400 heads/3400 intake mani... A Better design for better flow.

[Hellfire5670]

ok what i don't get is the core thing do i send my stuff in? and if i get the 3500 then ill have to pay that extra?

[JLw7123]

well if u want hp build the engine and then boost.

[Hellfire5670]

well if u want hp build the engine and then boost.

my plan :P but turbo kit is expensive

[JLw7123]

my plan :P but turbo kit is expensive

make your own turbo kit it will be cheaper.

[Hellfire5670]

make your own turbo kit it will be cheaper.

well if i get a 3500 hybrid would it be cheaper... and what would i need to make my own kit?

[Shiwnath]

ok what i don't get is the core thing do i send my stuff in? and if i get the 3500 then ill have to pay that extra?

Thats a question you could email Ben for. He's quite quick when it comes to responding to emails.

But yeah.. When I looked at the 3400 stage 3 kit, i overlooked the fact that it uses 3400 heads.. The 3400/3500 hybrid kit is more desirable to me.

[JLw7123]

turbo, turbo manifold, Blow off valve, wastegate, intercooler, intercooler piping, oil pan tap oil feed and drain lines, downpipe, bigger injectors, boost gauge, boost controller.

[Hellfire5670]

turbo, turbo manifold, Blow off valve, wastegate, intercooler, intercooler piping, oil pan tap oil feed and drain lines, downpipe, bigger injectors, boost gauge, boost controller.

yeah and how much is that gonna cost :P

[03Sleepr]

I remember seeing somewhere (60degree I think) that Ben said race ported 3400 heads flowed better than race/boost 3500 heads.

[JLw7123]

yeah and how much is that gonna cost :P

you have to do some research and find out.

[Hellfire5670]

If i got the 3500 would that make it easier or harder to find parts for a turbo kit

[MMGT1]

Hey guys, anyone with the 3500 job done break the 13's yet NA?

[JLw7123]

If i got the 3500 would that make it easier or harder to find parts for a turbo kit

no harder.

[Hellfire5670]

well im looking to turbo in the future so ill stick with 3400

[Shiwnath]

well im looking to turbo in the future so ill stick with 3400

If you bought a 3400 turbo kit... The 3500 heads and LIM would still work...

[Redog]

Going turbo, you'll want low compression. Ion is the guy to talk to about what CR you should run. You'll need Commetic head gaskets. Check out wot-tech.com and have fun

Is the Alero worth it, no. But then again, is it worth it to build up a 92 Civic, no but people do it anyway

[Shiwnath]

Is the Alero worth it, no. But then again, is it worth it to build up a 92 Civic, no but people do it anyway

That's purely based on opinion not fact. Modding cars is a hobby and like any hobby it can be expensive. If you lack interest in modding your car then obviously its not worth it.

Hobbies are about doing what makes you happy, not about how much it costs. If it costs too much, then don't take up that hobby.

What makes the Alero appealing to a lot of people is because Alero modding isn't main stream...

Its all about personal preference.

[mfuller]

It's a lot harder to make power naturally aspirated (and keep it streetable) than it would be if you threw boost at it. Trust me.....I'm going the hard way (again) and I'll be lucky to get 300HP at the flywheel.
If I had a chance to start over, I'd probably just go the turbo/intercooler route......and a different transmission shortly thereafter.

People will scoff at it, but there is a nice-looking Grand Am on another site. He had the motor built, threw in a turbo and intercooler, and a fortified 4T65E-HD tranny.
It made 400WHP a short time ago.
People will argue that it should be making more (it's at 21psi I think), and that may be true, but that's still a ton of power in this small car.

[7502wh33ls]

Is the Alero worth it, no. But then again, is it worth it to build up a 92 Civic, no but people do it anyway

Hahaha love it thats hilarious im learning alot just reading in on you guys good tips. Btw good luck with build,

[Black_Mamba]

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/00-02-04-05-GRAND-AM-Alero-V6-COLD-AIR-INTAKE-3p-K-N-/330503152939?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories &hash=item4cf385e52b Ordering this tomorrow if anyone else can't find me something better
I also want a great sound from them inside the fender well how will it sound?

mine should be here by november 30th, ordered it the other day :rolleyes2:

[JLw7123]

i just made my intake but i have access to intake piping.

[Hellfire5670]

Well the HID 's i ordered here in the city were 210 a set...... screw that.....
If i get this stage 3 kit what are some things i WILL need? im thinking about buying it afterr Christmas, and I got to wait till the 5th to get my CAI now -.-

Hahaha love it thats hilarious im learning alot just reading in on you guys good tips. Btw good luck with build,

Thanks :D