secret cam swap advice

[whiterider00]

so im doing the secret cam swap (along with a bigger tb, and lightweight crank pulley) this weekend. i was hoping to get some advice from those who have done it before. this will be my first internal engine work, and im a bit nervous. been reading the haynes manual, and it doesnt seem all that difficult, but you never know. is there anything i should watch out for, or make sure i do? any specific tools or supplies i need that i might not think of?

i bought new chain guides, tensioner shoe, and gaskets for the cam carriers and timing chain cover. hopefully thats all i need. the engine has nearly 200k miles (if its original, and i have no reason to think otherwise), and hopefully everything else (sprockets and chain) are in good shape.

im thinking (hoping) this will be a 4-5 hour job tops. i am mechanically inclined, and have a buddy helping me who has done engine work before (on a honda), so hopefully that estimate is close.

also, another question i had. while the engine mount is out, im going to be filling it with urethane as noted on the aleromod upgrades site. however, the how-to for it isnt done. is it as simple as: remove rubber, squirt in urethane? and is it a noticable difference in performance and noticable vibration in the car?

so, now that ive got all those questions out there, and a little over a day to get a response, hopefully some of the geniuses on this site respond. thanks in advance.

[heineck]

just make sure u time it right when u put it back together. its a little scary at first but if u folow the directions its real easy and youll be like shit that was nothing. theres a great how to in the LD9 overhaul PDF ion has.
just take ur time and dont lose anything and torque everything to spec. make sure to use threadlocker on the camsprocket bolts when reassembling. did u get a timing cover gasket? might as well if ur doing all that plus its new and blue and sticks out lol. read the instructions and take ur time. its cake :thumb:

[whiterider00]

you have a link to that pdf? i did get a new timing chain cover gasket, and cam tower gaskets, mine are all leaky. ill just have to get some threadlock and should be all set.

any reason i would need rtv for the gaskets. ive heard a cpl people say to use it on the chain cover because it can leak. thet might have been using the old one tho. anyway, thanks for the help al.

[heineck]

i didnt use rtv and with a new timing cover gasket u shouldnt have to. i saw u got a new tensioner shoe but did u get the actual tensioner itself? i would highly recommend doing that.


2.4L Engine Overhaul (http://ion-productions.com/2000_2_4_Engine_Overhaul.pdf)

[whiterider00]

Ok. Ill pick up a new tensioner too.

[[ion] C2]

No RTV. Tensioner is a good idea. Re-use the timing cover gasket.

Use the link he posted above as your instruction manual.

DRAW WITH AN OIL/PAINT PEN TWO MARKS ON EACH OF THE CAM SPROCKETS AND CHAIN, AND CRANKSHAFT SPROCKET AND CHAIN.

You will need it for reassembly. It's real easy to get it wrong. With the marks you know it's right.

Filling the engine mount? I don't remember if it's feasible. I think it's one huge rubber block, can't recall off-hand. Fill the transmission mount instead. Make a huge difference for me. The engine is bolted to the trans, so.. stiffen one and the whole thing gets stiffer.

[alero_bmxer]

Filling the engine mount? I don't remember if it's feasible. I think it's one huge rubber block, can't recall off-hand. .

it is i did it to mine there is a hole on each side of the mount.

[whiterider00]

C2;595412']No RTV. Tensioner is a good idea. Re-use the timing cover gasket.

Use the link he posted above as your instruction manual.

Fill the transmission mount instead. Make a huge difference for me.

getting the tensioner when i pick up the other stuff tomorrow. my timing chain cover has oil residue around the entire outside surface, and on the gasket, so it probly should be replaced. and i already bought it, so it is going to be replaced. lol

gonna print out the necessary pages from that pdf and have it right next to me.

ill look into filling the trans mount instead. everything ive seen tho talks about filling the one on the side of the engine. how much vibration do you get from having urethane in the mount? is it a noticable difference?

ill make sure i post up pics once its done. hopefully all goes smoothly. thanks for the help everyone

[zearchyo]

take pics of the process

[whiterider00]

so started this around noon today. it is now almost 8, and i still do not have the crank pulley off. i cannoy get it to move at all. big breaker bar, plus heat, equals jack shit. all of my weight on it and nothing. its the only thing keeping me from getting the timing chain cover off and everything else done. so much for a 4hr job.

[heineck]

go rent a puller dude. not one with the claws get one of these. bolt it up and bam its out in 5 mins
http://www.pepboys.com/images/tools/tools_modal_pic_27187.jpg

[whiterider00]

I forgot to say that i cant get the bolt loose. Not the pulley. Cant pull on the pulley if theres still a big fucking bolt holding it on. Heat, plus all my weight on a 4ft bar, and its not budging. its starting to upset me.

[[ion] C2]

weird.. try an impact? what are you holding the pulley still with?

[whiterider00]

first a flathead screwdriver. until the handle sheared right off. then a wrench. then i got a 3/4 in thick 2ft long pry bar. ive heated the bolt for a cpl minutes, then used a breaker bar with the handle from the jack on it for leverage. its actually torquing the entire engine in the mounts, but not loosening. also broke an extension already. my friend is getting a longer one so we dont have to use 3 shorter ones. maybe thatll help.

[heineck]

yea i tried with a breaker it wasnt working, i had to break out the impact gun. hopefully once u get it off u dont have an issue with getting the pulley off.

[whiterider00]

buddy has an impact gun and small compressor hes gonna bring over. hopefully the pulley comes off too. not too worried about damaging it, got a lightweight one going on. and i found out the last chain guide i had to order from autozone wont be in until monday. so the car still wont be running til then.

might as well pull all the mounts and urethane them. engine mount is already and front trans mount looks pretty simple to access. how tough is the rear trans mount? even worth doing that one or just the front?

[whiterider00]

took some pics since i cant do any more work til i get the impact gun.

im seriously thinking about painting the cam carrier covers, and timing chain housing neon green to go with my calipers and interior lights. then toss the black and brushed alum "high output" idi cover on.
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0181.jpg

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0194.jpg

large qty of oil between the cam towers:
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0193.jpg

and on the side of the engine:
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0183.jpg

turns out, both of the cam housing to head gaskets are shot. this explains the 1-2qt loss of oil between changes

the bolt thats making my life hell:
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0185.jpg

old (52mm) vs. new (56mm) throttle body:
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0188.jpg

and the mounting issue im having with it:
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0187.jpg

more pics tomorrow hopefully of inside, assuming i get the crank bolt and pulley off.

[Philbar71]

Oh my you think thats alot of oil between your cam towers? Mine has enough oil in between to puddle up and run down in to the sparkplugs. lol

[whiterider00]

so its 1 a.m. and i was bored, and i cant go any farther with the cam swap til tomorrow, so i decided to remove the tranny mount so i can fill it with urethane. piece of cake to get out. heres how bad it is:

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0204.jpg

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0203.jpg

making this one solid piece should help a bit. hopefully.

[heineck]

i see the prob. u drank the beers before the job was done :lol:
u cant have a beer till ur finished and making the eff yea face

[whiterider00]

i had a strange feeling someone was gonna say something about that lol. unfortunately those arent from this job. probly wouldnt be such a pain in the ass if they were tho.

[Philbar71]

Do you have pics of the tranny mount filled in?

And what did you use to fill it?

[whiterider00]

Not yet. Going to get the stuff soon. Its 3m windo weld. Stuff used to hold in windshields. It cures to a very strong, yet slightly flexible material. Im sure itll help since that one mount is nearly broken in half.

[whiterider00]

trans mount filled:

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0206.jpg

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0207.jpg

definitely be better than the cracked rubber.

[whiterider00]

finally got that motherfucking crank pulley bolt loose. took another shot at it with a new, heavier duty extension, and 6 point socket. if it wasnt nearly 3 a.m. i would start the cam swap, but after a 10 hour work day, im beat. hopefully get it done tomorrow. ill be sure to post pics of everything.

heres the bolt, finally out:
http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0214.jpg

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0212.jpg

[Philbar71]

Hmmm you have convinced me to go to my local junkyard and get some trans and motor mounts and fill them :D

[whiterider00]

Motor mount (on the left side), theres really not much to fill. I shot a bunch of the urethane into the 2 small holes in the top metal piece, but itll make minimal difference. The 2 trans mounts are whats gonna feel different. Like i said before, the front one is shot, so filling it will make a big difference. Rear one looks fine, and is a pain to get to, so im gonna try to fill it while its still in the car. If i can get it completely filled in, fantastic. If not, eh.

[Papa Rad17]

That thing is going to kick some ass when it's done.

[whiterider00]

i was finally able to work on the car for a decent amount of time after work tonight. started around 12:45 with trying to get the crank pulley off, stopped right around 4 (yes 4 a.m.) with the timing components removed, and cam covers and cams removed. i really wish the cam tower to head gaskets were good, because i really dont feel like going any deeper, but the intake gasket is leaking horribly, so thatll be tomorrows job. along with reinstalling everything.

pics, in somewhat chronological order:

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0225.jpg

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0226.jpg

i have a feeling this engine has had some work done to it (chain,guides, maybe tensioner) or its a newer engine, because the car has nearly 200k miles on it, and theres at most 1/2mm of wear in the chain guides. they all look pretty good. so that means im returning a lot of the parts i bought.
pics of the guides:

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0227.jpg

all the parts laid out:

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0238.jpg

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0233.jpg

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0237.jpg

gonna try to get some sleep so i can finish this before work tomorrow.

[Philbar71]

Awesome stuff dude! Are you replacing the lifters?

[whiterider00]

Nope. Just the cams. Everything ive taken apart so far looks good, so no sense replacing it. Definitely not 197k miles on this engine tho.

[[ion] C2]

Definitely not 197k miles on this engine tho.
Sure looks like there is.

[zearchyo]

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0227.jpg

some what of a noob question!but what are these?

[[ion] C2]

chain guides, they keep the chain from slopping around

[whiterider00]

C2;595981']Sure looks like there is.

I mean, im sure there is that milage on the engine, and most of the internals, but all the timing stuff looks close to new. Plus a handful of the bolts on the chain cover were barely hand tight, so im assuming someone did some work in there. The rest of the engine isnt in as good shape tho. Lots of leaks.

[[ion] C2]

To me, all the timing stuff looks really old. The guides are the only thing that look new. Whoever owned it previously probably did the recommended timing chain job at whatever interval.

Compared to mine, which technically has like.... 35,000 miles:

http://ion-productions.com/headGasket3/14.jpg

http://ion-productions.com/headGasket3/5.jpg

[zearchyo]

C2;595990']chain guides, they keep the chain from slopping around

thanks man :awesome:

[Philbar71]

So a question about lifters... Is it important that they be replaced when swapping in a different cam. Or is that only when a brand new cam is used?

[heineck]

as long as theyre still in order ur fine but if u get the order all jumbled up ur gunna get left with lifter tick

[Philbar71]

The lifters do not need to be removed for a cam swap correct?

[whiterider00]

dont have to be. but im taking everything apart to replace all the gaskets and clean everything up. ill post a few more pics up of what ive done (am doing) tonight.

[whiterider00]

Ooooohh, green!

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0246.jpg

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0250.jpg

i want the timing chain cover green too, but its a pain to take off. im gonna do my best to clean, mask, and paint it while still on the engine.

minimal sleep + minimal food + high concentrations of degreaser and spray paint fumes = me in bed. more pics tomorrow.

[Philbar71]

oh my that is green for sure. lol

[whiterider00]

MOAR GREEN!!

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0256-1.jpg

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0255.jpg

turned out pretty well. i had it taped off a lot better than in the pic, so theres not overspray all over the place. should look really nice once its all back together with my new black and aluminum high output idi cover on top. think im gonna paint the tb while im at it. its pretty corroded.

[Philbar71]

lol just hurry up and get them cams in! :D

[whiterider00]

3 month old baby and 10hr work days on second shift make it difficult lol. gonna be back together today. hopefully ill have my lightweight crank pulley in the mail today.

[zearchyo]

did u ever fix the t/b issues u had?

[whiterider00]

Not yet. Its just a matter of triming some plastic.

[whiterider00]

i give up. no matter what, i always get screwed when it comes to projects like this. planned on reinstalling everything tonight, and probably starting the car up tomorrow. not happening.

first, i cant seem to get the camshaft to sit right in the timing side, so it doesnt sit level at all. so i pretty much have this done:

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0257.jpg

next, i went to do the same to the intake side. open the package with the gaskets, and suprise! exhaust gasket instead of the intake:

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0259.jpg

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0260.jpg

the obvious difference between the two old gaskets:

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0258.jpg

off to autozone in the morning to get the right one. and hopefully get the cams to sit right. i cannot wait for this clusterfuck to be over.

[zearchyo]

sh!#@!t happens man

[[ion] C2]

The cams don't "sit right" until you bolt down the covers...

[whiterider00]

C2;596155']The cams don't "sit right" until you bolt down the covers...

i cant seem to get it in far enough to even get the cover on. ill try again today when im not exhausted and fuzzy from spraypaint fumes.

[Papa Rad17]

i cant seem to get it in far enough to even get the cover on. ill try again today when im not exhausted and fuzzy from spraypaint fumes.

lol. thats wwwaaayyy deeper then id want to go by myself but thats awesome! I really like the green.

[whiterider00]

well, got the cam housings all back together. but not after 3 tries for the exhaust, including dropping half the lifters on the ground. friend helping me left, so i figured id give the reassembly of the timing components a shot. i cant seem to get the chain all the way onto the cam gears no matter how i try running it. ill have to try again in the morning when im not exhausted.

i did manage to get everything else back together. and it looks damn good. i also got the tb all trimmed so it moves freely. only issue now is the ball at the end of the throttle cable is too big and hitting the intake manifold. heres a couple pics:

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0267.jpg

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0266.jpg

God willing, everything will be finished at some point tomorrow, and i can finally drive the damn thing. goodnight.

[Papa Rad17]

Very nice! Love to see a vid when you are done. Awesome work.

[zearchyo]

looking good

[whiterider00]

timing chain is back in, timed perfectly, cover on. i was happy for about 2 min. until i tried to bolt on the engine mount. i have no idea how i got it off, but there is no way the bottom of the 3 bolts is going back on. there isnt enough space btwn the engine and side of the engine bay for the bolt, let alone a ratchet to tighten it. i really dont know how i got it off, or how im gonna get it back on. i can just use the top 2 right? kidding. anyway, ill give that another shot tomorrow. i just finished messing with the tb, and now everything operates nicely and clears the intake mani by a hair. heres a pic of it all back together (minus that mount):

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0273.jpg

mount/bolt:

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0274.jpg

oh, other random issue. took this piece off old tb:

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0275.jpg

cant find a spot for it on the new one. again, something to do tomorrow. trying to get to sleep before 3a.m. once this week.

[Papa Rad17]

Oh come on! Having extra parts let to over just means that tour that good at putting it back together!

[whiterider00]

well, still not done. the bar i used to keep the crank pulley from moving while tightening the bolt is somehow stuck and i cannot get it loose. the bolt backs out before the whole pulley moves. anyway, that little plastic vacuum line i posted up there went from the fpr to the tb. the 2.3l tb doesnt have a nipple for it to go onto. is this a huge issue not having it? i have no idea what its for, or whatll happen if its not on. im really starting to wish i didnt even bother with this project. i have the shittiest luck when it comes to stuff like this that should be fairly simple. maybe...maybe i can drive it to work tomorrow. 11 days after starting the goddamned thing.

[colonel6632]

that line goes from the fuel rail to the intake tubing on my car.

2.2 eco. i can take a picture of you want for reference. i know yours is a 2.4, might be the same

[heineck]

that little one runs off ur FPR on the fuel rail on the 2.4

[whiterider00]

What happens if its not connected? Theres no spot for it to plug onto on the 2.3tb i put on.

[whiterider00]

Nvm. Cant run with out it. Gonna hav to find somewhere to tap into for vacuum.

[colonel6632]

weld a bung onto your intake, and use a small rubber line

[whiterider00]

Doesnt it hav to be after the tb, or no? If not, ill just put it into the rubber coupler at the tb.

[Papa Rad17]

Doesnt it hav to be after the tb, or no? If not, ill just put it into the rubber coupler at the tb.

I wouldn't think it would matter if it's before or after. I would say the rubber coupling would be best though.

[Philbar71]

Doesnt it hav to be after the tb, or no? If not, ill just put it into the rubber coupler at the tb.

Go to an autoparts store and get a Vacum T-line and use the vac lines thats already there. that what i did

[[ion] C2]

the bar i used to keep the crank pulley from moving while tightening the bolt is somehow stuck and i cannot get it loose. the bolt backs out before the whole pulley moves.

Torque it to spec (127 ft-lb I think) and it will rotate the pulley backwards as intended... I got my jam-bar stuck a few times too..

I wouldn't think it would matter if it's before or after.
*INSERT FACEPALM*
Hell yes it matters, it's supposed to be sensing the amount of vacuum. Every fitting on the throttle body can be considered "post-TB." They're all on the intake manifold side of the throttle plate.

Use a plastic T fitting and tee it off another hose... how was everything connected fine before and now it's not?

[[ion] C2]

i was happy for about 2 min. until i tried to bolt on the engine mount. i have no idea how i got it off, but there is no way the bottom of the 3 bolts is going back on. there isnt enough space btwn the engine and side of the engine bay for the bolt, let alone a ratchet to tighten it. i really dont know how i got it off, or how im gonna get it back on.

Jack up the engine like you're supposed to (assuming it's got a jack under it, which it should right now if the mount is not bolted on.. and the engine will quit leaning to the passenger side.. and give you enough room to insert the bolt.

Once I got the timing cover off and out I always reinstalled the mount so I wouldn't have to have the jack under there forever.


well, got the cam housings all back together. but not after 3 tries for the exhaust, including dropping half the lifters on the ground.
You thoroughly cleaned them and then soaked them in oil before reinstalling them right? Since they probably aren't in the same spot as before, you might have a minor tick. I dropped a couple first time I did it.

Don't forget to unplug the IDI and pull the fuel pump relay and crank it a lot before deciding to fully start it.

[heineck]

C2;596429']Jack up the engine like you're supposed to (assuming it's got a jack under it, which it should right now if the mount is not bolted on.. and the engine will quit leaning to the passenger side.. and give you enough room to insert the bolt.

Once I got the timing cover off and out I always reinstalled the mount so I wouldn't have to have the jack under there forever.



You thoroughly cleaned them and then soaked them in oil before reinstalling them right?.


i hope so

[whiterider00]

T fitting. Why the hell didnt i think of that. So simple.

Ion: i tried jacking up, lowering, doing everything with the engine. Still no room. Ill try again later. I did clean them really well, but didnt soak them in oil. There was a ton in tge cam tower tho. Hopefully enough to get everything lubed.

Pulling the relay and idi plug while cranking, just to get it lubed with out fuel or spark?

Im praying to god i can drive to work tomorrow.

[whiterider00]

so i finally got the bar free from the crank pulley, and got the pulley torqued down. got the serpentine belt back on (which was harder than getting the bar free), and got the motor mount bolts all in. the wheel is back on the car, and oil is in the engine. i pulled the idi harness and fuel pump relay like ion said and cranked it for about a minute. ill do more when its not 4 a.m. i double checked, and i dont have any extra nuts bolts or other pieces. and im not missing any. not even for the fender liner or shit like that. the only bad thing, is when that bar got stuck in the pulley, it completely crushed the aluminum a/c line behind it. im debating weather to replace it, or do away with the whole system and get the a/c delete pulley. my compressor clutch already rattles like hell, and i rarely if ever use the a/c, so its a thought. anyway, im done rambling, heres a couple shots of the somewhat cleaner bay, enjoy:

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0277.jpg

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0278.jpg

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd366/jelawrence_1986/IMAG0279.jpg

[[ion] C2]

A minute is long enough lol, I think I usually crank for like 10 seconds just to make sure oil is circulated a bit, otherwise you get a nasty noise for a split second. I had that happen once too..

[whiterider00]

its alive! started it up a little while ago. took a few seconds, but fired up with out any issue. i let it get up to operating temp then took it for a short drive. theres a lot more vibration because of the filled in mounts, but everything feels pretty good. didnt get on the gas, so i dont really know the performance increase yet.

couple things that arent so great. the crank pulley seems to be ever so slightly warped or bent cuz it wobbles maybe 1/16 in off center. also, i have a ses light on. getting it scanned later. at least its drivable. yay!

[Papa Rad17]

Just wait, the light is for intake air sensor, if forgot to plug that thing in sssooooo many times. Should defiantly get a vid up though once you get on the gas.

[whiterider00]

No, the code was p0107. Something about map sensor pressure. I cleared it and hasnt been back since. Drove a bit more, and everything seems good. There was a spot on the ground directly beneath the oil pan, but i cant see it dripping from anywhere. For all i know the spot was already there. Lol. Ill try to post a vid tomorrow.

[heineck]

^ make sure ur MAP sensors plugged in tight n right. that can really fcuk shit up. it made my car miss like mad and almost made me doubt my timing Glad it worked out for you though. and of course the obligatory
http://dc356.4s.io/img/cbMamrol/s7/fuck-yea.png

[whiterider00]

ya, everything is plugged in good now, and it runs really good. actually starts quite a bit smoother and quicker than before. only issue i have is oil leaking out of the lift bracket thats on the exhaust cam tower. the gasket might not be in right or something. ill have to check it out in the morning. i am so glad its finally done tho.

[Philbar71]

Hows it feel? Any major difference?

[zearchyo]

Hows it feel? Any major difference?

x2

[whiterider00]

Not a ton of difference low end, but midrange (2500-4500) or so has a noticably stronger pull. Starts a lot quicker and smoother now too. Which is kinda odd.

[Philbar71]

And thats with the 2.3TB also? What other mods?

[whiterider00]

2.3 tb (56mm), secret cams, full cold air intake, full 2.5in header back exhaust. Lightweight crank pulley going on if i ever get it in the damn mail.

[Philbar71]

How does it feel in the top end? Like 5800 RPMs and up?

[whiterider00]

Honestly, i havent really gotten on it yet. I want to fix the slight oil leak and make sure everything is solid first.

[Oldsman]

the cams and TB help in the mid to high RPM range. This where their power band is.

Good job on the work. I did mine 4 yrs ago been loving the swap and stuff since

[whiterider00]

thanks. im pissed it took over a week, and that nearly everything gave me issues, but im glad i did it. if for nothing more than the experience. extra hp doesnt hurt either.

[Philbar71]

Yeah when I did the TB I noticed that at around 3k there was alot more pull. And better throttle response. i think cams are next

[whiterider00]

Its not that hard. I just happen to b partially retarded, and have aweful luck. If it goes smoothly, theres no reason it shouldnt b a 5hr job. Or less.

[zearchyo]

i may end up doing this, i think.

[whiterider00]

Pretty sure soneones selling a set for $60 in the bazzar. Thats a great price. Got mine for $90. Id check it out.

[zearchyo]

yeah i just got to do more research, here on the forums write-up