Shadow turbo

[the_weber]

So my boss is talking to me about her sons car he left when he went to college. a beater Dodge Shadow and Im thinking whatever because it doesnt even move. Then it kinda popped into my head some of those were supercharged and turbocharged. Said i could have the whole car for free. Is there any possible way to put ta supercharger/turbo from it onto another vehicle. namely my ld9

[Chris2000]

the nicest way i can put my thoughts every time i read your garbage is
i hate you.

[the_weber]

Wait are u the same guy who was harrasing me on my first post?

[the_weber]

Redog theres a reason no one else important has jumped in on this thread. This thread is useless.

1. There's no reason to be hitting 7000rpm.
2. You haven't done jack sh!t in research obviously
3. You don't have the money to do forged induction but u have the money to replace ur trans?
4. What don't you get about TWIN cam? Twin means 2. Yes its a "D"OHC (DUAL = 2)
ok you are. go away so i dont embarass you again

[[ion] C2]

Of course it's possible to put anything on anything. It's why they call it fabrication. You make whatever you need work. Read up on how boosted cars work and discover what you need to do.

the nicest way i can put my thoughts every time i read your garbage is
i hate you.
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[the_weber]

C2;584540']Of course it's possible to put anything on anything. It's why they call it fabrication. You make whatever you need work. Read up on how boosted cars work and discover what you need to do.


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Just read that. So really all i'm going to need to do is get an intercooler and TIG up some tubing. Thanks just wanted to make sure.

[the_weber]

Ok so I did a little searching (yes I actually searched) and a little reading on the upgrade wiki. So from my understanding if I did take the turbo from another vehicle it would work with my car (so yes I have a free turbo) but I would still be out a tone of money to buy new intake manifold, intercooler, new map sensors, boost controller, HPtuner, etc. correct?

so my dreams of having a FI engine are crushed once again.

[[ion] C2]

Intake manifold isn't necessary, just a gasket to block off the PCV hole so you don't send boost through the crankcase..

Intercoolers are around $80.

MAP sensor is also around $80. The key is tuning, you'll need the supercharger reflash at a minimum, and bigger injectors to go with it.

Boost controller is cheap ( < $10 for the Home Depot kind, they work fine).

You need an oil drain line routed to the oil pan. You'll need to drill a hole and weld a fitting in so your hose from the turbo can be connected to it. For starters I'd suggest getting an STR turbo manifold from eBay, the cast ones for our engines. Find a cheap turbo (my first Garrett was $180, just a small one, used/rebuilt) or even an eBay one from a reputable seller. You'll need to get a UJ bend and cut and weld a downpipe, with a new O2 bung so your oxygen sensor can be reinstalled.

The coolant hose going over the exhaust manifold will need to be re-routed in most cases. Easiest way to do that is to cut the metal pipe and slide on a longer piece of rubber hose and route it on the intake side of the engine.

http://sites.google.com/site/aleromodupgrades/performance/engine/LD9-24L-twin-cam/forced-induction/turbocharging/how-to-install-a-turbocharger-setup

Old how-to, very old. But yeah, turbocharging an engine that was N/A, and not largely promoted to be turbocharged takes someone who knows their way around the engine and has the ability to weld parts.

[the_weber]

C2;584547']Intake manifold isn't necessary, just a gasket to block off the PCV hole so you don't send boost through the crankcase..

Intercoolers are around $80.

MAP sensor is also around $80. The key is tuning, you'll need the supercharger reflash at a minimum, and bigger injectors to go with it.

Boost controller is cheap ( < $10 for the Home Depot kind, they work fine).

You need an oil drain line routed to the oil pan. You'll need to drill a hole and weld a fitting in so your hose from the turbo can be connected to it. For starters I'd suggest getting an STR turbo manifold from eBay, the cast ones for our engines. Find a cheap turbo (my first Garrett was $180, just a small one, used/rebuilt) or even an eBay one from a reputable seller. You'll need to get a UJ bend and cut and weld a downpipe, with a new O2 bung so your oxygen sensor can be reinstalled.

The coolant hose going over the exhaust manifold will need to be re-routed in most cases. Easiest way to do that is to cut the metal pipe and slide on a longer piece of rubber hose and route it on the intake side of the engine.

http://sites.google.com/site/aleromodupgrades/performance/engine/LD9-24L-twin-cam/forced-induction/turbocharging/how-to-install-a-turbocharger-setup

Old how-to, very old. But yeah, turbocharging an engine that was N/A, and not largely promoted to be turbocharged takes someone who knows their way around the engine and has the ability to weld parts.
I know my way well enough and can TIG wel pretty well. Just thinking this may be a bit over my head in the cash department

[[ion] C2]

$1300 is all you need then, and i accidentally bought more stuff than i needed

[cherrington17]

Ion is your man for FI. It really just sounds like you need to sit down with some paper and plan things out, before you start trying to make things work.

Get a plan together. Figure out if you want to go turbo, or super. THEN start searching for parts. Not the other way around. Your project won't be done in a week, so don't assume you'll have everything just as quickly. And getting a cheap deal is good, but having good quality parts is better. Why doesn't her car move? Are the components able to be moved easily? Do they even work?

If you have a 2.4 register on Jbody, and ONLY READ a ton over there. (in your condition, you'll be booted for blabbing, considering their level)

[Redog]

^^ Yes Ion is the guy to talk to when it comes to FI.

Sit down, plan everything out, and go window shopping (or in this case Windows shopping :lol: ) When you figure out which parts you want and which brands, just go to Google Shopping and see who has the cheapest price and shipping.

You don't have to thave all the parts RIGHT NOW! Right now, I'm slowly but surely buying and gathering parts for my LA1 rebuild. Buying a little bit at a time and going from there. I'm more than 1/2 way there, but haven't bought anything for about a year now due other more important things. I'll get there, and if yopu plan it out right, you'll get there too ;)

[G.I.Ceo]

C2;584547']Intake manifold isn't necessary, just a gasket to block off the PCV hole so you don't send boost through the crankcase..

Intercoolers are around $80.

MAP sensor is also around $80. The key is tuning, you'll need the supercharger reflash at a minimum, and bigger injectors to go with it.

Boost controller is cheap ( < $10 for the Home Depot kind, they work fine).

You need an oil drain line routed to the oil pan. You'll need to drill a hole and weld a fitting in so your hose from the turbo can be connected to it. For starters I'd suggest getting an STR turbo manifold from eBay, the cast ones for our engines. Find a cheap turbo (my first Garrett was $180, just a small one, used/rebuilt) or even an eBay one from a reputable seller. You'll need to get a UJ bend and cut and weld a downpipe, with a new O2 bung so your oxygen sensor can be reinstalled.

The coolant hose going over the exhaust manifold will need to be re-routed in most cases. Easiest way to do that is to cut the metal pipe and slide on a longer piece of rubber hose and route it on the intake side of the engine.

http://sites.google.com/site/aleromodupgrades/performance/engine/LD9-24L-twin-cam/forced-induction/turbocharging/how-to-install-a-turbocharger-setup

Old how-to, very old. But yeah, turbocharging an engine that was N/A, and not largely promoted to be turbocharged takes someone who knows their way around the engine and has the ability to weld parts.
I would love to see someone post this for a 3.4. Turbo charging is looking like it is getting more popular around these forums and if you know what your doing or have help you can build a good setup for a decent price. People with the 3400 I would love to see more 3500 swaps with a turbo setup. One guy has done it but he doesn't have any numbers posted for results. I would love to see a dyno run of that. Also Milzy has built setup for a GA that has pushed over 400hp.

[widbyj]

On the LD9 2.4L the easiest route is to order the S/C kit from GM Parts Direct. It is VERY complete and can be installed in less than 8 hours by anyone with basic wrenching skills (there are some minor details not covered in the install manual, PM me for more info). Gains vary but should be about 50% more power. Not the 'nicest' solution but it DOES work every time it's tried.

All other methods of FI on the LD9 will require some fabrication on your part but CAN be done for less money. Several people have done it and provided details here and on other sites. Because of things being what they are NO parts from any other platform will just bolt up and work. Learn all you can, make a plan and follow through. You'll get there eventually...

[the_weber]

Excuse my noobishness lol I did what you guys said and actually wrote out what I need to to do this and it's not as bad as I thought. Right around $1000. thanks

[[ion] C2]

S/C kit [...] can be installed in less than 8 hours by anyone with basic wrenching skills
Yeah I can do it in like 45 minutes now probably. :lol: I'll have my engine back running (from being down to the head) 6 hours today.

[the_weber]

C2;584547']
Find a cheap turbo (my first Garrett was $180, just a small one, used/rebuilt) or even an eBay one from a reputable seller.



thread revival now that I am looking at getting serious on turbo. What kind of turbo was it?

[[ion] C2]

One from a 1985-ish Volvo 740

Style: T3
Trim: 50 trim
Compressor A/R: .42
Turbine A/R: .48

[the_weber]

remember how much boost you pushed with it? thanks

[[ion] C2]

14 psi

(head gasket went at this point, don't use a Fel-Pro :awesome: )

[JLw7123]

but didn't you have a built engine ion.

[[ion] C2]

yeah, with a fel-pro head gasket. like i said, don't use a fel-pro. the weak link always was the head gasket, which is why i had to replace it 3 times until i figured out the best combo (Cometic with copper spray applied to it)


initial engine build. used fel-pro gasket, fel-pro bolts (blew at 14 psi from small turbo)
GM gasket, ARP studs (blew with GT3076R @ 15 psi)
Cometic gasket, ARP studs at a higher torque (possibly leaked since installation, but severely leaked after high temperature driving and high boost)Now using Cometic, ARP studs at the proper torque level, and copper spray applied to both sides. Based on previous experience, it appears it's been finally done correctly this time.

[the_weber]

was your 14psi stock? thats crazy if it's was. I was thinking a safe area for stock was 8

[[ion] C2]

no, as stated above it was turbo'd after the initial engine build

quit thinking in pressure, it's about power

[the_weber]

Right, sorry if the noobish questions get old but reading only gets me so far, asking someone who has done it already will help me get more specific. Thanks.