Question About Bolt Ons And S/c

[shortstar]

hey guys, ill have to start posting around here more so you can get to know me but I have a few questions to help me plan out my alero's future modding.

1. I ultimatley want to supercharge my alero. Are there any bolton mods I shouldnt bother with? As of know I plan on ordering the 62 mm TB and I found a local engine shop that will P&P both my UIM and LIM for a very good price. I am going to order the CAI with the inverted cone from APOC before the end of the summer. Basically I am planning to have in my car by next summer the borlla exhasut kit, TOG headers, CAI and P&P LIM, UIM and TB. I figure I can get all this done for about 3000, of which I have about 1500 now. since Im planning on going SC soon after is ther any reason to reconsider any of this?

2. This is mainly directed to springs fastest alero and S/C alero. I am very interested in the Whipple supercharging kit that you guys are developing. I have seen varying price estimates from you guys but I would be willing to shell out 4-5 grand for 280 whp and about 300 ftlbs at the wheels. I would be shooting for a July installation date and would throughout the course of the year keep you updated as to home much money I have put away twards the project so ypu will know that Im serious. Also If is possiable, since I am not an uber mechanic or anything ( changeing disks, headlights and my oil are my sole acomplishments lol) If I brought my alero to you guys in colorado could you do the installation and a dyno pull and so forth. I could stay out there 1-2 weeks IF need be.

Thats basically it. Im going into my Freshman year of college and wont be driving my car much tduring the year. I asked my dad if he would drive it about 3000 miles during the course of the year to keep the seals from drying up. Ill have the CAI on as soon as I order it and put the rest off till spring break so I can afford to do a bunch of stuff at once. Alright looking forward to your response...

-Shortstar

[shortstar]

bump, just want to make sure that this doesnt fall down so far that nobody responds.

[Redog]

Do you take the car to the track??

It's taken me 4 years to get this far with my car and I still not as far as you want to go :wacko:

Good luck with everything. You seem to have everything ready. The on;y thing I'd suggest is maybe a set of pullies, and new plugs and wires. I picked up my pullies from Street Arsenal.com

Check out my cardomain link below and you'll know what I'm saying :thumbsup:

[shortstar]

thanks a lot for the info redog. I was wondering where to get the pullies couldnt seem to find the site for them. Lol Im in the lucky postiton of finally having a good decent paying job thats steady with a good amount of hours. I always used to be short on funds since I ran track for more than half the year during highschool. I decided to give it up during college even though I am good enough to run divison 1. Thats why I actually have time for a job now. Also I dont have any student loans since I got my act together the last 2 years of Highschool and earned a 1/2 off scolarship. My dad is being a great guy as usuall and is picking up the other half of the tab. This leaves me a few years to spend reclessly before I have commitments that force me to be more responsiable like a wife and kids and a house etc.

anywho I guess Springs must be away or somthin right now. Ill wait a few days and then bump this again if need be.

[sc/alero]

this is the first i have seen this sorry for not responding. as well is springs i am sure he ha been working a lot of hours as well. any info i can help you out with by all means ask away. the whipple project is in process and i know springs is doing everything he can to get this off the ground

[shortstar]

Thanks for responding so fast S/C. I understand you and springs have lives other than helping noobs like me 24/7 you got back to me only a day latter in any case.

I basically have a few short questions about the kit.

1. estimated price I need somthing to shoot for.

2. Springs mentioned in another post that there will be a 1600 cc and 1200 cc version for different levels of perfomance. What is the differenece?

3. Will I need any tranny mods to hold the power.

4. About how much power can I expect in both tourque and HP?

5. About what would you estimate my 1/4 mile time to be after getting the kit.

6. How will both versions of the kits affect my cars "streetablility"

I'm a writer so I tend to write essays in posts as you can see from thoses above. I'll try to keep it brief and to the point from know on. please dont feel the need to rush to answer these wuestions I;m in know hurry remember I am planning on next summer. Thanks a lot for your time.

[mfuller]

Although I'm not directly related with the development of this kit, I can give you some educated guesses (no one will really be sure until John is done developing the kit): Probably somewhere in the vicinity of $4000US.
The bigger # just indicates a larger capacity, so in theory, more air can be forced into the engine....thereby the capability to make more power. The bigger size is pretty overkill unless your turning your car into a racecar.
Most likely tranny mods will be required for durability's sake.
Speaking conservatively, 280HP and 300lb-ft of torque aren't out of the question.
If you can get traction, mid 13's at sea level.
If it's tuned properly, it should not affect your car in terms of streetability.....except for more power and worse fuel mileage.

[sc/alero]

There are no noobs we are here to help everyone achieve what they want out of thier cars. i will try to answer the questions as best as i can. i just talked to springs about this so i am sure he will post when he gets home or the chance.
1) from what i understand he is saying like 2500 - 4500 depending on the kit. you will have to ask him to get the correct answer.
2)the 1600 moves 90cfm and the 1200 moves like 72cfm again you need to get the details from springs.
3) as far as tranny mods the are a few things you can do. springs is working and i believe someone else as well on a manual tranny. i personaly have a full line pressure switch on my car so i can mantain streetability at the flip of a switch. you can install a trans intercepter as this is what springs is running.
4)john has a few different numbers on this mine which is the magnuson is right now 275hp at the wheels and 300lbs.
5)my times right now again are 14.62 at 96 mph. springs running n2o his best is 14.33 i believe.
6)my car is very streetable in fact a total sleeper which maks it nice.

on most of your questions i tthink john is going to have to answer the spefics on this. i just mainly help him out with the installs, wiring, and testing.
by the way were are you at?
hopefully this helps out a little bit. i wish i knew all the spefics to tell you but i don't so in this case i am the noob lol

[shortstar]

thanks again for being so prompt. I look forward to hearing from John but as I said I'm in no rush.

Thanks for telling me I'm not a noob. Well leave it at me being inexperienced but Im willing to leanrn how to do things rather than pretend I know how to do everything. Guess thats why Im not a traditional "noob" lol.

Anyways I catualy leanred how to do Some stuff today. I already tought myself how to change disks. Today I learned, by doing of course, how to drop a car with new springs. Also I installed a CAI on my own basically by reading the instructions. Got it cheched by a friend though. This wasnt on my alero unfortunatly. It was on his Sentra. But I feel more confident in my ability to work with cars now. I'll try not to bight off more than I can chew but I am a do it yourselfer and a Comp expert so I know how to follow instructions when needed and keep things oganized as you take them apart or put them back together.

[wy3134]

IM just curious about your mpg sc/alero, and how to set up that pressure switch, or if you know where i can find info for something like that for a turbo setup. Thanks for the help

[springs fastest alero]

1) kit price will vary depending on where I get the parts made.
I'm trying to go as cheap as possible for quality pieces.
time frame is tricky
honesly I'm looking to have a kit done by sometime in september.
I have another person intrested in the kit thats willing to get this rolling.
R&D is expinsive. Even though I recently got a settlement check on my car's hail damage that I'm holding off to fix, I'm still trying to get people to help out.
The more kits we make the less it cost per kit.
projected price is anywhere from 2500-about 4,000
I'm doing all I can to keep it south of 4k but it also depends on what you want in the kit. The more it has the more it will cost.

2) the 1200cc version will be the street kit. the one almost everyone will want.
the 1600cc will require heavy mods to the car and be capable of more than most will ever want to do.
all the 1200 and 1600 means is displacement per revolution of the supercharger
the 1200 72 cubes or somthing like that (cant remember right off)
its just a little bigger than the eaton m62 kit that was made for our car.
but it beats the eaton in every way, shape, and form.

3) tranny mods are never a bad idea.
I plan on a computer tune which will handle the line pressure and stuff but a tranny cooler would be a great investment.

4) base kit on a bone stock car with base psi SHOULD make arround 230 wheel hp
more boost, exhaust, etc will yeild more power.
there should be no trouble getting 280hp at the wheels without an intercooler. but for that much you will prolly need to have your trans gone through and beefed up.

5) 1/4 mile should be like mfuller said. mid 13's at sea level. many things factor to this though. these times are asumming you get decent traction and your engine and trans are in good condition.

6) both kits will be streetable but the 1600 is more of a race setup and will require a bit of work to be streeted.


hope I covered everything
I would of replied sooner but wednesday I worked 8 am to 12 am and today I worked 8 am to 11 pm. SC told me about this post so I jumped on to respond.

again I'm looking to get started on these asap.
how it will work is a piece by piece development. as each piece is worked on I'm trying to get deposits for those pieces. then either each piece can be shipped as completed or all at once. first is the drive shaft. it will fit either kit. we are working on pricing now but it looks like that piece will be about 500-600 depending on how many people are willing to pitch in.
all that help get these made will get a kit at cost of materials. all of my time into the kit will be free. your just paying what I have to pay other people for.
all kits sold later will be more. hope this all makes sense and I'll reply to questions as soon as I can

[flalero]

I would be interested in r&d on this and/or buying piece by piece. Just pm or e-mail details and costs, etc. Looking at the street kit, but defnitely interested in this. Just get back to me. I know I live far away but I would help out.

[sc/alero]

Originally posted by wy3134@Aug 5 2004, 07:37 PM
IM just curious about your mpg sc/alero, and how to set up that pressure switch, or if you know where i can find info for something like that for a turbo setup. Thanks for the help
my mpg really did not go down to bad it drop i think an average of about 3 miles i can go 310 on a tank of gas unless i am racinging then it is about 280 or so. if youwant to pm me and i will give you the info on the switch it is easy and then this way i know i can not get blamed for any miss fortune like the last post of by passing the speed limiter.

[shortstar]

Thanks for the repsonse Springs. Like I said I wont be able to pull enough cash together until nest summer maybe a little sooner but thats what Its looking like. Good luck finding people to help with the R&D. Do you think even after its been developed and the price goes up it will come in at 5000 or less? Also as I have said before Ive been leanring how to do some car mods but I am know wherre near qualified to put this kit on. If I purchased the kit next summer would you be willing to install (obvisouly I would pay for your time) If i drove my car out to colorado?

so the 1200cc kit can make about 280 whp and 300 wftlbs with the boost turned up a bit and run mid 13s at see level. Do you have any ideas what the 1600cc kit would do than? more out of curiosity than anything, what will that kit boost the cars output to, what do you expect the 1/4 mile times to be and what are the streetablitiy issues with it? Im pretty sure the 1200 cc will be more than enough like you said but Im still curious about the 1600.

Thanks a lot for responding to all these questions so thoroughly.

[Crazytaxi37]

I still get over 30 mpg at 9.7psi.

Highway of course.

[springs fastest alero]

1600 is an overkill project.
it will be installed on a built motor with a built manual transmission before we see what it can do.
turning it at 10,000 rpm it does what the eaton m62 does at 1600+ rpm.
it has tons of room left too.
personally my goal is 500+ hp without nitrous.

on a motor not built to handle it, all it would really do is break stuff very fast

[shortstar]

Wow your right that is over kill. I'll stick to the 1200cc.

[shortstar]

Just want to make sure though, this will even after R&D and the kit is being sold at full price, come out under 5 grand or at 5 grand. I dont think I coul\d have more than that saved by next summer...

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by shortstar@Aug 7 2004, 09:45 AM
Just want to make sure though, this will even after R&D and the kit is being sold at full price, come out under 5 grand or at 5 grand. I dont think I coul\d have more than that saved by next summer...
under 5k should be no problem

[ImSoBored]

im guessing you'd want your pcm reprogrammed for this?

[springs fastest alero]

Originally posted by ImSoBored@Aug 7 2004, 06:38 PM
im guessing you'd want your pcm reprogrammed for this?
It most likely will be offered with the kit
if not then yes its a very good idea to get it done

[flalero]

Springs, I was just wondering if you saw my previous post about buying each piece as it is developed?

[springs fastest alero]

ops. yes I seen it but forgot to reply
getting price quotes still
when we have a place finalized for making the shaft I'll let ya know.
expect arround 700
hopfully less but just in case

[flalero]

Yeah, just let me know. I'll give you a deposit as soon as you find out final price. I was looking at getting a DHP PCM pretty soon and I was wondering if I should have them do a custom program or just get the regular program? Should I just wait until I get the whole kit in before I get the PCM?

Oh, and what kind of prices are we looking at for the other parts?

[springs fastest alero]

thats your call on the pcm.
we wont know cost of the other parts till we start on them and get quotes
the shaft, inlet, and outlet will prolly be the most spendy besides the head unit its self

[flalero]

Cool, I'll probaly wait until everything's on the car and just get a custom tune.

[bu01]

bump PAOC, whats the story on this whipple

[SilverBullet256]

whats with everyone bringing up really old threads, if there was nothing on it in over 2 years, then im sure there isnt much on it now

[eag182]

Yea I don't think this project is going. Didn't sc alero part out his alero. Haven't seen a post of his in a while.

[SilverBullet256]

form what i understand, the project was ebing run by springsfastest alero, not s/c alero, and springs is still working on his own car, and the setup should be based on his, so no its not done yet, if it ever even goes into production, but the kit will be pretty expensive and if you want bang for the buck then go to www.donkeypunchperformance.com and look at their turbo kits, they are relatively cheap, and from what i have been told by someone who knows what they are talking about, it is a pretty well built kit, so i would personally tell you to get a turbo kit from germ at dpp