what do you think of this?

[-Alero-]

So after every dealership in maryland rejecting to diagnose this on going problem of my car. With the rough idle the random missfires while driving.....all the dealers saying there is nothing wrong, over and over....

we took it to a shop that does MD inspections, since my tags from TN expired i had to get it inspected.....welp my exhaust intake, pcm, coils, wires, crank pulley, all classified as illegal and had to be removed or i would be unable to have a registered vehicle for MD.

welp long story short 2100$ later i got brank new 1.5 inch crush bent nappa autoparts exhuast piping, random huge muffler, and some random ass cat, as well as replacing driver rear strut, steering rack, ignition module, and driver front wheel hub, as well as every single aftermaket part removed and returned to me.....pretty bad ass huh?

welp i thought my driver front wheel hub was going out so i took it back, and they said my transmission was making the loud whining grinding noise, so my extended warrenty adjuster came out and a week later came to the conclusion it would be best to replace the transmission. instead of removing diagnosing and replacing whatever wrong with remanufactured garbage parts (which could potentially cost more than just getting a new one). thing is they only want to cover 750$ of a transmission swap/repair...

I also still have an engine problem pertaining to the rough idle, which would probably cost hundreds of dollars to tear down diagnose and or replace whatever is needed, because i believe i have some sort of compression loss, from when it was last re assembled by a TN dealer (whom still says nothing is wrong with it so they dont want to work on it).

I'm sick of remanufactured parts and used parts failing... and i dont want to replace old failing parts with older parts that will fail...its so agrivating having a car worth nearly 2,000$ and then being qouted 1,900 for a used transmission, and 3,300 for a used engine.

me and my father have spoken with a GM regional representative and they were of no help and stuck next to what the dealer had said, and showed little to no interest at all in retaining customers.


so all this finally brings me to 1 question...... what do you guys suggest i do from here? i really need the suggestions...

should i sell it and try to get something just to get me by and hold me off?
cut all losses and scrap it?
invests thousands more than what its worth just to keep it running?
keep driving it till it breaks?

I seriously have no idea what to do with it.....the car is such a headache right now and i can honestly say i will never buy from GM ever again in my entire life.... i just cant believe how good this car once was and then it just completly 180's...

[Redog]

You took it to ONE shop and they told you all that stuff was illegal? Then quoted you $3300 for a new/used engine? Also all your aftermarket stuff is gone and $2100 to "fix" everything?

They seen you comming a mile away.

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

-OR-
see if you can swap in a new drivetrain....perhaps from a Monte/Impala???

[undecided02]

Dude you got scammed hardcore.

[heineck]

no joke, they raped u

[00WhiteAlero]

Wow they scammed you how are aftermarket parts illegal? :lol: they wouldnt sell them if they were

[mrmike]

Wow I wouldn't give a new shop ANY business without knowing them or their reputation. The thought of giving some random shop thousands of dollars to REMOVE my aftermarket parts...well I would knock them down and make them eat their own tools at the mention of it! "Dur - your transmission is broke gimme $3000!" followed by the sound of a man choking to death on a tray of impact sockets.

[-Alero-]

my dad took it, my dad uses them to work on his truck and work on his corvette.

you guys dont live in the state of maryland, so you guys dont realize how much higher labor and parts are through the roof......this is the state that will charge you 500$ for a headlight on a 95 silverado.....this is the state that will fail your car if you have a steering wheel cover, this is the state that installs catalytic converters for a grand.....

you guys fail to realize how many places i have gone to.... no one can contemplate how little respect a oldsmobile will get.

yes any modifcation to any vehicle is illegal no matter what state your in. try putting a cam and heads in your car then taking your no longer made vehicle to the dealer and ask them why it wont hold an idle. dont think for one fucking second you will be treated like a wet puppy in the rain.

and as far as 2100$ on parts went, who hear knows of a place that will replace, a exhaust system from the downpipe back, a strut, ignition module,a wheel hub, front end alignment, a steering rack and pinion assembly.......the car went through hours and hours of labor.....but to be honest i didnt pay for all of it....like i said...i have an extended warrenty.

back in TN converters were 50$ and there was no enforced window tint law, and every vehicle on the TN road was a emissions test virgin.

but i dont live in TN, i live in a highly strict state of emissions with the goal of price gouging.

ive looked for used engines and find engines from 800-1500, and brand new ones for 2,400, trannies in the same ballpark.

but who can put those in? not me i dont have the tools i dont have the garage, i dont have the time.....im no more than a driveway joe. i cant just say "oh hay i want a F40, and a fully built LA1, and snap my fingers"

more suggestion please no more posts on price rates

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

clearly you got to move away from that state.

[-Alero-]

clearly i dont have a choice at the time to just live any where i want.

[Redog]

Where exactly do you live in Maryland? Baltomore burbs like White Marsh?

I'll admit around there, it's expensive, but not that expensive.

I've seen cars from Maryland at the track, tinted windows, heavy engine mods and exhasut systems that will make your ears bleed. All with currect plates, street driven, etc etc etc

Can a cat cost $1000? Yes. My wife's '05 Altima's cat is a $1,000 part. My Aunt and Uncle's Forester's cat was an $800 part. For an Alero, it's a $300 to $500 part, you got fucked on the mark-up, end of story.

Igntion wires being illegal? That's the biggest croc of shit I've ever heard.

When a part is listed as "50 state legal" I'm sorry to tell you, but Maryland is one of the 50 states. There are parts that are only "49 state legal" the state that's left out is California, not Maryland.

What year and milage on your car? IIRC your car is a 2001. Where exactly do you get $1900 for the valve of your car? I know your car isn't a POS

I've said it before, I'll say it again. You are obvouisly not happy with your car, trade it or sell it and buy something else. Get a BMW and trade it after 3.5 years. It still need maintanance, but you don't have to pay for it

[-Alero-]

k, the cars at the track arent driven daily, as in go to work and back and sit in traffic, those are more or less weekend cars.

i got a warning for a 400$ with my TN tags on my 5% tint, in MD, pulled over again with a warning passing through virginia.

yes aftermarket wires are conisdered illegal....anything that is not OEM is illegal. doesnt matter if the muffler says 50 state lega, the foglights say 50 state legal, or if the MAF sensor says 50 state legal. the place that inspects your car makes the decision to pass it, not to mention if pulled over a cop can say your muffler is too loud, its not stock and write you up a nice sheet of paper odering you to revert to OEM. so im sorry to tell you that by saying something is 50 state legal doesnt mean its EPA approved.

i live in frederick,adamstown, leesburg area.... heres my car value... check out the fair tab - 2,075 (i didnt say 1900)

and no i cant afford a BMW nor do i want a BMW


http://www.kbb.com/KBB/UsedCars/PricingReport.aspx?YearId=2002&Mileage=93000&VehicleClass=UsedCar&ManufacturerId=36&ModelId=355&PriceType=Trade-In&VehicleId=4607&SelectionHistory=4607|31416|92618|0|0|178795|true| 178928|true|178966|true&Condition=Good&QuizConditions=#survey (http://www.kbb.com/KBB/UsedCars/PricingReport.aspx?YearId=2002&Mileage=93000&VehicleClass=UsedCar&ManufacturerId=36&ModelId=355&PriceType=Trade-In&VehicleId=4607&SelectionHistory=4607%7C31416%7C92618%7C0%7C0%7C17 8795%7Ctrue%7C178928%7Ctrue%7C178966%7Ctrue&Condition=Good&QuizConditions=#survey)

[cherrington17]

sorry, but i would have asked them to see it, in writing, that all those mods were illegal. you didn't have anything that would deem your car not "street legal"

they boned you hardcore, and whomever it was that dismantled your car, probably took the parts home for himself... asshats... plain and simple.

cali/ny have some of the strictest regulations on parts you can add... and nothing you listed was part of it. (maybe cali for emissions, but even then, aftermarket exhaust parts keep EPA regulations, unless you straight pipe it)


my HIDs are illegal, i just got inspected... they didn't say a word about it.

[surreal_awakening]

I could have saved you $2100, let you keep all those parts on your car, and gotten you Maryland inspection for waaaaaaaay less than that. Sorry to say you got raped. In any case, I have a spare 3400 from a 2000 GAGT and a tranny as well, oh, and since the gear ratio in the tranny is different, I have the ECU from the GAGT also. If you're interested, hit me up. Which place did you take it, btw? Not that I'm in the Frederick area much, but bad publicity like that might make a shop think twice. LOTS of places do Maryland inspection. That one sounds like a huge load of crap.

[Ryan from Ohio]

Theres no damned way in God's green earth would I dump $2100 into repairs of a car thats only worth $2000...

let alone paying another $5000 for an engine and transmission.

Obviously the choice is clear.

Buy another car and sell yours to someone else. Dont scrap it. Let someone else deal with the headache.

[-Alero-]

Theres no damned way in God's green earth would I dump $2100 into repairs of a car thats only worth $2000...

let alone paying another $5000 for an engine and transmission.

Obviously the choice is clear.

Buy another car and sell yours to someone else. Dont scrap it. Let someone else deal with the headache.



input im looking for^^

[Ryan from Ohio]

input im looking for^^

Common sense?

I know this is an Alero board but lets face it. Alero is bottom of the Oldsmobile bucket. The resale on them is pathetic... If you get them new or under 70K miles you can have some fun times and a decent buy for some time. But once they get close to 150K all hell brakes loose. Problems after problems.

Plus, at this point the car isnt worth squat anyhow.

My car as it sits is worth about $2500... So the value has dropped to the point where it will ride out slowly.

Thats a 2000 V6 with 145K on it too...

Im just guessing yours is similar or close to.

You just got to way the "what if" value vs what the repairs cost. Being able to do it yourself save a MINT.

[Redog]

Wow that's pretty interseting, my car with more miles and 2 years older is worth double yours, just look (BTW I didn't put in that the car has Navigation)

http://www.kbb.com/KBB/UsedCars/PricingReport.aspx?YearId=2000&VehicleClass=UsedCar&ManufacturerId=36&Condition=Excellent&ModelId=355&PriceType=Retail&VehicleId=6765&Mileage=110555&SelectionHistory=6765%7C31416%7C18940%7C0%7C0%7C

You used "trade value" if your car is damaged in an accident, the insurance companies use "Suggested Retail" becasue that is what it will cost to REPLACE the car.

If your car still has TN plates, a cop CANNOT PULL YOU OVER FOR TINTED WINDOWS IN ANOTHER STATE. Tinted windows is a state inspection thing. If my car had NJ plates, the tint would be illegal (no tint at all on the driver's and pass side windows) but I have PA plates. So I can drive thru the most backwards ass townships in NJ and they cannot do a thing about my tints. This is true in VA, MD and all the other states in the country.

So cars at the track are not daily driven or even driven to the track. Really? So how does my car get to the track? Fly? Walk? Osmosis? The Force? The Schwarts? (sorry I've been watching Spaceballs a lot)


so im sorry to tell you that by saying something is 50 state legal doesnt mean its EPA approved.



And I glad to tell you that you are wrong.

However, I am sorry to tell you that you limited education on automobiles has just cost you a shit load of money. I don't like to see anybody get ripped off. (Which you did, big time)

I suggested a BMW due to the zero cost of ownership. (Maintanance) That's as close as you are going to get to a car that's not going to have any problems, ever.

they boned you hardcore, and whomever it was that dismantled your car, probably took the parts home for himself... asshats... plain and simple.


I was thinking the same thing, until he said that he got the parts back.

You got ripped off, plain and simple. But if claiming that car parts are really expensive where you live helps you sleep at night, then OK.

You come on here with this story asking people what you should do, then get pissed when everybody tells you the hard truth.

Sell the car, you have no idea what you are doing.

[undecided02]

dude who cares where u live, Ebay has every part u need for practically nothing. abuse the internet, its why its here.

[Redog]

But once they get close to 150K all hell brakes loose. Problems after problems.



Just like every car with that many miles :rolleyes2:

I'm done with this thread. Just like all the others, it's fucking pathetic

[MotorCity]

ive read all of this i have nothing to say that has not been said already

[-Alero-]

lol u mad ken?

you say im wrong and have no idea what im doing.....thats pretty cool for some reason i feel like that makes you "the better person"? you just made like 3 attempts to correct me on something and then made no effort to prove me wrong...i dont know why you did that

anyways 2nd time now, TN tags are gone thats why i had to get it inspected for MD tags.

4th time now, i didnt pay for all of this i merely paid a portion, and in order for the vehicle to pass the vehicle has to pass the MD state inspection shop and be approved....

2nd time now, i cant remove my tranny in my drive way and take it apart, i cant remove my top end in my drive way and replace my lifters.

thats why whatever a shop wants to charge, so fuckin be it, i have a warrenty just for situations like this....its called mechanical failure.

i also refuse to trust ebay engines and trannies.

and of course i used trade in. who else would buy a broken worthless alero...do you know how many running good condition aleros are for sale right now?

your sassy input towards who knows what about an alero and how to "do an alero" ken once again raises my eyebrow on what you even know best. You post skimmed i want to say 3 times about how much i paid and who paid what for a fix, and then just automatically assume "op this teenage kid doesnt know how to work on an alero, im 30 years older than him so i know way more than him". In turns this must mean you have every tool on hand including your $9,000 scan tool, and would be ripe and randy for anything the alero can throw at you. Right? because obviously "you know what your doing".

its like every thread i make you have some form of an insult or personal attack. you have your opinions and i have mine.....doesnt mean you have to go to an extent to show them. you didnt have to post, you didnt have to do anything, hell you still havent provided any input as towards what i asked.

Ryan and surreal seemed to be the only ones who provided understanding info....what did you do ken? what did you do right?

[Redog]

You're ridiculous

[cherrington17]

imo, with all the trouble you've had over the past... what? several years (if i remember correctly) i'd trade it. Even if your trading for another alero. Yours has been nothing but trouble, espicially with things you can't fix on your own (or can't find whats causing it, to be ABLE to fix it)

sell the aftermarket you had stripped off, and start new with something else. This car is cursed.

[Ryan from Ohio]

One cursed Alero for sale...

Only 50 cents!

:lol:

[-Alero-]

You're ridiculous
Y U MAD?

[-Alero-]

imo, with all the trouble you've had over the past... what? several years (if i remember correctly) i'd trade it. Even if your trading for another alero. Yours has been nothing but trouble, espicially with things you can't fix on your own (or can't find whats causing it, to be ABLE to fix it)

sell the aftermarket you had stripped off, and start new with something else. This car is cursed.

yeah im begining to agree with you, as soon as i get the OSV kit ill be sellin that with everything, i think thats going ot be best....im already lookin at mid 90's body style 240's with sr20's.....found one that needs some work for 3500, i think i might pick it up.

[heineck]

theyre called S14s:tool:

[-Alero-]

theyre called S14s:tool:

wrong this isnt japan

[Cliff8928]

theyre called S14s:tool:

wrong this isnt japan

No, that isn't wrong. The chassis is still a S14.

It's like referring to the Alero as a GMX-130.

[newhorizons]

my dad took it, my dad uses them to work on his truck and work on his corvette.

you guys dont live in the state of maryland, so you guys dont realize how much higher labor and parts are through the roof......this is the state that will charge you 500$ for a headlight on a 95 silverado.....this is the state that will fail your car if you have a steering wheel cover, this is the state that installs catalytic converters for a grand.....

you guys fail to realize how many places i have gone to.... no one can contemplate how little respect a oldsmobile will get.

yes any modifcation to any vehicle is illegal no matter what state your in. try putting a cam and heads in your car then taking your no longer made vehicle to the dealer and ask them why it wont hold an idle. dont think for one effing second you will be treated like a wet puppy in the rain.

and as far as 2100$ on parts went, who hear knows of a place that will replace, a exhaust system from the downpipe back, a strut, ignition module,a wheel hub, front end alignment, a steering rack and pinion assembly.......the car went through hours and hours of labor.....but to be honest i didnt pay for all of it....like i said...i have an extended warrenty.

back in TN converters were 50$ and there was no enforced window tint law, and every vehicle on the TN road was a emissions test virgin.

but i dont live in TN, i live in a highly strict state of emissions with the goal of price gouging.

ive looked for used engines and find engines from 800-1500, and brand new ones for 2,400, trannies in the same ballpark.

but who can put those in? not me i dont have the tools i dont have the garage, i dont have the time.....im no more than a driveway joe. i cant just say "oh hay i want a F40, and a fully built LA1, and snap my fingers"

more suggestion please no more posts on price rates



Trade it for an Impala..thats crazy

[-Alero-]

No, that isn't wrong. The chassis is still a S14.

It's like referring to the Alero as a GMX-130.


right, i dont refer to vehicles by body code, only by the manufacturer badge in the door sill. Theres no way i would refer to my vehicle by just a body code, has anyone here taken thier car to a shop and said "yeah i need you to change the tires on my GMX-130".....not me

its like people refering to thier car to EG,EK,AP.....assanine

its no different than calling every, malibu, achieva, grand am, and alero a N-body.... the N can represent all the cars...instead you could just easily say the cars model....and not body code

[-Alero-]

Trade it for an Impala..thats crazy

nah GM lost my business, when the regional rep refused to help and only wanted to make the dealer more money.

[bkathsalero]

..im already lookin at mid 90's body style 240's with sr20's.....found one that needs some work for 3500, i think i might pick it up.

Dude no offense but if you can't work on a 3.4 gm basic motor. Theres no way in HELL your going to be able to work on a sr20det

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/cto/1363678017.html

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/cto/1349133791.html

[Cliff8928]

right, i dont refer to vehicles by body code, only by the manufacturer badge in the door sill. Theres no way i would refer to my vehicle by just a body code, has anyone here taken thier car to a shop and said "yeah i need you to change the tires on my GMX-130".....not me

its like people refering to thier car to EG,EK,AP.....assanine

its no different than calling every, malibu, achieva, grand am, and alero a N-body.... the N can represent all the cars...instead you could just easily say the cars model....and not body code

Well, newer GMs aren't often referred to by their chassis codes aside from the trucks (eg. GMT-800).

However, many people do describe the older cars by their body letter designation. Especially the A, G and B body cars. Same with mopars.

And the term "Fox Body" and "SN-95" gets tossed around with ford owners.

BMW (especially the 3 series, E30, E36, etc.. ) and almost all Mercedes models are also identified by their chassis designations too (W140, W124, R129, etc..)..

[heineck]

ive nevar met anyone in the import scene who says the have a "mid 90's body style 240 with an sr20" when asked wat they drive

[PappaSmurf]

Damn Kids, they dont even know what they are driving these days. LMAO
-Smurf-

[-Alero-]

Well, newer GMs aren't often referred to by their chassis codes aside from the trucks (eg. GMT-800).

However, many people do describe the older cars by their body letter designation. Especially the A, G and B body cars. Same with mopars.

And the term "Fox Body" and "SN-95" gets tossed around with ford owners.

BMW (especially the 3 series, E30, E36, etc.. ) and almost all Mercedes models are also identified by their chassis designations too (W140, W124, R129, etc..)..

i suppose your right, i guess its more of a general reference

[-Alero-]

ive nevar met anyone in the import scene who says the have a "mid 90's body style 240 with an sr20" when asked wat they drive

u mad?


if i had one i would call it a 240sx....and sr20 isnt a usdm thing

[-Alero-]

Dude no offense but if you can't work on a 3.4 gm basic motor. Theres no way in HELL your going to be able to work on a sr20det


i can't work on a LA1? darn, i guess i never knew how to use that torque angle wrench....maybe it put itself back together?


so bkath, you didnt tell us that you had all the tools and time to seperate your tranny and pull all the parts out at your house? damn dude you should run your own shop, hey maybe you can deck my head , you seem to be able to work on "3.4 GM basic motors"

[heineck]

u mad?


if i had one i would call it a 240sx....and sr20 isnt a usdm thing

No anger here, I've been a die hard 240 fan forever, its gunna be my next project car. maybe its just LA but at all the race meets here they're known as S14, that's what I've always known em as 13s, 14s, and 15s. Personally I'd skip the wimpy SR and do an RB26 swap,

[-Alero-]

No anger here, I've been a die hard 240 fan forever, its gunna be my next project car. maybe its just LA but at all the race meets here they're known as S14, that's what I've always known em as 13s, 14s, and 15s. Personally I'd skip the wimpy SR and do an RB26 swap,

yeah u mad

[clutch1]

this thread turned into lots of fail..


If I lived in Maryland I'd make sure to get a truck with a monster V8 (hell, get the Ram w/ V10) that got 5 mpg and drive it everywhere. Take that Maryland air.

[cherrington17]

yeah u mad

why don't you just sell the car and leave? EVERY one of your "i need help" threads, turns into you throwing a tantrum about the advice your getting.

quit being a douche, and maybe you'll get legit advice, until then... stop posting, and grow up

[Redog]

why don't you just sell the car and leave? EVERY one of your "i need help" threads, turns into you throwing a tantrum about the advice your getting.

quit being a douche, and maybe you'll get legit advice, until then... stop posting, and grow up

CHERRY IS MY BESTEST FRIEND IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD RIGHT NOW!!! FINALLY SOMEBODY HAS SAID IT! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sehrgrosse/large-smiley-030.gif

[bkathsalero]

i can't work on a LA1? darn, i guess i never knew how to use that torque angle wrench....maybe it put itself back together?


so bkath, you didnt tell us that you had all the tools and time to seperate your tranny and pull all the parts out at your house? damn dude you should run your own shop, hey maybe you can deck my head , you seem to be able to work on "3.4 GM basic motors"


/\/\ I have no idea if that was suppose to be an insult or what? But anyways yea I do have all the tools to pull my 4t45e transaxle apart, as well as all the diagrams. :lol: I already own my own shop. And "deck my head" ?

[-Alero-]

why don't you just sell the car and leave? EVERY one of your "i need help" threads, turns into you throwing a tantrum about the advice your getting.

quit being a douche, and maybe you'll get legit advice, until then... stop posting, and grow up


y u mad?

you do realize this right here is exactly why this is a dying community?

[-Alero-]

CHERRY IS MY BESTEST FRIEND IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD RIGHT NOW!!! FINALLY SOMEBODY HAS SAID IT! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sehrgrosse/large-smiley-030.gif


aww isnt that sweet, yeah he mad

[heineck]

Omfg its people like u that cause dying communities, grow up or stfu

[-Alero-]

Omfg its people like u that cause dying communities, grow up or stfu


dude your mad

[Oldsnut]

This thread is done, it has nowhere to go except downhill.