Still Starting Badly

[Nate's Alero]

well, my alero, from sitting several hours, will not start, like, putt fart die, its just horrible starting.

if i go and start it even when its lukewarm, it starts fine. but it WILL NOT START if its cold.

now when its cold, and it has over a half a tank of gas, and i hold the accelerator down a tiny bit, it starts right up and runs fine.....

WTF!?!?

[jackal2000]

have you tried driving it off a cliff?

[Ryan from Ohio]

Need a fuel pump?

[Nate's Alero]

Need a fuel pump?

fixed.... i had 12PSI before, now i have 41 with a new pump/tank

[lonnie]

How in the hell did you change the fuel pump in the tank in an hour?

[jackal2000]

How in the hell did you change the fuel pump in the tank in an hour?

this is his 37th thread on this topic so he must have addressed that previously.

[Nate's Alero]

NEW info. when i started the car, (took 15 tries today) i removed the coolant cap, smoke came out.

i dont lose coolant (it purges sometimes... dont ask why idk either)

[heineck]

Dude i think ur car hates u

[-Alero-]

join the club

[Nate's Alero]

join the club

agreed

[Ryan from Ohio]

Sounds like you need full coverage insurance.

Hang out Saturday night about 2am outside a popular bar. Get hit by a drunk.

Buy a nicer car.

[jrim]

Sounds like you need full coverage insurance.

Hang out Saturday night about 2am outside a popular bar. Get hit by a drunk.

Buy a nicer car.

LOL. Wow hahah this is great.

[Nate's Alero]

dont bash car, help car, i <3 car

[worknprog.99]

seriously tho man .. it may be time to move on....

[Nate's Alero]

seriously tho man .. it may be time to move on....

ive owned it for three months.... fuck off and die...... I LIKE THE CAR!!!!! GET OVER IT!! HELP NOT BASH PLZ OR DONT POST

[Psyfox]

NEW info. when i started the car, (took 15 tries today) i removed the coolant cap, smoke came out.

i dont lose coolant (it purges sometimes... dont ask why idk either)

When was the last time you changed your coolant and thermo? I'm about to do mine this Saturday, lol.

[cherrington17]

hes changed his like...4 times now.

so you have smoke coming out of your coolant reservoir?.... nate..wtf did you do to your engine?? i can't even begin to come up with a suggestion

[Blktrax]

I vote compression test. Smoke in the coolant, sounds like a story from the Crypt Keeper.

[TheEdgeofSanity]

have you cleaned yout TB lately? also, you could have a bad head gasket? when its cold, its allowing coolant to pool in your cylinders and when its hot, it doesn't have enough time to leak? maybe?

[Gr1m]

bad/blown head gasket

[Nate's Alero]

ok, im changing the HG then. its not bad enough to worry about yet. i will get it done in the next few weeks

[TheEdgeofSanity]

by any chance is there a puff of white smoke when it finally starts?

[Alerosaint]

Nate you might have to take her out out to the pastures and put her out her misery

[Redog]

What about the igntion modual, if you are still having starting problems. Old school cars with this issue would be timing related.

Why don't you buy another motor off eBay and drop it in

[Ryan from Ohio]

dont bash car, help car, i <3 car

I think the car doesnt like the life of a car and wishes to die.

If the car was warm and cycled coolant a few times, it will mix with whats in the reservoir. So if you open it up, it should be hot. It could smoke.

I know mine does this. I just know enough to KNOW its not a motor problem.

Its just the way it is.

Your car has some issues. We can all sit here and throw darts at the wall. You can spend lots of money guessing and hoping. I would take the smart approach and turn it over to a mechanic.

[Nate's Alero]

its just, the car is great, i love it, its never left me stranded. i have put around 7.5K miles on it since april, i have gone to rhode island, the south shore pleanty of times, mike (zol) has seen the car in person, and even he agreed it was a decent car. io dont want to scrap it, its my only good car, the saturn is on its way out, my moms car is going to the shityard soon... its my only good car.... cant you understand that guys?


THERE IS NO SMOKE AT ALL OUT THE TAILPIPE!!!! NONE! ZIP! not even when its damp and cold! there is NO smoke

[Ryan from Ohio]

io dont want to scrap it, its my only good car, the saturn is on its way out, my moms car is going to the shityard soon... its my only good car.... cant you understand that guys?

i love it, its never left me stranded.

:eek:

All joking aside you are being paranoid. If you open the cap and smoke comes rolling out real bad, then you got an issue.

Bottom line is there should be enough fluid in there that its higher level wise than whats in the radiator. If this is true and it smokes when the cap comes off a little, you are fine.

Smoke wont travel through the coolant/water.

SO its reasonably accurate to say its coming from the difference in temperature when you take the cap off. Sorta like your warm stinky breath in the winter when you can see it...

[Psyfox]

I think the car doesnt like the life of a car and wishes to die.

If the car was warm and cycled coolant a few times, it will mix with whats in the reservoir. So if you open it up, it should be hot. It could smoke.

I know mine does this. I just know enough to KNOW its not a motor problem.

Its just the way it is.

Your car has some issues. We can all sit here and throw darts at the wall. You can spend lots of money guessing and hoping. I would take the smart approach and turn it over to a mechanic.

Agreed. At this point, if you don't know what it is and have any hopes of saving your car, I'd definitely let a mechanic take a look at it (just to establish the problem at the very least).

[cherrington17]

nate, the car can look as nice as you want it to... but if it runs like crap, why bother?

we all have met that really hott girl who is dumber then a box of rocks. you don't keep them around long term.

Get something reliable, and you can spend all this money on mods, rather then maintance

[Nate's Alero]

well, i forgot to mention, i took it to a mech,


fuel pressure : 41PSI

Compression : 150 PSI on all cylinders (i did it wrong before)

Cooling system leak down test: .003 kpa lost over 30 minutes

Manifold Vaccuum LDT: 100% pressure lost over 10 minutes!!!!

vacuum leak much?!?!?

installed : New UIM (was cracked inside, across all 6 runners) TB gasket, new IAC valve, new TPS, new MAF, new MAP, new vacuum lines...
we will see what happens tommrow morning... car drove really no different on the way home.

[Alerosaint]

I got the shot gun out back nate X-P

[Nate's Alero]

wow..... started like a brand new alero..... all fixed guys! i also found the coolant leak!

the surge tank was cracked (replaced with a new one)

no coolant loss, everything's fixed guys! thanks!