Goodbye..

[[ion] C2]

.. to the supercharger. Finished this shit at 4AM this morning. I was at Speed Industry since 4PM last night (and every day this week, but starting last Friday).

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Fabricating the downpipe.
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Yeah, I still need to get a reducing elbow silicone coupling so I can hook up an air filter.
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The rusty metal coolant hose is leaking where it goes into the plastic housing. I don't think it's in straight, or the o-ring is crooked, etc. What a bitch. Spews/sprays coolant, causing air leaks in the system and making me run hotter than I should. Gotta get it fixed before I can tune anything at higher throttle.

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EDIT: I know what to do about the BOV.
Original: The BOV doesn't seem to be working, all I hear is compressor surge no matter what looseness/tightness I do with the nut.

My throttle body's throttle plate or something is sticking. Throttle gets stuck at like 10% until I move it with my hand like 2 millimeters to the stopper it's supposed to hit when the cable's relieved of its tension. Lame. I lubed the shit out of the rotating piece and spring where the cable connects. Doesn't seem to really help that much. Probably need a new 62mm throttle body.

And of course I have to fix that stupid ass coolant line so I quit running so hot.

So far it sounds fucking awesome. The spooling sound occurs like all the time. Once I fix that coolant line and get the tune dialed in, I'll be able to get some video for you guys.

[Nate's Alero]

dude, amazing, looks amazing

[KenshinZero]

Sweet, I was hopeing you would get pics up soon. cant waight to see the vid

[DOHC_tuner]

I'm proud you dropped the supercharger and installed a Garrett turbocharger. Now I can respect your setup.

Looks awesome! Just get a different design intake manifold and adjust that intake pipe accordingly. Straight pipe over the battery does not look good.

I hope the best for you with this setup.

[cavaliers60]

looks like that pipe is welded.... Looks good. I agree though. I don't like the way the pipes are run. Can't wait to see a video of her. :)

[kwhauck]

yeah piping looks pretty hoopty......i think you need a hood scoop with a direct intake...

[[ion] C2]

Just get a different design intake manifold and adjust that intake pipe accordingly. Straight pipe over the battery does not look good.
The HO manifold (or a custom) will be coming soon... and the straight pipe is awesome. Less bends, less pipe. Straight and clean, none of this million angle bullshit. All business.
yeah piping looks pretty hoopty......
So you'd rather it have 3 more bends to make it snake around the battery instead of going directly do the hole down?

Also I ran it open downpipe until I was able to get to Midas so they could weld the rest of the exhaust to it. Shit was LOUD. I sounded like a semi. Now it's super quiet... quieter than when it had the supercharger. And I even cut off the cat. When the wastegate opens it's loud like the open downpipe again. I'm going to have it routed to the exhaust, I hate the sound of atmospheric dump.

[kwhauck]

there you go misquoting me, i mean either lose the battery for an even better path, but the best would be a hood scoop like I said above with a direct path for intake...

maybe you will finally hit 13s..........lol

[heineck]

i like thaT FMIC looks clean

[black00gt1]

WHO NEEDS A BATTERY IN THE FROUNT LOLOLOL

looks good :)

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

wow, I did not see that one coming but I like it congrats.

[GA_turbo]

Do you have the BOV connected where the map goes or somewhere else, if its tee of the map you are fine, i cant see where all your vacume lines are hooked up. Also make sure the bov piston its not stuck, i didnt see anywhere on it that said greddy so im guessing is one of the ebay ones.

[cherrington17]

i don't even know anything about turbos... and even I know that piping is retarded. Come'on Ion, relocate the battery and clean that up!

[Vic28]

that things gonna start moving :dance1: I dont really like those clamps you got, t-bolt clamps ftw. hope they dont start popping off on you.

[knuckleballer32]

looks good. ive been waiting to see pics and its comin along nice. sorry to hear you are having trouble otherwise.

[Gr1m]

i would have relocated the battery into the trunk, other then that looks good

[jrim]

Now that's some plumbing :D

Cool ion.

[01OldsAleroGt]

thats a sexy bitch.... fix the extra shit and post some numbers !!!

[[ion] C2]

Fuck you all the piping stays as is. The battery should be in the front (for many reasons) and this is the best way to route it (mechanically, efficiently) and maybe it's your opinion that it doesn't look good but wait til I clean up the bay.... it's not even clean whatsoever and shit needs to be changed...

The blow off valve is connected properly.. I'm not retarded. It's not that hard. All of the vacuum ports are post-plate on the throttle body, so any work. It is tee'd off the MAP line though. It is a Greddy Type RS clone. I have read that the Type RS's have two springs in them and many people have issues with them not opening, and to fix it, they simply remove the cap and remove one of the two springs. I'll check it when I get back from Texas on Wednesday...

[PappaSmurf]

Chris,
I think that the piping is fine, it is more THERE because of performance than looks. What if you were to do an anoidized red pipe? I bet everyone would get off your back then and tell you how nice it looks. I WISH I had the knowledge (and finances) you have in order to turn my regular 4-banger into something like yours. AWESOME job!!!!
And thanks again for the info on the magnaflows.
-Smurf-

[cherrington17]

fine then.

eff you for NOT changing your piping to make it more streamline and performance oriented.

more bends = more turbulent air flow. I guarantee that if your battery was relocated, even being in the trunk, that your electrical signals will travel faster then the air in your intake. Not moving your battery because your stubborn and lazy makes less sense then it does to relocate it.

[DOHC_tuner]

Once you get different intake manifold the plumbing of the pipe will just flow with it.

[meadus101]

The pipe directly off the turbo looks like it's squat.

[leoalero]

C2;461082']The HO manifold (or a custom) will be coming soon... and the straight pipe is awesome. Less bends, less pipe. Straight and clean, none of this million angle bullshit. All business.

So you'd rather it have 3 more bends to make it snake around the battery instead of going directly do the hole down?

Also I ran it open downpipe until I was able to get to Midas so they could weld the rest of the exhaust to it. Shit was LOUD. I sounded like a semi. Now it's super quiet... quieter than when it had the supercharger. And I even cut off the cat. When the wastegate opens it's loud like the open downpipe again. I'm going to have it routed to the exhaust, I hate the sound of atmospheric dump.

do you have pics of the downpipe??

[itsbmw]

Nice :) Help me supercharge my GP :)

[[ion] C2]

Once you get different intake manifold the plumbing of the pipe will just flow with it.
Indeed. Then the piping will be nicely curved around the battery. For the manifold have now, and what I want, this is the best option.
The pipe directly off the turbo looks like it's squat.
It's cut weird. I need to get a new black one anyway.
Chris,
I think that the piping is fine, it is more THERE because of performance than looks. What if you were to do an anoidized red pipe?

That's right, I'm wasn't concerned with visuals however almost everyone I know loves the way the pipes are (and Jan suggested it) and I wasn't about to wait even longer to get my car back so we could order some more pipes just to satisfy someone's love for unnecessary bends. I don't really like powdercoated charge piping. The polished is fine for now.
do you have pics of the downpipe??
I'll take some some other time... I was more concerned with getting my car running than taking pictures as Jan stayed past the shop closing hour of 10PM and stayed with me until it was completed at 4AM.

[Bad99Olds]

Looks awesome man. Glad everything is coming along great.

[cherrington17]

gimme less bends, or give me DEATH!

[[ion] C2]

Dude with or without the battery there, it's going the same direction, the pipe would just be angled downward... I tend to like everything straight and clean...

[cherrington17]

your engine... looks like a windows 98 screensaver.

[Nate's Alero]

your engine... looks like a windows 98 screensaver.

:haha:

[[ion] C2]

gtfo my thread

http://chromerunner.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/pipes_easter_egg.jpg

[heineck]

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http://chromerunner.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/pipes_easter_egg.jpg

:haha: :haha: :haha:
:emotlol: :emotlol: :emotlol:

[KenshinZero]

:lol:

[itsbmw]

Oh god. not that screensaver

/self

[cherrington17]

C2;461267']gtfo my thread

http://chromerunner.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/pipes_easter_egg.jpg

even you can't deny that was a good burn... :lol:

i'm done. hope you can get this one tuned/running better then the last one.

[BlackJack]

C2 this might be a dumb question on my part, but if the BOV won't kick, what size spring is in it (4psi, 6psi, 8psi, etc) vs. how much boost are you pushing? when I put mine together, same problem before I realized I had a 12psi spring in there and was only running 8psi boost.

[[ion] C2]

Yes, I discovered this BOV is designed for HIGH boost, lol. Supposedly all I need to do is remove one of the springs (It has 2 inside it) and it'll work great. I'll do that when I get back from Texas on Wednesday.

[DOHC_tuner]

I was thinking the same thing but wasnt sure

[Spilner521]

Looks good :thumb:

I'm not really a big fan of the pipe over the battery, but I like that it's a straight pipe instead of bending around the battery like mine. You could always turn the battery 90° and move it back to where the stock airbox was, then drop the charge pipe down a little. That would clean it up and make it look better. I do like the overall look of everything though.

The BOV...I know you were on a limited budget, but you would've been better of with an authentic valve instead of an eBay special. You probably wouldn't be having problems if you did. I'm sure you'll figure it out though.

Get an intake pipe and air filter on that thing!
C2 this might be a dumb question on my part, but if the BOV won't kick, what size spring is in it (4psi, 6psi, 8psi, etc) vs. how much boost are you pushing? when I put mine together, same problem before I realized I had a 12psi spring in there and was only running 8psi boost.
Blow off valves don't have springs set for certain boost pressures like in a wastegate. That's what the screw on top of an adjustable valve is for, to tighten it down if boost pressure is pushing the valve open. I've seen the Tial valves that have different springs you can choose from, but those are based on how much vacuum the engine pulls.

[Cliff8928]

Not bad.. The piping looks good, despite whatever anyone thinks on the routing.

Is that trans cooler still on there somewhere?

I haven't really worked much on a 2.4 but make sure the vacuum source for your BOV isn't ported. That could definitely affect how well it works. Are there any other vacuum sources to use on it? Preferably one at the throttle body?

[Alerosaint]

Noice!!....hmmm uh oh....there might be some hive mentality or should I say Im about to catch a case of monkey see monkey do...lol

[[ion] C2]

The BOV...I know you were on a limited budget, but you would've been better of with an authentic valve instead of an eBay special. You probably wouldn't be having problems if you did. I'm sure you'll figure it out though.
If you Google around the Greddy Type RS (real) one which this one is essentially an identical clone of, you'll find that a ton of people have issues with it and are forced to remove one spring simply because low boost pressure can't open the valve, regardless how much vacuum is seen above the diaphragm, it still requires a certain amount of pressure to push the spring back and vent the boost from the charge pipe. A weaker springs shouldn't do anything under boost as the pressure is equal on the top and bottom of the valve (manifold pressure and charge pipe pressure), but when the throttle's closed and the usual 20-22 inHg is pulling at the top of the diaphragm, you still need a certain amount of pressure to be able to compress the two springs in the valve. The two springs are too stiff for low boost, as I've read on multiple sites, so I'm guessing when I remove one, it should work fine.

Believe me, once I get a few bucks, I'll get a different one. And HPTuners. <-- Maximum priority right now.
Is that trans cooler still on there somewhere?
It's sitting at the shop, along with the supercharger and header and such that I was supposed to ship out and then realized Speed Industry wasn't open this Friday, and then flew to Texas the next morning. It was never hooked up, but I plan on putting it back on behind the intercooler and hooking it up.
I haven't really worked much on a 2.4 but make sure the vacuum source for your BOV isn't ported. That could definitely affect how well it works. Are there any other vacuum sources to use on it? Preferably one at the throttle body?What do you mean ported? I think I have it directly hooked to the throttle body. Again it's just a super stiff spring setup I'm thinking.

Compressor surge does sound pretty sweet though.

[lord2heart]

dang.... i wish i have turbo in my car

[Cliff8928]

C2;461345']
What do you mean ported? I think I have it directly hooked to the throttle body. Again it's just a super stiff spring setup I'm thinking.

Compressor surge does sound pretty sweet though.

Maybe ported wasn't the correct term (that's really for old cars). But a restricted (metered?) vacuum source that isn't getting a direct connection to manifold vacuum.

Back-spool FTL.

[GA_turbo]

C2;461206']eff you all the piping stays as is. The battery should be in the front (for many reasons) and this is the best way to route it (mechanically, efficiently) and maybe it's your opinion that it doesn't look good but wait til I clean up the bay.... it's not even clean whatsoever and shit needs to be changed...

The blow off valve is connected properly.. I'm not retarded. It's not that hard. All of the vacuum ports are post-plate on the throttle body, so any work. It is tee'd off the MAP line though. It is a Greddy Type RS clone. I have read that the Type RS's have two springs in them and many people have issues with them not opening, and to fix it, they simply remove the cap and remove one of the two springs. I'll check it when I get back from Texas on Wednesday...

Damn i wasnt saying you were retarded i was just trying to help, i know people are pissing you off with the hole piping deal but i guess ill take that as why you snap.

[[ion] C2]

Lol yeah that's what it was, sorry. It's just this thing's been a huge pain in the ass and frustration all week to get it to what it is, and I still have some problems to work out, all minor though. Can't wait to get back to fix them..

[Beholder88]

I don't care what anyone says, that setup rocks. Doesn't matter if it looks good, as long as it works!

[Trickyslick]

Nice job and sweet set up.

[kwhauck]

I don't care what anyone says, that setup rocks. Doesn't matter if it looks good, as long as it works!

yeah maybe he'll finely hit 13s......

[01OldsAleroGt]

i never said anything bad.. just fix the shit thats wrong with it.. but G/L with it man....
Its still a sexy bitch:yahoo:

[Spilner521]

Looking through the pictures again I noticed something. You're going to melt that brake booster hose right next to the turbine housing. It gets so hot it glows orange when you're at WOT. Just get rid of the hard line connected to it and run a hose from the booster to the vacuum port it's connected to.
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that things gonna start moving :dance1: I dont really like those clamps you got, t-bolt clamps ftw. hope they dont start popping off on you.
I run 25psi on regular screw clamps. He'll be fine.

[AJules]

Nice, now lets see some times.

[[ion] C2]

Looking through the pictures again I noticed something. You're going to melt that brake booster hose right next to the turbine housing. It gets so hot it glows orange when you're at WOT. Just get rid of the hard line connected to it and run a hose from the booster to the vacuum port it's connected to.
That's what Jan said too. Same with the oil dipstick... which is already geting darker,

My hose I used for the brake booster is flattened when the car is running. Apparently it isn't reinforced as it claimed it was. So I'll run a stronger hose straight from the throttle body to the brake booster, or just cap it off.

[worknprog.99]

damn you ion you have it easier to run the plumbing than i do lol

[jrim]

Looking forward to a video ion :D

[xXManwhoreXx]

looking nice

[GA_turbo]

How do you have you return line ran thru?

[[ion] C2]

Drops down between the transmission and block to a 90 degree -10AN fitting welded into the pan just to the right of the metal coolant hose that wraps around the bottom of the oil pan.

[Spilner521]

C2;462421']Drops down between the transmission and block to a 90 degree -10AN fitting welded into the pan just to the right of the metal coolant hose that wraps around the bottom of the oil pan.
Did you happen to look at that area at all, between the transmission and engine block/oil pan? Man is that ever a tight spot...

My 90° fitting into the pan was touching the transmission case just by a little bit.