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[worknprog.99]

so me and my friend have been talking and i am considering super charging my ride. but since its not the 3800 obviously i would think getting ahold of a kit or parts would be harder. and i know people on here have done it so any input or tips or anything that may hel thanks:cool:

[Nate's Alero]

you have the 3400..... turbo would be easier and more efficient

[kwhauck]

the only thing you can do outside of custom is keep your eyes open for a maggie kit to go up for sale..........

[Nate's Alero]

the only thing you can do outside of custom is keep your eyes open for a maggie kit to go up for sale..........

and they are like
6 to 16K dollars

[worknprog.99]

thanks... what all would turbo involve ? and yes its the 3400. how much would it cost? turbo vs. supercharge

[Nate's Alero]

thanks... what all would turbo involve ? and yes its the 3400. how much would it cost? turbo vs. supercharge

uuuh, well, i know and think there is testing going on for a turbo kit... but i dont know if ti is real

[worknprog.99]

all instalation would be done by me and my friend so that wouldnt factor in in costs

[worknprog.99]

uuuh, well, i know and think there is testing going on for a turbo kit... but i dont know if ti is real

i like turbo better but here at my work we have had some turbo saabs which are automatic and they have a lot of lag would that be true with all auto turbos?

[kwhauck]

no.....

[kwhauck]

and they are like
6 to 16K dollars

$6,000 to $16000 :lol: you are smoking crack, they usually go for $2000-$3500......

[Vinalero]

I am no turbo guru, but if you find the good turbo size for your set up, you won't get too much lag. And also turbo lag is kinda cool :lol:

You see, turbo lag comes from the fact that it takes some exhaust velocity to rotate the turbo's propeller faster, which gives boost. The bigger the turbo, the more exhaust gas needed to rotate it faster. Small turbo will spool fast, but won't give you lots of pressure and I think if its too small for the quantity of exhaust gas that operate it, it will turn too fast and can break. At the opposite, a turbo too big will take too much time to reach a certain spool, and you will have a huge lag.

Look in the For Sale section, maybe you could work something out with Aftermath alero that wants to sell his turbo set up?

[kwhauck]

nope he sold his car complete....

[Vinalero]

Awww that could have been a good deal.

[worknprog.99]

$6,000 to $16000 :lol: you are smoking crack, they usually go for $2000-$3500......

yes smoking crack indeed lol with that much money i would buy a wrx haha

[worknprog.99]

would turbo be overall cheaper and easier to accomplish?
im getting pretty serious about trying one of these setups

[alerored04]

There is a supercharger fs on gagt.com but it is a RSM unit and the superchargers are usually a little higher in price and with a little less potential but simpler to get setup imo.

[worknprog.99]

There is a supercharger fs on gagt.com but it is a RSM unit and the superchargers are usually a little higher in price and with a little less potential but simpler to get setup imo.

can you post the link for that?

[billytheman1188]

with the RSM there are some glitches that need to be fixed. i forget what they are, but make sure you fix them before putting it on.

you can buy a new RSM on PFYC.....but they are pricey

[worknprog.99]

is there any way to possibly use like a turbo from a saab or sc from like a gp or something like that but just somehow get a longer shaft to the pullies?

[Kilroy]

Aftermarket superchargers for the 3400 mount on the side and use a shaft that runs the length of the engine block to a pulley at the front of the engine. There in is where the problem lies. You have a long shaft running to the supercharger. The Supercharger off the GP, is most likely the one off of the 3800, and it has an intake manifold that sits ontop of the engine, where the charger mounts. No such setup exists for the 3400, so unless you are dang good at fabrication, you will not get a supercharger that sits ontop of the engiine.

From what I have seen the guys on this forum do with a turbo, is also all custom fabrication, but look alot easier to do (although I personally still wouldn't call it "easy") It seems like once the two headers meet, you route the exhasut to a trbo sitting behind your engine, and then route the boost to your intake. Of course the airbox and battery are removed, and I would suppose the battery is relocated to the trunk. You would have to figure out how and where to position the turbo, how to bend and route all the plumbing, etc. etc.

I still want to find a good fabricator and figure out how to mount a supercharger ontop of the engine. maybe cut the intake manifold up and go to town with a bunch of aluminum, and lots of tig welding???? But that project is for a later time.

[worknprog.99]

Aftermarket superchargers for the 3400 mount on the side and use a shaft that runs the length of the engine block to a pulley at the front of the engine. There in is where the problem lies. You have a long shaft running to the supercharger. The Supercharger off the GP, is most likely the one off of the 3800, and it has an intake manifold that sits ontop of the engine, where the charger mounts. No such setup exists for the 3400, so unless you are dang good at fabrication, you will not get a supercharger that sits ontop of the engiine.

From what I have seen the guys on this forum do with a turbo, is also all custom fabrication, but look alot easier to do (although I personally still wouldn't call it "easy") It seems like once the two headers meet, you route the exhasut to a trbo sitting behind your engine, and then route the boost to your intake. Of course the airbox and battery are removed, and I would suppose the battery is relocated to the trunk. You would have to figure out how and where to position the turbo, how to bend and route all the plumbing, etc. etc.

I still want to find a good fabricator and figure out how to mount a supercharger ontop of the engine. maybe cut the intake manifold up and go to town with a bunch of aluminum, and lots of tig welding???? But that project is for a later time.

thanks alot of good info...

all sounds hard and quite pricey

[leoalero]

if you wanna go turbo,the good in it is that you can do it the way you want it to be,not really hard,piping intercooler,turbocharger,BOV,wastegate,couplers,cl ips and some custom work for the downpipe and turbo manifolds and if you buy it at good price its not expensive at all!!for the tuning,i cannot help cause i dont even know what it is really(never saw someone do it)!!

[kwhauck]

I still want to find a good fabricator and figure out how to mount a supercharger ontop of the engine. maybe cut the intake manifold up and go to town with a bunch of aluminum, and lots of tig welding???? But that project is for a later time.

it isn't hard to do, actually it would be really easy to do, but who the hell wants to run around with a big ass hole in their hood with a supercharger sticking out, or who wants an 8in cowl on an alero to hide it, it would look pretty rediculous, so yes the front mount is your option and that in itself isn't that hard either, just takes money and time, and if you have one you usually don't have the other....

[Kilroy]

it isn't hard to do, actually it would be really easy to do, but who the hell wants to run around with a big ass hole in their hood with a supercharger sticking out, or who wants an 8in cowl on an alero to hide it, it would look pretty rediculous, so yes the front mount is your option and that in itself isn't that hard either, just takes money and time, and if you have one you usually don't have the other....

But I would try to get it fitting low onto the engine. Might need to make a complete custom manifold, or modify the S/C for the 3800 to fit the 3400. It's getting it low enough on the engine that will be the fun part. Never said it would be easy.

[kwhauck]

have you ever looked the UIM? it is about as low as it is gonna get and be functional. It maybe could be moved down an in, but that would be a huge stretch and your runners would be almost horizontal.....and all this is without an intercooler.....that brings up a whole new set of problems.....

[Kilroy]

have you ever looked the UIM? it is about as low as it is gonna get and be functional. It maybe could be moved down an in, but that would be a huge stretch and your runners would be almost horizontal.....and all this is without an intercooler.....that brings up a whole new set of problems.....

I realize that, but hte one on the 3800 is done like that. The Supercharger bottom is actually the intake. I realized you can't intercool it then, but then again, ANY supercharger that sits atop the engine can't be intercooled. That is a big advantage of a turbo, you can cool the compressed charge before it entering the engine.

[worknprog.99]

so many people say turbo before sc because of costs what would a turbo setup run price wise?

[jrim]

so many people say turbo before sc because of costs what would a turbo setup run price wise?

2k is your low point. maybe 1.5k if you're really lucky. and that's a used kit.

[worknprog.99]

2k is your low point. maybe 1.5k if you're really lucky. and that's a used kit.

why is this stuf so expensive? seriously tho are materials to make the kits themselves really that costly?

[Caboose73]

Well a good turbo is like 1200,bov-200ish,WG-250ish,Inter-cooler any were from 100-500,piping a few 100 and all the other random vacuum lines and oil lines 200ish prob more turbo manifold 225 from ebay way more for a custom one total atleast 2.5-3k for everything new

[kwhauck]

I realize that, but hte one on the 3800 is done like that. The Supercharger bottom is actually the intake. I realized you can't intercool it then, but then again, ANY supercharger that sits atop the engine can't be intercooled. That is a big advantage of a turbo, you can cool the compressed charge before it entering the engine.

you really need to rethink what you think you know about superchargers....

First off, the 3800 is a totally different motor, and was designed from the factory with a supercharger on top, so yes obviously they would make it fit. And secondly there are a ton of superchargers that sit on top of motor with intercoolers. And lastly, why the hell would you want to use an m90 from a 3800 motor, other than they are cheap, when you are going custom the m90 is low man on the totem pole, they are ineffecient and couple that with not having an intercooler and they get even worse, there is a reason i ditched the hEatons.......

[Kilroy]

you really need to rethink what you think you know about superchargers....

First off, the 3800 is a totally different motor, and was designed from the factory with a supercharger on top, so yes obviously they would make it fit. And secondly there are a ton of superchargers that sit on top of motor with intercoolers. And lastly, why the hell would you want to use an m90 from a 3800 motor, other than they are cheap, when you are going custom the m90 is low man on the totem pole, they are ineffecient and couple that with not having an intercooler and they get even worse, there is a reason i ditched the hEatons.......

On an engine setup with the supercharger ontop of the engine, you cannot cool the air going from the supercharger to the engine. You would need a pretty massive and restrictive adapter to do it. You COULD cool the air BEFORE it gets to the supercharger, but then it wouldn't be an "intercooler" it would just be a CAI!!

[worknprog.99]

wasnt there a buick with a 3400 sc?

[kwhauck]

On an engine setup with the supercharger ontop of the engine, you cannot cool the air going from the supercharger to the engine. You would need a pretty massive and restrictive adapter to do it. You COULD cool the air BEFORE it gets to the supercharger, but then it wouldn't be an "intercooler" it would just be a CAI!!

yes you can......most call it a sandwich intercooler.....seriously i am gonna have to slap somebody......

look at this there is even one for the 3800, OMG!!!

http://www.thrashercharged.com/L67_htm/new_cooler.shtm

http://image.musclemustangfastfords.com/f/9004642/mmfp_0609_06z+1999_ford_f150_lightning+intercooler _core.jpg

http://www.evoperform.com/shop/images/M-6066-F104.jpg


wasnt there a buick with a 3400 sc?

m62, yes
3400, no

[Cliff8928]

There wasn't a production supercharged 3400, only concepts.

[Spilner521]

On an engine setup with the supercharger ontop of the engine, you cannot cool the air going from the supercharger to the engine. You would need a pretty massive and restrictive adapter to do it.
You may want to check that...


Corvette ZR1 intercooled supercharger
http://www.corvetteblog.com/LS9%20Supercharger%20with%20Intercooler.jpg

Here you can see the intercooler inside the manifold that this supercharger sits on top of
http://www.bulletcars.com/images/superchargers/toyota-landcruiser-intercooled-kit.jpg

Stillen 350Z/G35 intercooled supercharger
http://image.superstreetonline.com/f/9283177/130_0708_36_z+engine_tuning_kits+stillen_superchar ger.jpg
yes you can......most call it a sandwich intercooler.....seriously i am gonna have to slap somebody......


Yeah seriously, I hear ya.

[Cliff8928]

The LC3 too... This was probably the basis for the LS9.

http://www.gm.com/experience/technology/gmpowertrain/pbc/lc3_cadillac/photo_gallery/images/06_4-4l_lc3_sc6.jpg

[worknprog.99]

does anyone have a sc or turbo kit for sale?

[will176]

http://www.pfyc.com/pc/GA3017/ALUNDER/RSM+Supercharger+Kit+-+Cavalier%2C+Malibu%2C+Sunfire%2C+Grand+Am%2C+Aler o.html i don't know much about this, but i was brosing pfyc and came across it so i figured i'd send it your way, maybe someone here has some experiance with it

[kwhauck]

stay away from it!!!

[xXManwhoreXx]

Small turbo will spool fast, but won't give you lots of pressure and I think if its too small for the quantity of exhaust gas that operate it, it will turn too fast and can break. At the opposite, a turbo too big will take too much time to reach a certain spool, and you will have a huge lag.


False, 12psi on a big turbo and a 12 psi on a little turbo are very much different and the power will be different as well. My suggestion though would be a t3/t4 50 trim or so

[[ion] C2]

Does a big turbo make more hp than a small turbo on the same engine at the same psi? (http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1055905)

[knuckleballer32]

12psi is 12psi. a bigger turbo isnt going to make its 12psi any better than a smaller turbo is my understanding.

[[ion] C2]

Well, you're wrong. I even posted a link above. :)

Although the measurement of resistance in the manifold is the same, the flow through the engine can be different. It's about FLOW at certain pressure levels. CFM.

[leoalero]

same psi but more ''flow'' if i can say it like that,PSI is just compressed air,pressure!!

[xXManwhoreXx]

yaaaah what he said haha

im going to build and boost my CRX soon since my piston rings are leaking hella oil i feel like a sooting diesel truck haha

[Spilner521]

While two turbos may run the same amount of boost pressure, the larger one will pump a larger volume of air into the engine. If you run a small turbo at 12psi, and then swap to a larger turbo and still run 12psi and add the right amount of fuel, the engine will make more power on the larger turbo at the same boost pressure.

You have to look at how much air is actually flowing into the engine, not just the pressure of the air.