Rust

[cherrington17]

I got some rust forming just long the inside edge, on the forward most part of my door. (was checking my tire pressure, looked back and noticed it)

how do i fix/prevent it from growing? I know you have to grind the rust off... but what after that? i don't want my door to have a, not straight line on the front edge.

this also goes for other spots. i have a few little spots where i can see a little orange developing.

[adam337]

dont worry about it man. havent you seen clutch's thread.. its the new thing.

[cherrington17]

yeah... no.

i don't want my car to rust apart. put a rod through the hood maybe... but not rust apart.

....maybe i'm just vain like that. :lol:

[lonnie]

I'm no body man but aren't you suppose to sand that off and seal it with some type of paint/sealer combo...of course that's in inconspicuous areas and not on the outside.?

[billytheman1188]

If you want to STOP it....that requires cutting out the area where the rust is and welding in a new piece of sheet metal. If you want to slow it down, grind it down, CLEAN IT VERY GOOD after your done grinding/sanding. then you should spray the area with some epoxy primer and paint the area(s).

[cherrington17]

ok. how do i fill in the gap i leave when i sand it out.

my door will be all wierd shaped... like the side of billy's head.

[[ion] C2]

If you want to stop it you sand it all off and coat everything with Por-15. Lol.

My car's getting coated in that stuff when it gets fully repainted. No rust.

[billytheman1188]

ok. how do i fill in the gap i leave when i sand it out.

my door will be all wierd shaped... like the side of billy's head.


I doubt your car is rusting that bad....to the point where it breaks off and leaves a gap. If thats the case though, you need to weld a new piece in.....

[whiterider00]

C2;428488']If you want to stop it you sand it all off and coat everything with Por-15.


that shit is amazing...definately the way to go.

[cherrington17]

I doubt your car is rusting that bad....to the point where it breaks off and leaves a gap. If thats the case though, you need to weld a new piece in.....


if i sand it off... the outer edge of my door will be like this...


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granted.. its might not be enough for anyone else to notice... BUT I WILL

where do you find POR-15, and how do you use it?

[Caboose73]

http://www.por15.com/

[lonnie]

The rust may not be all the way through the metal it could be surface rust...If that is the case then just sand that off and seal it....Thats what I was saying!

[bdyman]

let me say this about por-15, it is amazing stuff it can be brushed on or sprayed on, can have bondo applied over it, paint over it, but what ion wants to do there is no need for that none at all

if you plan on goin all the way to bare metal and if the shop uses dp sealer dbu and dbc can be painted right over and it awesome at anti rust, plus after bondo work if the shop uses ncp 271 which is also a high build rust stoping material primer which is on my car there will be no rust, there will be no body work swelling back

so no need for a whole car to be por-15, maybe coat the inside of the door along the bottom, and the 1/4`s, and coat the inside of the fenders, inside the wheel house, the rocker panles

to the original poster i need a better visual of what you want to do

[cherrington17]

i'll try to get a pic tomorrow.


if a car came in to your shop, to fix small rust spots(by small, i mean like maybe an inch long spot on a door seam), and rust proof common spots (on an alero) what would the average cost run?

[natedawg9640]

let me say this about por-15, it is amazing stuff it can be brushed on or sprayed on, can have bondo applied over it, paint over it, but what ion wants to do there is no need for that none at all

if you plan on goin all the way to bare metal and if the shop uses dp sealer dbu and dbc can be painted right over and it awesome at anti rust, plus after bondo work if the shop uses ncp 271 which is also a high build rust stoping material primer which is on my car there will be no rust, there will be no body work swelling back

so no need for a whole car to be por-15, maybe coat the inside of the door along the bottom, and the 1/4`s, and coat the inside of the fenders, inside the wheel house, the rocker panles

to the original poster i need a better visual of what you want to do

though I hate the way you rain on people's parade when they want to do body work themselves, I am constantly amazed of how much shit you know and how good you are at it. grumpy... but an asset to the site for sure.:ninja:

[bdyman]

iam here to help anyone that needs it

[natedawg9640]

^ post check

[bdyman]

what??

[99alerogirl]

just spread love juices all over it. it always works for me.




edit: and it's free. all it takes is about... well in your case, a minute of your time. ;)

[bdyman]

wow that`s something

[cherrington17]

wow that`s something

ignore her... shes drunk.

[natedawg9640]

just spread love juices all over it. it always works for me.




edit: and it's free. all it takes is about... well in your case, a minute of your time. ;)

yeah wow... lol. not sure how to take that... i know how i did take it... but i doubt it was the correct way

[99alerogirl]

ignore her... shes drunk.

YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT.


no really, please don't. and even if i were, that doesn't constitute for ignoring.




dangit.

[cherrington17]

let me say this about por-15, it is amazing stuff it can be brushed on or sprayed on, can have bondo applied over it, paint over it, but what ion wants to do there is no need for that none at all

if you plan on goin all the way to bare metal and if the shop uses dp sealer dbu and dbc can be painted right over and it awesome at anti rust, plus after bondo work if the shop uses ncp 271 which is also a high build rust stoping material primer which is on my car there will be no rust, there will be no body work swelling back

so no need for a whole car to be por-15, maybe coat the inside of the door along the bottom, and the 1/4`s, and coat the inside of the fenders, inside the wheel house, the rocker panles

to the original poster i need a better visual of what you want to do

so POR-15 is a rather easy fix? grind/sand, clean, apply, repaint? interesting.

I've also heard of some chemical that turns FEO (rust) into Magnesium Oxide (or something) essentially, stops the rust reaction, and turns the rust into a hard black, rust proof compound. Heard of anything like that? I read about that years ago, and don't remember specifics... i'll try to search.

anywho. For a professional "rust/scratch/dent" service... about what would you charge, and how long would i take? (so i know approximately how much i'm spending/saving)

Here are the pics...

First: forward most edge of the door
second (blurry): bottom seam, inside the door
Third: Rear driver's tire well...

[99alerogirl]

that's some nasty rust you got there.

[billytheman1188]

^Agreed. What year is your car? How often do you wash that thing man!?

[cherrington17]

in the summer, quite often. winter? one good wash before, maybe one carwash during.

and its an 2003. :glare:

i suppose before i got it, it might have gone unwashed for quite a while.

[bdyman]

here are the labor rates where iw ork
body labor is 65
paint labor is 55

no shop ever warranties rust repair, so when its fixed thats it its fixed the way the shop would fix rust

well you have to include all the r&i work as well, like on the 1/4 drop the bumper down remove the tail light, if you want the 1/4 glass out and the rear window molding removed, and remove the rocker panle molding

same with the doors remove, mirror, belt molding, body side molding, door handle, trim panle,

all what you see would add up to about 2.5-3.0 body hoursx65 an hour
at least 5 hours to repair the 1/4, and 5 to repair the door, again at 65 an hour

paint labor is about 5 hours per panle, plus buffing, plus masking plus cover the car, plus material, at 55 an hour

so add the number plus tax, plus hazordous material,

the stuff you talk about is crap!!! we used that product on the state farms agent 69 el camino guess what it came back with the rust in worse shape,

por-15 is a great product its durable, its paintable, sandable, but what you have inside that door i wouldnt touch, the door skin is going to have to be peeled down to fix the door shell, and if the shell is beyond repair well your better off getting a new door or junk yard door

the product by ppg dp 40 all the way to dp 90 its just colors, is next to por-15 the best rust preventiive on the market,

hope this helps

[cherrington17]

so best bet is to hold off wait for it to get worse... then just replace the rusted panels and get a new paint job while i'm at it. :lol:

[MattismodderX]

rust is a terrible thing. replace the panel screw trying to fix it. ive tried that many many times and it keeps on getting worse. now some of the metal is completely gone

[meadus101]

If you guys call that bad rust, you haven't seen a newfoundland car.


My car turns white once a Week from the amount of salt they use on the roads here.

Maybe I should take some pictures of my Rust spots for you guys.

[dragon8807]

here's some pics of the rust on my ho
http://i40.tinypic.com/f0nbf6.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/30c6ccl.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/o0bj1u.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/j5ungw.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/16igq34.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/1zt7ir.jpg

[cherrington17]

so if i wanted to fix some of the smaller areas myself... i'd have to clean, sand down to bare metal, por-15 it, then get some color matched paint and repaint the por-15'd area?

hmm...

[bdyman]

god damn dude, to far to even fix, it would cost you more then what the car is worth, like i said, inside the door, i wouldnt touch the skin would have to be pulled back, do you know how to do that?? probably not, and i cant tell you online it wont happen

what you can do is
a.leave it alone and have it fixed at a shop
b. just use a scraper to get the flaking rust off and por-15 over it, and leave it alone,

what you want to do is probably going to come in some sort of rattle can, or something on that line, you do something in the garage, leave it until you have the money, then bring it to a shop, if i saw something like that i would tack on an extra 1 hour per panle that was backyard fixed

so it`s ur choice really

[AftermathAlero]

Holy Crap thats PRETTY BAD! I feel bad for you guys.

Anywho.. I love the south! no snow AKA.. no salt on the roads in winter = no rust on my car. hehehehhe Everyone should move down.

[Oldsnut]

Thanks for giving us a place to stay.

No thanks, I like my 4 seasons even if some are a pain in the ass.

[cherrington17]

god damn dude, to far to even fix, it would cost you more then what the car is worth, like i said, inside the door, i wouldnt touch the skin would have to be pulled back, do you know how to do that?? probably not, and i cant tell you online it wont happen

what you can do is
a.leave it alone and have it fixed at a shop
b. just use a scraper to get the flaking rust off and por-15 over it, and leave it alone,

what you want to do is probably going to come in some sort of rattle can, or something on that line, you do something in the garage, leave it until you have the money, then bring it to a shop, if i saw something like that i would tack on an extra 1 hour per panle that was backyard fixed

so it`s ur choice really


so with POR-15... you don't have to grind down to fresh metal?

[Cliff8928]

so with POR-15... you don't have to grind down to fresh metal?

POR = Paint Over Rust

:icon_rolleyes: newb

[C_EICK]

why is it that you east coasters always have rust problems?

[cherrington17]

POR = Paint Over Rust

:icon_rolleyes: newb


DAAUURRR. wow. didn't even THINK that could be for that. :No:



why do we have rust problems? um... probably cuz we get 80 cubic tons of salt dropped on our roads for 6 months outta the year?

[clutch1]

Omg I'm so glad my car doesn't look like that wow.. :O

The 95' Aurora only has 3 spots, all being relatively minor, what I'm planning on fixing this year.. Dragon's is absolutely ridiculous :S

[Nate's Alero]

Christ Dragon :0 That Is Realllllly Bad

[cherrington17]

why is it that you east coasters always have rust problems?

thats why.


i just carwashed/wax last week. it rained the day after.. then snowed for the past 3 days. after driving to school for a week... THAT is the result.

in those heavy white spots... i could probably chip the salt off my car. I wonder why those spots are also starting to rust... hmm....

(kind hard to see, but the rocker panel has a pretty heavy coating between it and the door, the molding on the side has salt about 1/16th thick at the front, as do all the seams on the front end)

[lonnie]

Thats why I immediately rinse my car as soon as that crap builds up.

[99alerogirl]

get that salty shit off your car cherry. that's gross, you perv.

[cherrington17]

eh.. why bother? rain rinses it off... and off the roads. if i rinse it off, i'll be spraying my car EVERY time i pull in the driveway.

you can SEE salt standing on the roads...

[lonnie]

Eh not really, and rain wont get that caked up stuff off of there at all. To each his own but it makes your car look like its in need of lotion...LOL

[Dhoyle]

im soo happy i live in florida lols