dents question

[jerzboi87]

I am tryin to do my best to fix my alero that i had bought
i have two big dents (one on the roof and one on the hood) and a bunch of door dingers
any one have any ideas how to get the little ones out with out havin to pay to get em fixed

thanks!

[bdyman]

hoods, roofs, deck lids, are the hardest to get dents out, some can be removes by paintless dent removal, or if they cant do it then thats where we step in and fix the dents
i suggest not tryin to fix the hood and roof, due to the lack of experience, and due to the dents you want to fix are on the worst panles on the car
so i suggest tryin pdr or have the panles fixed

[Valley olds]

I am not sure about this but a friend told me this. He told me to get one of those cans that blow air. I dont remember what its called, but they use it to remove dust from keyboards and stuff. After you get the can, he told me to just blow a big bunch of air with the can onto the dent. After that, just let it cool down and supposedly by when its cool, the dent will lift out. You may want to look it up on youtube, thats where he told me he saw it. Someone also once suggested to me using a plunger, but that sounds wayyyyyyyy to ghetto, even for me.

[cliffordwoeller]

lmao yeah i had a body shop look at the one i have on the rear driver tire well and said they would charge 500 for it to be fixed and painted

[cherrington17]

i just wail around it with a ball pein hammer until the whole fender is the same depth as the first dent. "if you can't beat them,join them" mentality. :lol:

[bdyman]

wow, no sorry dude compressed air in a can will not get dents out, sometimes real small dents i can pop out with my torch, but were talkin about a dent the size of a quater
i suggest paintless dent repair and go from there

[Naich]

I've also heard that dry ice can actually pull out really mild dents as well. But I agree with the paintless dent repair. I'm going to try that with my wife's car probably before we sell it.

[AGT]

I've also heard that dry ice can actually pull out really mild dents as well. But I agree with the paintless dent repair. I'm going to try that with my wife's car probably before we sell it.


Me too. I heard it and saw it work. Might try it.

[adam337]

the whole compressed air idea is funny because the air coming out of those cans is COLD not hot. so how would it cool down?

[bdyman]

dry ice method does work on small dents, i wont go into the process for it to long to boring
dude how would cold air cool down???
so dude try PDR first

[01silveralero]

wow, no sorry dude compressed air in a can will not get dents out, sometimes real small dents i can pop out with my torch, but were talkin about a dent the size of a quater
i suggest paintless dent repair and go from there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miNykNl-0NM

hate to prove u wrong but watch

[bdyman]

i dont give a flyin rats ass wut video u post i know it wont, so for that video your banned

[01silveralero]

well just because u dont use that way doesnt mean it doesnt work though

[Kilroy]

i dont give a flyin rats ass wut video u post i know it wont, so for that video your banned

You're banning him for showing a video about fixing dents that works, and just because you don't beleive it?? Did you not take science in high school, or have you even made it to high school yet?? It is basic physics, that proves in itself that it works!!!!

[01silveralero]

its alright kilroy the guy doesnt want to listen so thats perfectly fine. he just doesnt want to hear the truth that it works. im sure he has alot of experience with working with dents it may not exactly be the "perfect" way to get the dent out entirely but it does make it not noticeable.

[Valley olds]

Adam337, I actually meant the opposite of cool down, which I guess is Warm down. My bad

[bdyman]

oh ya your all right, iam such a dumbass, oh me oh my what am i goin to do i was called a dumbass online i must go slit my wrists now
laugh all you want while you were suckin on momma`s nipple i was in a shop learning a trade that makes me money and made a name for my self
so no iam sorry iam not a cool desk jocky like allot of you kids on here so i guess that makes me a complete dumbass

[cliffordwoeller]

yopu know i think the one should be banned is bdyman he seems like an egotistical run your mouth big shot that prob isnt nothing ...i mean he had no right to just be a complete jerk for no given reason

[bdyman]

lol i have been banned so many times it dont bother me, but when iam attacked i attack back, so let me get this straight you want a 15 yr jorney man to believe that a can or compressed air can take a dent out is this right, so when i go to work on monday, and try to remove a dent with my blow gun becasue it is compressed air right, and when my boss see`s me doing this and starts to laugh his ass off, i should tell him no no wait scot some kids on a forum told me that if i take compressed air i can remove this dent, or even better yet maybe compressed air can pull frames, ya!!! or or maybe compressed air can fix b-pillars,, 1/4 panel,, hell i could be a fuckin millionaire all becasue of compressed air
now c`mon anyone with fab`n skill knows that heat/ and cold shrinking WITH A HAMMER shapes metal
i would be the laughin stock at the shop, but i will tell everyone that the kids on aleromod.com are way more knowlegble then some old guy hell i dont know shit compressed air is the shixnit right, what was i thinking?!?!?!?
mods admin do what ya want i give up

[Valley olds]

Hey bdyman, I am just offering some advice I heard. I ain't pointing a gun at anyone's head so they believe me. I myself, am kind of skeptical, but I will not shoot the idea down because I haven't tried it, or seen the video myself. Also using compressed air in a can, is for someone who doesnt have the propper tools like you do. I know I don't have a torch to use whenever I feel like it. The reason I would try this after some research, is because I have a very low budget. I don't know where you live, but down here, PDR is like 50$ a dent (door dings). What do you think someone without a job will most likely do, research and buy a 5$ can of compressed air, or go and pay 50$ he doesnt have per dent for PDR?

[-Alero-]

hey bdyman, you heard anything about that simioniz, do it yourself dent puller kit for pulling out small dings

[bdyman]

yes our PDR guys uses it, and it works, its to bad your down south our PDR guys is awesome and he is cheap too,

[Kilroy]

lol i have been banned so many times it dont bother me, but when iam attacked i attack back, so let me get this straight you want a 15 yr jorney man to believe that a can or compressed air can take a dent out is this right, so when i go to work on monday, and try to remove a dent with my blow gun becasue it is compressed air right, and when my boss see`s me doing this and starts to laugh his ass off, i should tell him no no wait scot some kids on a forum told me that if i take compressed air i can remove this dent, or even better yet maybe compressed air can pull frames, ya!!! or or maybe compressed air can fix b-pillars,, 1/4 panel,, hell i could be a effin millionaire all becasue of compressed air
now c`mon anyone with fab`n skill knows that heat/ and cold shrinking WITH A HAMMER shapes metal
i would be the laughin stock at the shop, but i will tell everyone that the kids on aleromod.com are way more knowlegble then some old guy hell i dont know shit compressed air is the shixnit right, what was i thinking?!?!?!?
mods admin do what ya want i give up



How about breathing in a whole can of compressed air? That will definetly fix the problem.

If you TIP THE FRIGGIN CAN UPSIDE DOWN!!!!!!!!!!! you are in essence have a can of cooling agent. If you are too stupid to realize that you have to tip the can upside down, then PLEASE tell me where you work, so i will NEVER brink my vehicle there. As I said, simple physics explains it. I couldn't give a shit if you had 40 years in bodywork, just because you've never done it before doesn't mean it won't work!!!!!!

And throwing in the "canned air can straghten a frame" stuff, just goes to prove how much of an idiot you are!!!

[natedawg9640]

wow... haven't seen bdyman around in a while... i remember arguing with him becasue i asked a tip on how to paint my own car and he insisted that anyone who doesn't have his 15 year experience or whatever is incapable of doing anything but consuming oxygen. no compressed air won't do anything... but super cooled liquid CO2 will... he must not have watched the vid... the science behind it makes perfect sense to me... mioght not be the cleanest fix but it's better than nothing if you can't afford to pay somebody to do it for you. i do agree with him though that it's not something that will fix things as well as an actual repair. but bdyman... tone it down with the noobs... they get easily offended and haven't been around long enough to know that you are a grumpy guy. :ninja:

[bdyman]

you guys can think what you want to i dont need to be a fuckin rocket scientist to fix a car, dry ice on small quater size dents will work, but how the in the world can you tell me that compressed air is goin to pull a dent out???
so if i take my blow gun tip it upside down right side up shove it up your ass how is it goin to pull a dent out, especially if a dent has a real bad crease around it, HOW?!?!?!?
iam not the dumb ass here i know compressed air will not pull a dent out i know it wont, i showed this thread to my boss and the rest of the guys and everyone at work laughed ther ass`s off at the fact that you kids think that a can of compressed air is going to pull a dent out
dont worry my talent will never touch your fuckin car prick, only the midwest guys will have there cars touched by a professional
but hey wtf do i know iam just a dumbass, and i dont a phd to fix cars like the rest of you kids do

[Nate's Alero]

wow someone woke up on the wrong side of the workshop! damn cant you shut up and accept the fact that it works????? I JUST WENT AND DID IT!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

[cherrington17]

I believe they are talking about canned air, not an compressed air gun. when inverted the propellant in the can is shot out, instead of the air, which will come out as a supercooling liquid (for the second before it evaporates) it works the same as dry ice.

http://www.wisebread.com/remove-car-dents-quickly-and-cheaply

should be the second one on the page...


this won't be a flawless job, of course. if you want your car to look stock (or better) you'd have to have a shop do it...

[Valley olds]

Damn Bdyman, you are really taking this out of hand. Nowhere in your last post did I see an argument from your behalf on why the can wouldnt work. Everybody else seems to be showing links to support them, and all I see you do is talk about what a bad idea it is without anything to back what your saying up. If there are videos and links about this, there must be some truth behind it. Shouldnt there?

[Blender345]

bdyman if your going to get that angry about it, you probably shouldn't bother looking at the thread. It seems like you don't want anyone to accept anything under "a professional job". Not everyone wants to spend that kind of money. I am happy this method worked for you and if I ever get dents I will def try it. Bdyman I suggest you try it to... why not?

[bdyman]

never will i try that, iam too stupid to try it and i dont have a phd in physics so i will stick to my old skool ways to shape metal
i ban my self

[jayson_waltz]

wow another one. first off for the question, i'd just go ask around at your local body shop. they will usually tell you lots of good information.

second, yes bdyman (sickfish, whatever u want to be called) you do have lots of knowledge and experience, but you are so into yourself all you ever think is your way is the only one that works. that is not true. are lots of different methods and everyone with a different opinion isn't always in you words "a dumbass". you have been banned for that before, you should be smarter than that. but time and time again you prove that you are not and just cut down other members for no reason, proving that u you are the dumbass. not them.
wow someone woke up on the wrong side of the workshop!
nope, he's just always like that.

i'm done ranting now:p

[-Alero-]

yes our PDR guys uses it, and it works, its to bad your down south our PDR guys is awesome and he is cheap too,


were you replying to my question??? if so, i saw the "as seen on TV" simioniz do it yourself PDR kit at wal mart and i was curious if it was worth buying, and i know your the man when it comes to this stuff

[bdyman]

not into my self into my trade, iam very very passionate about what i do for a living, have allot of knowledge, and tell people the correct way to fix cars, if someone cant handle the way iam turn the other way, if ya like my in your face advice i will be more then happy to help
ask anyone how often i have helped allot of members on this forum,
from scot all the way to brent
you meet me in person iam the same way, an asshole but a asshole that gives good advice

[Oldsnut]

not into my self into my trade, iam very very passionate about what i do for a living, have allot of knowledge, and tell people the correct way to fix cars, if someone cant handle the way iam turn the other way, if ya like my in your face advice i will be more then happy to help
ask anyone how often i have helped allot of members on this forum,
from scot all the way to brent
you meet me in person iam the same way, an asshole but a asshole that gives good advice
Guys, you may hate his tude but you should heed his warnings and listen to his advice, he is an artist in his trade.
I have personally seen his work and so have many others. He has helped many on here who have screwed up over the years and many from making the mistake in the first place. I have been helped by him.

Call him a grumpy asshole or whatever, but he will not steer you wrong. The man is B/S free, no facade with him. In person he is not as bad as he says though.

[Blender345]

I understand that he gives great advice and is probably a great person and very helpful, but he was wrong in saying that something doesn't work when he has never tried it, that is the only problem anyone has had, and no one can deny that that was the wrong thing to do. How can you say something doesn't work without trying it? Doesn't look good, especially when it DOES work (according to most other people on here, including the one with the problem). I am not trying to be a dick and have nothing against bdyman, just saying if you don't know for a fact, you probably shouldn't say that stuff. If he doesn't want a mint job and save a couple bucks... why get on his ass about it? It's his car... as long as he's happy more power to him.

[bdyman]

i love you too andy, the method i have used is dry ice, thats it iam not sayin no more

[Kilroy]

Bdyman, how thick is your skull?? The propellant in a can of canned air is just as cold as dry ice. Common fuggin sense tells you that if dry ice works, which you openly admit does, then using the propellant from a can of canned air will work too. If you would rather enjoy stick COMPRESSED air up your ass, then go for it, whatever turns your crank. NO ONE on here was even talking about compressed air, we where all talking about CANNED air, which uses a propellant that when compressed is in a liquid form, but when decompressed is in a gaseous form. (basically like the properties of ANY gas!!!) Friggin grade school teaches you that!!. NOW, when you turn a can of canned air (which isn't really air at all) upside down, you release the LIQUID that suddenly decompresses, cause immense cold to happen. (This is the part where highschool physics comes in!)

If you can't get this through your thick skull, then forget it. Everyone else knows it will work, common sense and physics tells you it will work, too bad your vastly superior knowledge of bodywork can't tell you it will work.

Have a nice day!:dink:

[bdyman]

and again i see i have to have a phd or be a rocket sciencetist to fix cars no it nothing like dry ice, different ball game, but go ahead and try it and post pics up so i can get a good laugh

[Blender345]

I think all you need is to get by 5th grade, or be able to hold a can. Nowhere near needing a phd, just common sense :)

[bdyman]

like i said letssee your can of compressed air pull a dent and when you do post pics and lets see the results so i can laugh and show the guys at work

[Blender345]

isnt there a link posted?

[Nate's Alero]

i use the dry ice idea also and i see that it works and i agree and i will use that idea from now on

[Kilroy]

THE AIR WILL NOT DO IT, HOW FIKKIN DENSE ARE YOU??????????? You turn the can UPSIDE DOWN!!!!!! The propellant is about the same temperature as dry ice!!!! If dry ice will work, then something the same bloody temperature as dry icw will work too! What is it that you can't frickin figure out about this??????

[bdyman]

it wont work bottom line a chunk of dry ice on a dent will work and stretch the metal back a can of compreesed with propellant wont stretch the metal back
ARE YOU FREAKIN DENSE!!!!
oh shit i forgot i dont have my phd, so i guess i am

[Kilroy]

You are truly an idiot. Just because you haven't tried it, it can't be done. Have you ever climbed mount Everest? Does that mean it can't be done? Have you ever flown at faster than Mach 2? No, then i guess it can't be done. You have such a God complex, it isn't even funny. You have been shown proof it works, you have been told by people who have seen it works, but STILL, because YOU haven't done it, it apparently can't be done. You are utterly hopeless, and an idiot. You don't need a PHD to understand it can be done, you need a brain that can process images, and other people's words. Either you have no brain, or a non-functioning one. I don't know how else to prove to you it will work, so I give up. Teaching someone as stupid as you a simple concept is a lost cause.

Have a nice day.

[bdyman]

ok cool, post pics when your done

[Kilroy]

ok cool, post pics when your done

Why don't YOU try it? You are supposed to be the bodyman. You get the chance to apparently work on alot more dents than I do.

Or is it because you are scared to admit that it will work?????:nuts:

[bdyman]

ok cool post pics when done

[cherrington17]

bdy, heres a link to a video of it being done. i can't watch the vid here at work, we have blocks up preventing streaming video. (so i'm not sure of the outcome or quality)

http://lifehacker.com/software/macgyver/macgyver-tip-fix-a-dent-with-canned-air-and-a-hair-dryer-254575.php

[bdyman]

cool post pics when done

[Kilroy]

cool post pics when done

You just can't admit you are wrong, can you. You can't even reply properly and / or intelligently. You know you are wrong, so you get stuck on the same stupid comment. I haven't been this entertained since a kindergarten Xmas concert!!!:lol: :haha: :yahoo: :scpimp:

[Kilroy]

You know bdyboy, why is it everytime I read one of your replies, I am reminded of the ol' "1000 monkeys at 1000 typewriters for 1000hours......." and realize you are short a couple hundred monkeys, and a whole bunch of typewriters???

[Oldsnut]

Why the hell don't you just post a video of you fixing a dent and prove him wrong. I mean a video of you fixing your car with you in it, that will shut him up or make you blush. Enough with the back and forth.

[Kilroy]

A video HAS been posted, and he STILL doesn't beleive it. Also, I am not going to go and dent my car just to prove some idiot wrong. If he is who he says he is, some grand master and all knowing professional autobody person, then he will very likely get a vehicle in with a dent. He can then follow the PROPER procedure, and prove for himself. nuff said by me!!!

[bdyman]

do you honestly think iam goin to go buy a can of this magical compressed air, and release it on a panle, at work so my boss and everyone else can have a good laugh becasue some kid on a automotive forum is challenging me to see if this works
ok i`ll get right on that, andy is right if your sooooooooooooooooooo sure this will work do it to your car or someone elses car and prove me wrong, i will not watch that video because i know dry ice works and so does heat, but this magicall compressed air just wont cut it, you fuckin kids think you know it all, dont ya gonna try to prove the old guy wrong right??? i challenge you anytime to come to my level and work where i work do what i do fix what i fix, you can even stay with me, use my tools, if you can skin a door with no bondo, section a b-pillar, install a 1/4 in a day, then your on my level, while you were suckin on mommas titty, i was fixing cars, i restored my 85 riv by my self, in 6 months, you will not shoot me down iam sure your some fuckin desk jockey sitting behind a desk in a/c all day long, knowing nothing about cars ive seen your posts and you call me clueless??? dude ya need to wake up and look at your lack of knowledge,
so post pics when your done

[bdyman]

do you honestly think iam goin to go buy a can of this magical compressed air, and release it on a panle, at work so my boss and everyone else can have a good laugh becasue some kid on a automotive forum is challenging me to see if this works
ok i`ll get right on that, andy is right if your sooooooooooooooooooo sure this will work do it to your car or someone elses car and prove me wrong, i will not watch that video because i know dry ice works and so does heat, but this magicall compressed air just wont cut it, you fuckin kids think you know it all, dont ya gonna try to prove the old guy wrong right??? i challenge you anytime to come to my level and work where i work do what i do fix what i fix, you can even stay with me, use my tools, if you can skin a door with no bondo, section a b-pillar, install a 1/4 in a day, then your on my level, while you were suckin on mommas titty, i was fixing cars, i restored my 85 riv by my self, in 6 months, you will not shoot me down iam sure your some fuckin desk jockey sitting behind a desk in a/c all day long, knowing nothing about cars ive seen your posts and you call me clueless??? dude ya need to wake up and look at your lack of knowledge,
so post pics when your done

[bdyman]

you leave me no choice,
here fix it
do i need to post more pics to show iam who i say iam do i need to prove my self to the likes of you ???
again i want u to come to my shop and put a car in your face and tell ya fix it, then lets see who can be called a dumbass

[racin4JC]

Some of us will right after we get done calculating how big your ego is right now!

V= ∫∫∫R f(x,y,z)dV

;)

[Oldsnut]

I have just returned from outside in an attempt to repair 2 small dents, one in my Aurora and one in my Intrigue using the hair dyer and compressed air can. As I suspected, it did absolutely nothing for the dents. I even attempted it twice on the Aurora.

And Yes, I held the can upside down.

[bdyman]

lol!!! best thread ever!!!!! lol

[racin4JC]

No one said it was guaranteed to work, but for $5 you can buy the canned air/CO2 why not try it?

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

question about the dry ice...how much does it cost? I had a hail storm here a couple weeks ago and the hail was golf ball sized...now my car looks like a golf ball with all those little dents....shoulda went to ASS.....

[cherrington17]

No one said it was guaranteed to work, but for $5 you can buy the canned air/CO2 why not try it?


because in the history of heating and cooling metal... apparently it can't possibly EVER work....

[01silveralero]

well dry ice works but somehow something that is around the same temperature doesnt work i just dont get it.............and also its the same chemical................

[Cliff8928]

question about the dry ice...how much does it cost? I had a hail storm here a couple weeks ago and the hail was golf ball sized...now my car looks like a golf ball with all those little dents....shoulda went to ASS.....

It's not that expensive, you can buy it at Meijer if you have one around you.

[bdyman]

i guess this is where my phd in rocket science comes into play now, when we heat metal, and we see it turns black from the torch, that is called the ankeeling process iam sure spelled wrong but iam a dumba ss so i cant spell either
and as its hit with a metal shaping hammer, on a panle beater, using different shapes and sizes of hammers we can achieve any shape we want, then it goes into a english wheel, and it is countinued to be shaped,
when heat is applied to a already shaped piece of metal like a door/hood, roof/ what have you again we see black from the torch and the metal reacts differently due to its already shaped, and on small dents POP the dent comes right out, but doing this takes allot of metal experience to long and to much heat you will see the panel just buckle under the torch
is the dumb ass phd rocket scientist explaining all this for ya guys in a layment term kinda why??
when we use dry ice, it is placed on the metal, again the akneeling process but a cold process, cold shrinking its called as well, the dry ice is placed on the dent, and we can see the dent slowly moving , and POP dent is gone, but only and only on dents the sixe of a quater, not dents that have a huge crease
so is that cool, can i have my phd in science now

[cherrington17]

....only if you can follow up your h.s level chemistry lesson with a functional demonstration of string theory..... :rolleyes2: (for someone who is working toward a doctorate, everything you've posted above is highly offensive, considering you have NO idea how complex things get. this argument is WHOLLY based on anything a typical highschooler should know, and would be tested on)


so if dry ice works, a very small amount of liquid nitrogen should work. (besides probably destroying the metal due to it being TOO cold) and anything as cold as dry ice should work too... right? its not the fact that its dry ice, its the fact that its approximately -100F

(while i was looking up what the temp of an inverted can of air is i found this)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R134a

All the "canned air" i've seen, uses tetrafluoroethane. I've always known that. What i DIDN'T know, is that is the same refrigerant we have in our car's AC systems;R134a. I didn't know the two were one in the same.


Its not air by any simple means. It might work for a dust blower while upright, but when turned upside down thats pure R134a your spraying out. If that can possibly cool the metal to 100F, why wouldn't that do the same thing as dry ice? Thats all i'm wondering. Bdy, if you can prove that cooling to the same temp by different means yields different results on metal... you might get your phd. not to mention a nobel prize.

[bdyman]

this is fuckin awesome, best thread ever, i guess i need to go back to school, and tell the guy that taguht me that we need to go back to school, i guess iam too stupid to fix cars

[cherrington17]

you didn't answer the question.... that mean you didn't understand it, or your too afraid to answer it?

so i'll restate.

you admit, dry ice works. and even explained HOW it works. So if another substance, could cool the metal just as much, wouldn't it produce the same results? I'm not saying canned air.. i'm saying something that is as cold as dry ice... anything as cold...

this is effin awesome, best thread ever, i guess i need to go back to school, and tell the guy that taguht me that we need to go back to school, i guess iam too stupid to fix cars
I was told by a real old school(and very well respected) doc that xrays must be used for standard testing, and MRIs wouldn't work in replacement. That was only because he didn't know MRIs are a better, safer (albeit most costly) alternative. Just because you don't know something doesn't mean it can't happen....

[bdyman]

nope iam too dumb to understand remember, dont i need a high school diploma???, or some sort of rocket scienctist phd crap
yes it has to be as cold as dry ice for the metal to stretch back, just like with heat metal has to be hot to re shape
so i dunno maybe it will maybe it wont iam too dumb to understand not smart enough to understand high school science, so i guess i have to quit my job and work at burger king
ding fries are done ding fries are done

[cherrington17]

so its only logical, that if someone who is as highly skilled as yourself in body work, uses dry ice, then it must work, and be somewhat reliable for you to even consider it worth your time... then its quite possible that something thats just as cold could work too.


but after some research, canned air with tetrafluoroethane won't work... its not cold enough. You'd need to find canned air thats liquid CO2 based, if your going to try it... (its approximately -109F)

[bdyman]

sorry dude your going beyond my grade school education
but post pics when your done

[cherrington17]

whatever. your closemindedness is beyond frustrating...