today was dyno day

[jackal2000]

a local shop was charging $40 for 3 pulls with a/f so i went ahead and did it. the car needs more fuel, but im not sure how much more i can squeeze out of the stock injectors.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3232/7jundynotq3.jpg

[jackal2000]

i'll have the video link by tomorrow.

[Bad99Olds]

way to leave me out of the story, im gonna go cry now. told you to man up and upgrade the injectors. lol. ill have that video posted eventually.

[jackal2000]

oh yea. bad99olds tagged along with me. i was smoking him on the interstate on the way home and then he did a ricer fly by and weaved through traffic almost killing an old lady.

[Bad99Olds]

utterly untrue. my speed never exceeded 80 miles per hour on a highway, and there was no old lady or near killing. ur so dramatic. 185.

[Vinalero]

Im always mixed up, does a dyno shows wheel or crank power?

[Bad99Olds]

dyno is wheel. john should be dynoing higher but hes got some gremlins to work out.

[mfuller]

Considering your mods, it seems about 20WHP low....but the graph is nice and smooth. I'm sure you know that you haven't enough fuel, so that'll go a long way to getting that extra power you're missing. Still, roughly 230HP/230lb-ft at the crank is nothing to sneeze at.

[[ion] C2]

yeah it looks low, and your air-fuel ratio is WAY too lean, that's like scary lean, if they measured it correctly.

how did they measure the A/F ratio? the stupid clip on thing at the end of the exhaust which is totally inaccurate?

[Bad99Olds]

yep. thats exactly it. the v12 twin turbo merc actually caught the rag on fire that held the sensor in. pretty sweet.

[[ion] C2]

that is pretty sweet, and i can see why it would read lean. the kitty cat tends to get rid of the fuel before the end of the exhaust

[Bad99Olds]

yea, but hes having legit problems. he scanned it and it kicked a kr, and a low system voltage, and i think he said his spark tables are off. theres more hp in there yet. just a matter of tuning.

[cherrington17]

ok... i was gonna say... all that money and work and hes only running 185?? but hes still having issues. gotcha.

jon, when are you gonna have a proper running car, dude!?

[[ion] C2]

stock: 180bhp
jackal: 185whp ~~ 218bhp

but if the A/F ratio was anywhere near accurate those HP numbers will increase drastically with bigger injectors and a tune

[cherrington17]

so jon, you said you have the stage 2 milzy kit? anything else that you upgraded in the engine? (besides not having your injectors not keeping up)

[Bad99Olds]

hes at a barbeque right now, lol, but hes got a ported 62mm throttle body, cai, tog headers, high fow cat, magnaflow muffler, and i beleive thats about it. but yea , one he fixes the holes in the tune and gets those bigger injectors in, 12 more pounds per hour, he should be good.

[jackal2000]

alright, here's the mods:

-custom CAI
-62mm TCE TB
-upper intake is port matched to the TB
-lower intake is ported
-MMS stage 2 heads
-MMS chromoly pushrods (quite possibly the wrong length as there was much debate over this on gagt.com after i already had them installed)
-MMS stage 2 cam
-hypereutectic pistons
-block is bored .005" over
-FFP under drive crank pulley
-TOG headers, ceramic coated
-carsound high flow cat
-2.5" cat back exhaust pipe
-magnaflow straight through muffler
-DHP PowrTuner

a gagt with basically the same setup made 203whp and similar tq. granted, today it was 97* with around 90% humidty so that had an effect on power output. i have to do some math to see how much fuel i can add without going static.

[Bad99Olds]

nah, no math. just guess and check. lol.

[BlackJack]

Im always mixed up, does a dyno shows wheel or crank power?

depends on the dyno. A chassis dyno measures whp. An engine dyno measures chp. There's even a transmission dyno for testing transmissions.

[jackal2000]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7YPaqT9BvI

[zoL]

I always think that the car is going to go flying off that thing.

[Vinalero]

depends on the dyno. A chassis dyno measures whp. An engine dyno measures chp. There's even a transmission dyno for testing transmissions.


Thank you for the enlightening.

IMO, 186 hp at the wheels for an engine that is rated around 180 hp at the crank is pretty sweet for an NA. My guess is that he has around 230 hp at the crank considering theres like a 20% loss of power in the drivetrain + accessories.

[[ion] C2]

-hypereutectic pistons

You tore into the engine and used hypereutectic pistons?! They are minutely better than stock. Why not forged? And why no forged rods?

[AJules]

Nice video

I want that E63 AMG though
I love AMGs

[jackal2000]

C2;363238']You tore into the engine and used hypereutectic pistons?! They are minutely better than stock. Why not forged? And why no forged rods?

not needed.

[alerojack]

nice video!

[-Alero-]

was that a N/A KA24 that made more power than you?

[mfuller]

was that a N/A KA24 that made more power than you?
I coulda sworn I saw a "-t" on that one, indicating a turbocharger. KA24's were meant for light-duty trucks and aren't the most popular for boost.....

[jackal2000]

was that a N/A KA24 that made more power than you?

no that was a ka24ae-t. not sure how big the turbo was or what psi since he dynoed as we were leaving. im pretty sure i made the most all motor whp and tq (domestic :p ). the owner of that car was the video man.

[Bad99Olds]

wasnt one of the benzos n/a?

[-Alero-]

oh i dont have sound here at work. and usually everyone hates ka24's and just swaps to SR20det

[jackal2000]

wasnt one of the benzos n/a?

actually you're right. pretty sure the e63 was all motor.

[Bad99Olds]

fastest domestic, fastest na domestic, fastest na under 70k sticker? shit you cleaned up

[jackal2000]

it's called bringing home the bacon :)

[-Alero-]

well at least you have all those mods and that bone stock civic si is right behind you? good ole K20 only 9 hp right behind you....... thats 4 cylinders for you....

[Bad99Olds]

im not sure bone stock si is really a good descriptive term, since si is a sport tuned model packing 210 crank on a lighter platform. dynoing 187 wheel on a 3400 na, with the tuning issues present, is impressive. and you really shouldnt douche up this thread with your bullshit. this is the second thread youve tried to derail with ur 6vs4 bullshit.


haha yea the good old turbo 4cylinder putting down less than a na 6? im not sure what that comment was supposed to prove, but it missed the mark

[Cliff8928]

C2;363132']stock: 180bhp
jackal: 185whp ~~ 218bhp

but if the A/F ratio was anywhere near accurate those HP numbers will increase drastically with bigger injectors and a tune

A stock 3400 is probably about 150 WHP on a good day with an automatic.

[billytheman1188]

well at least you have all those mods and that bone stock civic si is right behind you? good ole K20 only 9 hp right behind you....... thats 4 cylinders for you....

go buy a damn 4 banger and PLEASE shut your mouth:rolleyes2: Thanks bud.

Nice video by the way:coolio:

[Bad99Olds]

i know right? lol

[Cliff8928]

Can't we all just get along LOL!


I like *both* my 3400 and Ecotec.

[-Alero-]

whats with you guys ragging on me for disliking my problematic v6..... telling me im doucheing up a thread with my bullshit, when all i stated was that the K20 was making 9 less whp then a fairly well modified la1, and there is nothing sport tuned about the SI, when it just has a K20a3 that makes i believe 197 crank.........but oh look thats more than the 3.4 bone stock and its got 2 less cylinders and guess what its a honda, i dont understand why i am attacked time an time again when i simple point out that a four cylinder here and a four cylinder there is in fact superior to this ledgendary 3.4 liter beast, im not on this whole mental line anymore of trying to make run "fast", this motor is discontinued for a reason.......and the aftermarket is shrinking, facts are facts i dont know what you want me to say "i love LA1 and will devote my life to GM's best motor in the world"

jesus christ its like come on, you act like my life should exist revolving around 4 bangers......jesus, telling me im the one who is the bad guy when all i really do is compare a GM motor to a GM motor.....hell motors that came as a option in the cars we fucking modify! the same mother fucking cars we get pointed at and laughed at, im no different than a single person on this forum, i want to be just as god damn different as the next guy on here, i want to spend the best amount of money for the best outcome, then i gotta deal with you dick heads attacking me and coming at me like im the damn enemy, when i never even threatened or jumped at anybody to begin with, and the next thing i know i got the newbies jumping on my back making it look like im a big bad wolf

by the way jackal no offense at all, you should be putting up much higher numbers headers alone with the right exhaust setup should be 27 whp right there, and you have head work and ported plenums, that should really be 10 right there, have you got a adjustable regulator?

[Bad99Olds]

no one ever said that the la1 was by any stretch a perfect mottor, but ur using a turbod 4 dynoing 9 whp less than a built 3400 as a means to justify the v6 being lesser than the 4 cylinder? im afraid i dont follow. and on top of that you start that whole arguement in the thread where someones posting their numbers. just not necissary.

[-Alero-]

no one ever said that the la1 was by any stretch a perfect mottor, but ur using a turbod 4 dynoing 9 whp less than a built 3400 as a means to justify the v6 being lesser than the 4 cylinder? im afraid i dont follow. and on top of that you start that whole arguement in the thread where someones posting their numbers. just not necissary.

bullshti man, is that civic SI turbo? you said the KA24 in the 240 was turbo, not the K20 civic.

sure no motor is perfect, and do you seriously in all honesty think i "started an arguement!?" bullshit man i fucking roll my eyes when i see this shit.......

A stock 3400 is probably about 150 WHP on a good day with an automatic.

saw a lowly 143 whp by i think kyle

[Bad99Olds]

mk i misread the k20 for the k24. thats my error. and ill admit i may have misunderstood your comment, but it came off as just a provative comment that wasnt entirely necissary. and the civic si was designed to be sportier, the la1 was not designed with the same intent.

[-Alero-]

mk i misread the k20 for the k24. thats my error. and ill admit i may have misunderstood your comment, but it came off as just a provative comment that wasnt entirely necissary. and the civic si was designed to be sportier, the la1 was not designed with the same intent.

right right, and actually the entire alero was never meant to be sporty or even fast, yes thats what makes it different indeed.

but the only point i have been trying to make that everyone jumps on my ass for is, out of the 3 alero optioned motors, the ecotec is in my opinion (obviously not others) is the best route to go for bang for your buck speed..........sure whether its the l61,ld9,la1, or even a ls1, its still an alero, a fast alero, and thats all i have been trying to say, for the past like 5 days comparing 10k in a 2.2 or 10k in a 3.4 the 2.2 will have the best result, no matter if its alero or not, follow your own route on which motor you mod, 90% of the damn people out there just look at acar, see if its fast, if it happens to be faster than thiers they look at the motor and if they dont know about it they dont care about it, now i do have the 3.4 and no im not going to get rid of it for a 2.2, unless i want to go fast, i just regret all the money i put in my 3.4 and wish i had put that money in a 2.2,now for some reason i have grown out of the "i want to go fast in my alero" state, thats probably why i sound like a ass, my fault, thats it thats all

[Bad99Olds]

reading it like that i utterly agree with you, the ecotec is probably the most easily modded powerplant, and best bang for your buck becuase of the aftermarket. personally i think i misunderstood your intentions, so sorry for calling you a douche. lol.

[-Alero-]

reading it like that i utterly agree with you, the ecotec is probably the most easily modded powerplant, and best bang for your buck becuase of the aftermarket. personally i think i misunderstood your intentions, so sorry for calling you a douche. lol.


its ok, and i got mad respect for someone who can appologize, even im wrong alot of times even, its just im on your guys's side, im not the enemy no other alero owner on this site should be anyones enemy.

[Bad99Olds]

haha refference cliffs earlier post, it appears we all CAN be friends. lol

[-Alero-]

haha refference cliffs earlier post, it appears we all CAN be friends. lol


yeah Cliff is pretty much everyones friend............due to the whole..... XLR......:p

[Rexter9x]

Meh, if I could go back, I would have gotten the 2.2... considering gas prices alone. Plus in the end, mine has already head the front head gasket replaces at 73000km (not miles). At least that was under warranty, but common, a head gasket that early on?

[Redog]

I'd love to get Alero dynoed.

Probably won't happen until after ASS, but I might be able to get a hook up ;)

I'll probably set it up for race. (CAI) but should I change the front wheels like I do to? It did run the 14.539 with the aftermarket wheels

[jackal2000]

whp is measured from a roll so it really doesnt matter.

[Cliff8928]

yeah Cliff is pretty much everyones friend............due to the whole..... XLR......:p

Bleh, It's just a cool looking underpowered 'vette.

Does that mean I won't be anyone's friend in October when it goes back?

[BlackJack]

i just regret all the money i put in my 3.4 and wish i had put that money in a 2.2,now for some reason i have grown out of the "i want to go fast in my alero" state, thats probably why i sound like a ass, my fault, thats it thats all

Guess it's all in how you spend the 10k. I would have done some things differently if I knew then what I know now. I have about 8k in mine so far including the trans-swap, but I think for another 2k I can hit 11's in full street trim +slicks. My main mistake was underestimating fueling, and for a setup like mine, that's pretty much instant death.

11's in a street legal Alero is far more impressive sounding to me than 10's in a car as light as a civic, and I think the old cliche of "fast is fast, no matter how you do it" is a cop-out among racers. I'd be more impressed by a HP/weight ratio factor than just plain times.

But no doubt about it, the ecotec is pretty impressive when built, and it sure beats my 15mpg :D