supercharger?

[carcrazy14]

i can't find anything to make my alero faster. i love the sound she makes already but everything is stock, except for my speakers. is there ANYTHING out there? like superchargers.. anything? i've browsed soooo much

[alerored04]

You must not have browsed enough. http://wot-tech.com/shop/

[-Alero-]

never heard of one.........

[[ion] C2]

The only superchargers that are/were made are the Eaton MP62 short run kits for the 3400 that one or two on here possess, and the RSM centrifugal supercharger setup.

The best choice is a custom turbocharger setup for the 3400.

[carcrazy14]

i see. well, that blows.

[CiscoPath]

C2;359880']The only superchargers that are/were made are the Eaton MP62 short run kits for the 3400 that one or two on here possess, and the RSM centrifugal supercharger setup.

I'm a little confused. PFYC carries the RSM supercharger, but Z-Spec (formerly RSM Racing) carries a Vortech supercharger. Is the PFYC charger also Vortech? Are both of those inferior to a custom charger?

[-Alero-]

LA1 not that great of a motor anyways, if i could take anything back i would of gone with the 2.2 ecotec with the 5 speed manual.......for the biggest aftermarket, fuel mileage, reliability and ease to work on

[[ion] C2]

I'm a little confused. PFYC carries the RSM supercharger, but Z-Spec (formerly RSM Racing) carries a Vortech supercharger. Is the PFYC charger also Vortech? Are both of those inferior to a custom charger?

PFYC is just a retailer. RSM/Z-Spec is the manufacturer of the KIT. The actual supercharger is made by Vortec. RSM/Z-Spec just pieces together the kit. Just like GM pieces together the Ecotec kit, but Eaton makes the supercharger.

Both systems are the same one. That supercharger is known for problems but some have run it without any and made some good power out of it. Personally I'd take $4,400 and build up a custom turbocharger setup and have $1,500 or so to spare on engine internals and such.

[carcrazy14]

do you have any simple suggestions for little hp boosts? i'm planning to drop good stuff in later but right now i'm running a little low on money lol :D

[jabartram]

a good clean exhaust system would be your best start. check here http://www.milzymotorsports.com/ or do a custom setup like alot of us did.

[CiscoPath]

^^I was looking into exhaust flex couplers. I know bending them in flow-restricting angles would give piss poor result, but do you guys think maybe a couple of flexs and straight pipe would yield an effective "custom" setup, or run like crap

[surreal_awakening]

I don't know about the performance aspect, but it just seems like a lot of hassle if you ask me. Just have a shop mandrel bend some pipe for you.

[carcrazy14]

a good clean exhaust system would be your best start. check here http://www.milzymotorsports.com/ or do a custom setup like alot of us did.

so everything they have there for the 3400 will fit on my car? because from what i heard the grand am 3.4 has the same engine as my car, which is the 2000 alero with a 3.4. like there's a lot of shit on that site and i want to know if it'll actually fit on my car

[Redog]

LA1 not that great of a motor anyways

What?!?! You can't be serious.

2 LA1 s/c Aleros on this board running low 13's (mid 12's if they ran at sea level) and one turbo'ed which will be running low 12's

Over on GAGT, on motor, they are running high 13's on stock internals.

Care to retact your comment? :ninja:

[-Alero-]

What?!?! You can't be serious.

2 LA1 s/c Aleros on this board running low 13's (mid 12's if they ran at sea level) and one turbo'ed which will be running low 12's

Over on GAGT, on motor, they are running high 13's on stock internals.

Care to retact your comment? :ninja:

the LA1 is a horrible pushrod motor, i have seen 1.8L run 12's N/A, nissan has thier VQ35 which is just .1 more liter output makes allmost double the amount of power output as this lousy excuse of a motor puts out... pushrod just doesnt cut it when it comes to the ease of power a DOHC can make. there are so many 4 cyclinders bone stock that leave the factory that will out perform the LA1 any day, believe it or not nissans 2.5L 4 cylinder altima makes a faster 1/4 time than most new GM v6's such as the G6's, Aura, malibu, definetly any N-body......so sad how all the japenese car companies do is make a DOHC 3.5L v6 and Bam they got about 300hp bone stock, and this 3.4 wont even lay 150 to the ground....pathetic


now then compare the 3 "fast" LA1's to how many 1000+hp ecotec's out there....

now comepare the amount of money spent on the LA1, now compare that price to ecotec part prices.... and look at the equivelant of what parts were bought for how much then look at those parts for the ecotec and how much they cost

care to retact your comment?

[[ion] C2]

It's retract guys, retract. :p

There's far more aftermarket for the four cylinders and far more people putting out 300-400 HP with it.

[-Alero-]

C2;360034']It's retract guys, retract. :p

There's far more aftermarket for the four cylinders and far more people putting out 300-400 HP with it.

exactly DOHC > pushrod.......... Ken how many times have you gone to the track and seen a little CRX with its B16 or B18 or hell even the K20, with its little Pizza hut hat on,literally stomp all over LS1's and V8's all day......

[[ion] C2]

A portion of the j-body 4 cylinder quarter mile list:

Fastest
8.70 @ 160
8.77 @ 149.58

2.2L Ecotec Power Adders
1. Adam Hahn, 11.145 @ 125.32
2. SunCavi, 11.946 @ 114.73
3. hypsy, 12.536 @ 104.43
4. John Horwath, 12.55 @ 116.00
5. Acer, 12.968 @ 110.28
6. DJ Ruiz (DJClueless), 12.979 @ 111.75
7. Aaron52788, 13.01 @ 111.07
8. Troy Mohrland, 13.3871@106.11
9. Exterminator, 13.551 @ 105.57
10. boostedeco, 13.677 @ 100.46


2.3/2.4 L Twin Cam N/A
1. Karo, 13.125 @ 101.01
2. Brandon Blaga, 13.934 @ 97.82
3. SpeedRacerZ, 14.648 @ 96.01
4. Gary A. (gmanz24), 14.741 @ 92.09
5. John Higgins, 14.83 @ 91.25
6. Andrew Neufang, 14.896 @ 91.689
7. Owen Stampflee, 14.996 @ 90.44
8. quicksilverz, 15.012 @ 90.78
9. duganz24, 15.018 @ 95.80
10. Qwik2k2z24, 15.096 @ 93.108


2.3/2.4 L Twin Cam Power Adders
1. Brandon Fetter, 11.944 @ 122.21
2. Karo, 12.051@111.767
3. Jeff Filkins, 12.5 @ 117.57
4. Brian W. (SpeedRacerZ), 12.613 @ 117.86
5. Darren Herde, 12.967 @ 107.04
6. Skilz10179, 13.151 @ 110.78
7. Team GREEN, 13.221 @ 108.94
8. Jbeier (Nitro), 13.303 @ 103.57
9. Taetsch Z24, 13.79 @ 102.45
10. Kris Bloom, 13.898 @ 99.73

[-Alero-]

^^^every single god damn day i regret ever getting the LA1 and wish every day i had the ecotec

[billytheman1188]

I like my LA1 because it sounds BADASS with just an exhaust and intake.....i cant wait to get my headers put on... i cant imagine how nice it will sound after that:rolleyes2:

[-Alero-]

god yo ustill dont have those on.....sheesh

[blueolds01]

i have to agree with billy, i like the way it sounds. a 4cyl will never sound like my v6. thats one of the only reasons i got the car...it had a v6.

[-Alero-]

turbo 4 > n/a v6

[protocol7]

turbo 4 > n/a v6

:rolleyes2: uber generalization. There are many examples of N/A V6s that are superior to turbo 4 cyls.

[GoldStar611]

pushrod just doesnt cut it when it comes to the ease of power a DOHC can make. there are so many 4 cyclinders bone stock that leave the factory that will out perform the LA1 any day,

That must be why the saleen s7 has a dohc engine...Sorry just had to kid there

You're quite true though, my brothers 4 cyl honda civic produces 30 less horsepower than my alero and I'm pretty mad about that because he can drive like crap and still save more gas than me.

[[ion] C2]

:rolleyes2: uber generalization. There are many examples of N/A V6s that are superior to turbo 4 cyls.
not in this car

i haven't seen an N/A V6 run the 8s that a turbo four can yet.

[blueolds01]

C2;360080']not in this car

i haven't seen an N/A V6 run the 8s that a turbo four can yet.

yet is the key word...hahaha!!!

honestly its everyones opinion. we could for pages on this topic.

[xXManwhoreXx]

LA1 not that great of a motor anyways, if i could take anything back i would of gone with the 2.2 ecotec with the 5 speed manual.......for the biggest aftermarket, fuel mileage, reliability and ease to work on

Yep..... :( Don't we all wish this.

I just hate OHV engines, its not the 3400 engine itself I hate, I just wish it was a OHC (dual preferrerd)

[xXManwhoreXx]

I run low 7's stock.. idk about you guys... lol

[cherrington17]

so everything they have there for the 3400 will fit on my car? because from what i heard the grand am 3.4 has the same engine as my car, which is the 2000 alero with a 3.4. like there's a lot of shit on that site and i want to know if it'll actually fit on my car

to get back on topic... if you selected, engine performance, then then 3400 engine section, then yes, all of that fits the 3.4L engine that you (we) have.


and mahan, your running 7s in the 1/8th mile run... which is like measuring wang in millimeters. Just cuz its a much larger number, it doesn't mean its actually bigger.

[[ion] C2]

lol if you ran 7s stock you'd be like < 11-12 second 1/4 mile

[Alerosaint]

to get back on topic... if you selected, engine performance, then then 3400 engine section, then yes, all of that fits the 3.4L engine that you (we) have.


and mahan, your running 7s in the 1/8th mile run... which is like measuring wang in millimeters. Just cuz its a much larger number, it doesn't mean its actually bigger.

i like that phrase...lol..gotta use that sometime

[kwhauck]

ecotec is a very nice motor, but i'm happy with my 3400........

[-Alero-]

ecotec is a very nice motor, but i'm happy with my 3400........


the truth is, and i think you know it.........you could be faster wit hthe ecotec.....especially with the money you have spent

[JOEY GLADSTONE]

yes....then he would just be another one in the crowd with a S/Ced ecotec, the reason i invested so much money into my car is because it is very unique and you never see them at the track or at shows

[CiscoPath]

^^Truer words never spoken. The 3400 is definitely a "labor of love" project. 2.4s, Ecotec, etc. are all cookie-cutter setups. Trust me, put two boosted Aleros side by side, one a 4 and the other a 6, and pop the hoods. They'll look at the 4 and it clicks to them "Aw crap, that's the same engine in all the Cavaliers and Sunfires". But then they look at 6 and think "Crap. I thought these econo-car engines sucked". Who's the guy gonna be asking about how it performs, the 3400 or the cookie cutter?

[-Alero-]

^^Truer words never spoken. The 3400 is definitely a "labor of love" project. 2.4s, Ecotec, etc. are all cookie-cutter setups. Trust me, put two boosted Aleros side by side, one a 4 and the other a 6, and pop the hoods. They'll look at the 4 and it clicks to them "Aw crap, that's the same engine in all the Cavaliers and Sunfires". But then they look at 6 and think "Crap. I thought these econo-car engines sucked". Who's the guy gonna be asking about how it performs, the 3400 or the cookie cutter?

to me and i msure most people, it doesnt matter what you have what you drive or what powers it, if its fast, its fast, and if you wanna laugh at the cookie cutter laugh away but know the cookie cutter will always be faster

[Bad99Olds]

which is why when we refer to the fastest aleros with slips thread the fastest na and the fastest boosted are both 3400s?

[2fast2furious01]

maaan, what's up with all this hating on us poor la1"s guys ? We've never hurt nobody ... Except at the track lol.

[2fast2furious01]

But in all truthfulness, it is less expensive i think there are more parts available for the 4 cyl. guys to put down some decent power. i don't know, maybe it's just me man but i love my la1, and i haven't unleashed the moster yet.

[CiscoPath]

to me and i msure most people, it doesnt matter what you have what you drive or what powers it, if its fast, its fast, and if you wanna laugh at the cookie cutter laugh away but know the cookie cutter will always be faster

That's a very off statement. The 6 bone stock is the fastest of all the Als. The only reason an argument can even be made for the 4 is the stick to our slush box. If we had stix, you'd still be slower. If you boosted and tuned a 6 with the same setup as a 4, the 6 would still be faster. Like it's been said, it's easy as hell to buy a cookie cutter kit and have the exact same setup as cars half a decade before yours.

And as I said, the 6 is a labor of love which means you literally put in real work to fine tune it. And since the 6 rarely shows up in shops (who generally charge ya out the butt), most of the work is done yourself. Not just take it to a shop, have them install it, and re-flash your PCM with the boost settings as the first five 4s they worked on earlier that week. And I'm thankful for the different shops that lay out equip for us. With the 6 being so downplayed over the years, they really don't have to waste time on us. But they see the potential in our motors. So big ups to the supporters of the N-body 6 because technically, there is no love for the N 4s. Just leftovers from the J-body era.

And to me, i think the whole "it's less expensive to boost a 4" theory is a huge misconception. The good thing about cookie-cutter kits is that all the kinks and miscalculations have already been worked for you. I'm pretty sure the instructions that come with the kit tell you what "safe" level of boost to run stock, and what parts to upgrade for more. 6s have been playing Russian roulette for years trying to perfect an exact formula, so to protect their investment, they re-inforce every piece of equipment they can. Not the add-ons, but the internals. So once it's all said and done, a boosted 6 more likely runs better and more efficiently than any 4, and if a 4 tries to keep up with that 6, BOOM. General concensus, more expensive. My opinion, more reliable, more efficient.

And I hate to bust your bubble but it's never JUST been about being fast. It DOES matter what you drive and what drives it. For a long time, drag racing was synonymous with V8s, and it had its fan base. But it wasn't until the first tweaked Honda went down the 1/4 pulling 9s that the sport got blown wide open. Of course, that buzz has worn off a bit, but one principle will always hold true and stand the test of time: Not what is fast, but what you MAKE fast. And we can't base that off the car itself since we all have the same cars. The principle has to be applied to the motors.

Wanna see the "principle" in action? Well, the proof is in the pudding (the pudding being this site...........and I plan on making sweet sweet love to this pudding - The State). Example: Take your car to a high school parking lot and watch the jocks and jailbait drool all over it. Take it to a local mechanic with 3 Sunfires sitting out front and watch him laugh in your face. The school kids probably have no idea what they're looking at but have "heard" about turbos and that pssssshhhh sound. Where as the shop is seeing nothing new. That's the mentality I get from this site. Sure, the kids i.e. noobs will ride your jock about where you got it and how much it cost so they know "how much to save up for" or "what to tell their parents they want for their birthday". The mechanics i.e anyone whose ever really worked on an engine inside-out (not just talking about 6 owners) will congratulate ya on a mod hardly done on an Alero, but in actuality, don't really care. It's been done (to that engine) to death.

If you type "turbo", "boost", or "supercharger" in the SEARCH function, you won't find a whole lot of impactful, substantial threads on the 4. Now.............search for all threads from BlackJack pertaining to his turbo. His threads get more replies and more views than any boost thread on this site. Even funnier, his thread about blowing the cylinder received 121 posts. Some on point, some way off topic, but his engine problems still drew more audience than any boosted 4 thread or any thread about someone's car dying due to performance issues. I think part of that kinda goes back to what i mentioned earlier. Reasoning-wise, if a 6 blows, it's gonna raise eyebrows to what happened. But blow up 4? It's gonna be "Idiot, how the F do you blow up your engine with a pre-tested kit?" And why?? Because people care about the 6. People want to know what he's gonna do to fix it and if it's worth running again. People want to know about the N/A work Jackal and Redog have put into their 6s because building up the 6 is a unique project and there are only a handful of sites you can go to for real info. Anyone with 4 issues, i'd probably direct them to j-body.org simply because they've done it longer and can probably help better than an N-body site IMO.

The worst part is that you own a 6 and dog it the way you do. But hey, you're entitled to your own opinion. For any 4s believing they are above all on the food chain, go ahead and feel real secure knowing boosted 6s are an endangered species and that Grandpa J has done all the hard work for you.

[adam337]

well. since you have upgraded speakers i recently heard that they have cd's out with engine sounds so you could just pop one of those bad boys in :p

[billytheman1188]

which is why when we refer to the fastest aleros with slips thread the fastest na and the fastest boosted are both 3400s?

:rolleyes2: i think that proves the point that the 3400 will be faster with the same mods as a 4 cylinder.:coolio:

[AJules]

:rolleyes2: i think that proves the point that the 3400 will be faster with the same mods as a 4 cylinder.:coolio:

Consider the prices for the mods for a 3400 vs a 2.4 also

You just bought headers for your 3400 for what? 900 dollars? And now you're trying to have them installed for 750? That's 1650 for some headers.

If you had the 2.4 you would be able to buy and install a header for under 300. And you'd have over 1300 left over to buy other mods.

Spend that 1300 and who's got the faster car now?

Anyway, my point is; A lot of people with the 3400 wish they got one of the 4bangers because they're so much cheaper and easier to mod, and theres so much more stuff out there for them (yeah, a lot of it is because of the J-body crowd). Also a huge factor is the manual transmission that comes with the 4s but not the 3400.

[AJules]

And to me, i think the whole "it's less expensive to boost a 4" theory is a huge misconception. The good thing about cookie-cutter kits is that all the kinks and miscalculations have already been worked for you. I'm pretty sure the instructions that come with the kit tell you what "safe" level of boost to run stock, and what parts to upgrade for more. 6s have been playing Russian roulette for years trying to perfect an exact formula, so to protect their investment, they re-inforce every piece of equipment they can. Not the add-ons, but the internals. So once it's all said and done, a boosted 6 more likely runs better and more efficiently than any 4, and if a 4 tries to keep up with that 6, BOOM. General concensus, more expensive. My opinion, more reliable, more efficient.

I have a strange feeling if you told that to SpyHunter, he might disagree...

[billytheman1188]

Consider the prices for the mods for a 3400 vs a 2.4 also

You just bought headers for your 3400 for what? 900 dollars? And now you're trying to have them installed for 750? That's 1650 for some headers.

If you had the 2.4 you would be able to buy and install a header for under 300. And you'd have over 1300 left over to buy other mods.

Spend that 1300 and who's got the faster car now?

Anyway, my point is; A lot of people with the 3400 wish they got one of the 4bangers because they're so much cheaper and easier to mod, and theres so much more stuff out there for them (yeah, a lot of it is because of the J-body crowd). Also a huge factor is the manual transmission that comes with the 4s but not the 3400.

manual transmission.....sorry but i dont want a standard. and ive said this before, i will say it again. My 6 cylinder sound 100 times better than any 4 cylinder. The deep sound it makes is amazing:rolleyes2: I never liked having 4 cylinder cars cause they never have ANY power. So yea, i spend more on mods for my car, but i really dont care:coolio:

[AJules]

manual transmission.....sorry but i dont want a standard. and ive said this before, i will say it again. My 6 cylinder sound 100 times better than any 4 cylinder. The deep sound it makes is amazing:rolleyes2:

A car with a Manual Transmission will make more power than one with the same engine and an Automatic.

Sounds like to me you don't really want your car to be faster, you just want it to sound faster. If that's the case you should probably have a V8.

I never liked having 4 cylinder cars cause they never have ANY power.

not true at all

Audi TT
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
Subaru WRX STI
Chevrolet Cobalt SS
Dodge Neon SRT4

^Cars with 4bangers with more power than a stock v6 Alero, and the list goes on

So yea, i spend more on mods for my car, but i really dont care:coolio:

if it's what you like, go ahead.

[billytheman1188]

A car with a Manual Transmission will make more power than one with the same engine and an Automatic.

Sounds like to me you don't really want your car to be faster, you just want it to sound faster. If that's the case you should probably have a V8.



not true at all

Audi TT
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
Subaru WRX STI
Chevrolet Cobalt SS
Dodge Neon SRT4

^Cars with 4bangers with more power than a stock v6 Alero, and the list goes on



if it's what you like, go ahead.

I just prefer automatics over manuals. and why are you bringing up cars that are 25-30k? yea go ahead and spend all that money on a neon or cobalt. LOL. Im not saying the 6 cylinder is faster than every car out there, im just saying it sounds A LOT better than ANY 4 banger..... now are you going to argue with me on that one? i didnt think so:rolleyes2:

[AJules]

I just prefer automatics over manuals. and why are you bringing up cars that are 25-30k? yea go ahead and spend all that money on a neon or cobalt. LOL. Im not saying the 6 cylinder is faster than every car out there, im just saying it sounds A LOT better than ANY 4 banger..... now are you going to argue with me on that one? i didnt think so:rolleyes2:

you said 4 cylinder cars never have any power, that's just not true.

You also have cars like the Nissan Altima, under 20 grand new, 4 banger with 175 horsepower, about the same as ur alero stock.

and anyway, we can start an argument about what sounds better but it won't go anywhere because I've never heard your car before. What sounds better is a personal preference anyway. I've heard 4 cylinder cars that sound better than some 6 or 8 cylinder cars. You might not think so but who cares. What sounds good is an opinion, everyone has different opinions.

[FrankTheTank]

I just prefer automatics over manuals. and why are you bringing up cars that are 25-30k? yea go ahead and spend all that money on a neon or cobalt. LOL. Im not saying the 6 cylinder is faster than every car out there, im just saying it sounds A LOT better than ANY 4 banger..... now are you going to argue with me on that one? i didnt think so:rolleyes2:
have you actually heard the exhaust on a wrx or srt4? :rolleyes2: they actually sound quite nice, probably better than your alero does and ever will...

[01silveralero]

Consider the prices for the mods for a 3400 vs a 2.4 also

You just bought headers for your 3400 for what? 900 dollars? And now you're trying to have them installed for 750? That's 1650 for some headers.



750 :emotlol: are they using "golden or platinum" exhaust manifold bolts? like seriously its NOT the hardest thing to change headers. sure depending on the car the stud or bolt may snap in the block but it shouldn't be costing up to 10 hours worth of labor.

[billytheman1188]

have you actually heard the exhaust on a wrx or srt4? :rolleyes2: they actually sound quite nice, probably better than your alero does and ever will...

ive heard the exhaust on an EVO, i forget what kind of aftermarket one he had.... it sounded badass, but didnt have the deep sound...... PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT THE DAMN SRT4.....ITS A NEON. dont compare my car to a fucking neon......

[CiscoPath]

Anyway, my point is; A lot of people with the 3400 wish they got one of the 4bangers because they're so much cheaper and easier to mod, and theres so much more stuff out there for them (yeah, a lot of it is because of the J-body crowd). Also a huge factor is the manual transmission that comes with the 4s but not the 3400.

OK, i think I see where all this debate is coming from. And i think I can resolve it. We are talking about two completely kind of people here: those that can, and those that can't. Ever notice how marketing is setup for each engine platforms? 4s are aimed at the "first car, sensible, good MPG, HS grad/college fresh, non-sportscar-easily-insurable" demographic. The 6 for the "rental, company-car, grocery getting, family car" demographic. The 8s for those who want bone stock power either for racing or hauling. 6s got the short end of the stick with the FWD. Hey, anyone remember when ALL cars were RWD?? Then we got screwed by all those foreign, point A to point B, gas-saving, more-controllable-in-bad-conditions" FWD 4s which basically killed the muscle car industry (Thanks for that). Then they decided to administer that "adrenaline-numbing" drug to the 6s (again, Thanks).

But the 4s got tired of being picked on, and rose to the challenge. Actually made it to a performance-status surpassing the 6s, with everyone blurting out, "Wow, those little things can go". But let's be real people, who actually "dreams" about owning a 4? If someone's passed on the highway by a SS Cobalt and then by a Mustang (not even boosted), when they're flipping through that Car & Driver mag at your next gas, which car ya think they'll be checking the specs on?

Cheap parts? You have cheap cars. What'd ya expect? Larger aftermarket? Part makers know those "college, part-time working, irresponsible" 4s will skip their rent, short themselves on tuition, short their GFs on the b-days just for that set of Secret Cams to shave a couple of split-seconds off that morning drive to school or while delivering that Dominoes pizza in less that 30 minutes.

Why is there no real aftermarket for the 6s. Mainly because we're all adults. Ya know, "out-of-school, steady income(s), able to get loans, able to pass a credit check" adults. Ya think when guys buy the DHP PowrTuner and the headers, they start to say to themselves "Man, I made a big mistake working on this 6. I'm gonna save my money, buy a 4 and have my neighbor's 16 yr old kid show me what to do". No, because they wanted a project, and though it may take longer, it's the journey that makes it worthwhile. I'm glad that I now have money to blow on my 6 which is why i'm buying that spare engine. May 30th officially made it 8 yrs that i've owned my Alero and the one thing I regret after all that time past is NOT that I didn't get a 4, but that I didn't have the time to really put into Ma Boi Al.

Hey, maybe this is off topic, but how many of you actually "love" your Als? I mean to point of giving it a nickname? I dubbed mine "Ma Boi Al". People don't do that anymore. It's "I'm running S/C this" or "turbo this". No one really cares about their cars anymore. The fact is all you folks repping 4s would toss it at the drop of a hat for an 8 or maybe even a 6 (of another kind of car, that is). Most of you guys have no sense of pride in your car, YOUR car. Only "how can I make this fast without spending too much money?" There is a member on this site who is the epitome of 6 dedication (no not BlackJack). Kwhauck is on his third Alero. He could have gone the easy route two Aleros ago, but he stayed true to what he loved. That's dedication lacking around here these days.

Again, those who can, those who can't. It's like collector model cars. Those that who look for the challenge of putting the pieces together, those that buy it pre-assembled and never take it out the box. Those who have money and time, those who don't. Those that love creating and the challenge, those that don't. Those that actually have pride in their cars, those that don't. Some are wondering what the heck I'm talking about. Wondering why we even bother. Some of us do it strictly for the love of our own cars. Some of us are making a hit list of all the boosted 4s here to someday meet at the track to shut them up, reminding them what they are and where they belong: prey at the bottom of the motor food chain. So keep saying we're wasting our money. We'll keep making our money, keep doing what we're doing, and meet up with ya soon.

Side note: The guy who brought up the point about the Pizza Hut CRX. Do ya really think that B16, B18, H22a, or F22 are super great engines? Uh, could it also have something to do with the fact that most Honda/Acura cars back then weighed 1000 lbs less than your average American made car? Look at it this way, what do you really think you're gonna accomplish at the track with with one of those engines tugging an N-body? And I really wouldn't be surprised if the guy put his last five Pizza Hut checks into his car, and ended up in debt to his eyeballs.

[01silveralero]

im soon to be tackling a project with 3800 supercharged v6 swap........

[CiscoPath]

A car with a Manual Transmission will make more power than one with the same engine and an Automatic.

It may stay longer in the RPM band, but it's not making MORE power.

And most people that "hate" the auto 3400 more than likely aren't "missing" the stick. More likely, they've never had one to begin with (or at least never associated it with performance). But then they come on sites like this and start hearing you guys talking about how it's supposed to be so much better. Then mob-mentality kicks in along with all the complaining. The ones with the 6 who aren't complaining may have wanted a stick, but they didn't blindly buy the car. They knew what they were purchasing. And Springs was close to getting that conversion done. But just think if he had. There would be alot less smugness from the stick 4s in posting.

[[ion] C2]

It's not that it makes more power, it's that more power actually gets to the ground..

Man you type a lot Cisco.

[[ion] C2]

Example: Take your car to a high school parking lot and watch the jocks and jailbait drool all over it.

ROFL this is true, I visited my old high school one day and I got there as everyone was getting out, and everyone was giving me thumbs up and nodding heartily, everyone loved it.

[kwhauck]

A car with a Manual Transmission will make more power than one with the same engine and an Automatic.

Sounds like to me you don't really want your car to be faster, you just want it to sound faster. If that's the case you should probably have a V8.



not true at all

Audi TT
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
Subaru WRX STI
Chevrolet Cobalt SS
Dodge Neon SRT4

^Cars with 4bangers with more power than a stock v6 Alero, and the list goes on



And all of those cars are factory boosted cars.......

and I have never had a cobalt ss keep up with my old supercharger setup..

[Alerosaint]

@cisco...Well Im not trying to get in more 4 is better than your 6 debate or vice versa....but I do own a 4, had it for over 4 years and her name is "Baby" and I know its not as potent as a 6 but I grown attach to my particular car and I wont trade her in for nothing cause been threw so much and had many wild adventures.
Speaking for myself, I just recently modded my car and will be modding it a little more. You can call my mods my gift to her. But my reasons for me doing what I do is to enjoy the ride a bit more of what I already have.I probably can afford to get a 6 in something else but at this point in time why. Im gonna just do what I can do to her and be happy. Im not in to the track scene to much so as far as bragging right concerned its not needed for. I have a boosted 4 and enjoy the little performance i got to make my everday drive with her great to me. And at the end of the day that all thats count. Im happy with my 4 she moves with more authority now so its all good. If i get stomp by a civic or 6 off a light cool, if a stomp them still cool, as long as I am happy and my car is running good. Later Im gonna get an M3 and even when I do decide to purchase that it gonna have to share the space with Baby.

[kwhauck]

the truth is, and i think you know it.........you could be faster wit hthe ecotec.....especially with the money you have spent

probably, but i haven't spent that much money, with all the parts off my old setup i have just been hitting a zero balance between buying and selling parts........

And back to the whole cookie cutter thing, I like to do custom stuff, and I could do an ecotec swap, as a matter of fact I have an full ecotec on the subframe in the garage with all my parts, i just choose to stick with the 3400, and although j-body guys are doing it, there isn't one decently quick ecotec alero yet........

People can argue all day long, it comes down to what you bought, and if or not you will build it, or if you are persistent enough if you will swap, either way I am sticking with the 3400/5speed setup.....

[CiscoPath]

C2;362764']
Man you type a lot Cisco.

Not really. Check my stats. I usually go a month to half a year without posting at all. I see it as making up for lost time...HA

I do own a 4, had it for over 4 years and her name is "Baby" and I know its not as potent as a 6 but I grown attach to my particular car and I wont trade her in for nothing cause been threw so much and had many wild adventures.


That's all i'm talking about. I have no beef with anyone that truly appreciates their car. Me and Al have had numerous adventures from running from the cops (not proud of it but it happened) to some wild roadtrips. Heck, I even got down and dirty for the first time in my Al. Bent the center armrest in the process slightly. Never bothered to fix it. My fiancee' laughed when I told her why I hadnt (I think she laughed).

And before i forget, let me respond to that reply made after my statement about 6s being effiicient:

I have a strange feeling if you told that to SpyHunter, he might disagree...

Only if he's re-inforced more than the 6's engine. Like I said before, if both cars ran the same turbo setup and tuning were done the same (with respect to their engine types), the 6 would still have him, just as if they were both stock. Only way he could beat a 6 is if the 6 was lacking in one of those catergories. If you're gonna quote me, don't do it out of context

[AJules]

OK, i think I see where all this debate is coming from. And i think I can resolve it. We are talking about two completely kind of people here: those that can, and those that can't. Ever notice how marketing is setup for each engine platforms? 4s are aimed at the "first car, sensible, good MPG, HS grad/college fresh, non-sportscar-easily-insurable" demographic. The 6 for the "rental, company-car, grocery getting, family car" demographic. The 8s for those who want bone stock power either for racing or hauling. 6s got the short end of the stick with the FWD. Hey, anyone remember when ALL cars were RWD?? Then we got screwed by all those foreign, point A to point B, gas-saving, more-controllable-in-bad-conditions" FWD 4s which basically killed the muscle car industry (Thanks for that). Then they decided to administer that "adrenaline-numbing" drug to the 6s (again, Thanks).

But the 4s got tired of being picked on, and rose to the challenge. Actually made it to a performance-status surpassing the 6s, with everyone blurting out, "Wow, those little things can go". But let's be real people, who actually "dreams" about owning a 4? If someone's passed on the highway by a SS Cobalt and then by a Mustang (not even boosted), when they're flipping through that Car & Driver mag at your next gas, which car ya think they'll be checking the specs on?

Cheap parts? You have cheap cars. What'd ya expect? Larger aftermarket? Part makers know those "college, part-time working, irresponsible" 4s will skip their rent, short themselves on tuition, short their GFs on the b-days just for that set of Secret Cams to shave a couple of split-seconds off that morning drive to school or while delivering that Dominoes pizza in less that 30 minutes.

Why is there no real aftermarket for the 6s. Mainly because we're all adults. Ya know, "out-of-school, steady income(s), able to get loans, able to pass a credit check" adults. Ya think when guys buy the DHP PowrTuner and the headers, they start to say to themselves "Man, I made a big mistake working on this 6. I'm gonna save my money, buy a 4 and have my neighbor's 16 yr old kid show me what to do". No, because they wanted a project, and though it may take longer, it's the journey that makes it worthwhile. I'm glad that I now have money to blow on my 6 which is why i'm buying that spare engine. May 30th officially made it 8 yrs that i've owned my Alero and the one thing I regret after all that time past is NOT that I didn't get a 4, but that I didn't have the time to really put into Ma Boi Al.

This is true.

[AJules]

Only if he's re-inforced more than the 6's engine. Like I said before, if both cars ran the same turbo setup and tuning were done the same (with respect to their engine types), the 6 would still have him, just as if they were both stock. Only way he could beat a 6 is if the 6 was lacking in one of those catergories. If you're gonna quote me, don't do it out of context

I wasn't I was just mentioning him because he had a 4 cylinder build that was completely custom

with no "cookie cutter kits" or anything like that

and he's had many things break along the way like anyone else with a completely custom build

You said a boosted 6 will always run better and more efficiently than a boosted 4

You can't say that because everybody's setup is different regardless of the engine. If you cut corners, your build probably won't be reliable, if you don't it probably will be more reliable if you have 4 cylinders or 6.

[CiscoPath]

^^Then I apologize. It was me who took your statement out of context. Didn't know Spy's setup was custom. For that, mad props. And if I left my statement open-ended, I'm sorry again. I'll say it like this. The engine of a boosted 4 (that has cut no corners bullet-proofing the internals) will have more longevity and run more efficiently at higher boost than a boosted 4 running stock internals. 6 engines cost more to replace (in terms of their rarity) than the 4 (which can be found anywhere). So 9 times out of 10, if you come across a boosted 6, the owner most likely spared no expense learning their cars inside-out. Whereas less than 50 percent of the 4s around here probably don't even know how to change their own oil

[AJules]

^^Then I apologize. It was me who took your statement out of context. Didn't know Spy's setup was custom. For that, mad props. And if I left my statement open-ended, I'm sorry again. I'll say it like this. The engine of a boosted 4 (that has cut no corners bullet-proofing the internals) will have more longevity and run more efficiently at higher boost than a boosted 4 running stock internals. 6 engines cost more to replace (in terms of their rarity) than the 4 (which can be found anywhere). So 9 times out of 10, if you come across a boosted 6, the owner most likely spared no expense learning their cars inside-out. Whereas less than 50 percent of the 4s around here probably don't even know how to change their own oil

Yeah, I agree with you there.

[Redog]

This all started because Kyle (-alero-) crys all the time about his poor LA1 motor and why o why he didn't get an LD9.

Buck up boy, want a LD9, go get one ;) In fact, there is one around here for less then $4000 and it's a stick. I would buy it, but I don't have that much cash flow.

All 3 motors have pontental, and a lot of it. All 3 motors can take power adders very easy and make crazy power. I've heard of a 3100 Malibu that is running 13's with a cam and some head work, not drastic head work either.

Earlier versions of the LA1 found thier way into the Ferrio, and some of which were kitted to look like a Lamborghini. Not saying they are as fast as one, but it's still has to be a respectable motor for that.

Plus the cost difference in aftermarket parts for the 2.4, 2.2 are far cheaper than the 3400's, why? Because the 4 banger parts are ava just about everywhere, the 3400 parts, you have to hunt for them.

The real plus to the 2.4 motor, is that it's orgianlly an Oldsmobile power plant, and the last of the manfactor specific motors to be mass produced. It's not the exact motor, but it shares a lot of the same parts as the 2.3 HO that was in the 91 Olds 442.

Not to call out Ion, but he's right now, running 14.8 or so in the 1/4 mile with a s/c. Yes he probably could turn the boost up and get it faster, but I'm running 14.5 all motor. and boost for boost, what are the Devner boys running? low 13's at 5,000 feet above sea level. Probably would be high to mid 12's at sea level.

My point is, all are good motors. Don't like what you have, grow balls and trade it in, but quit crying about it if you don't

[[ion] C2]

Not to call out Ion, but he's right now, running 14.8 or so in the 1/4 mile with a s/c. Yes he probably could turn the boost up and get it faster, but I'm running 14.5 all motor.
lol but i haven't done anything to my exhaust or internals, and you have a V6

and i'm not running 14.8 anymore, that was on 3-4 PSI on a hot day spinning tires without the TB or smaller pulley, sad.. now i'm on 7-8 and afraid to go to the track before rebuilding the 182,900 mi engine. with the fully built engine, full exhaust, methanol and drag radials i'm sure i can get some nice things done. :coolio:

[billytheman1188]

This all started because Kyle (-alero-) crys all the time about his poor LA1 motor and why o why he didn't get an LD9.

My point is, all are good motors. Don't like what you have, grow balls and trade it in, but quit crying about it if you don't

owned:lol::lol:

[[ion] C2]

owned besides the fact he wants the L61 not the LD9 :)

[-Alero-]

god damn it what the fuck is the matter with you people...... you spend 2,3,4,5,6 thousand dollars on a 3400 and for what...14 second 1/4 13 second 1/4 miles!?......the facts are facts, just because no one has built up a 2.2 in alero doesnt mean the 2.2 doesnt exisit....theres even a fucking how to on how to go from 130hp to 1300 hp on a ecotec block. i dont know about you girls bu i dont see any sponsered 3400 drag cars, i guess its because companies dont see the potential that isnt there

jesus titty fucking christ im not even going to rant or say a word im just going to repost what ion posted, so anyone who thinks the 3.4 is a godly motor boosted or n/a can suck it or fuck it


Fastest
8.70 @ 160
8.77 @ 149.58

2.2L Ecotec Power Adders
1. Adam Hahn, 11.145 @ 125.32
2. SunCavi, 11.946 @ 114.73
3. hypsy, 12.536 @ 104.43
4. John Horwath, 12.55 @ 116.00
5. Acer, 12.968 @ 110.28
6. DJ Ruiz (DJClueless), 12.979 @ 111.75
7. Aaron52788, 13.01 @ 111.07
8. Troy Mohrland, 13.3871@106.11
9. Exterminator, 13.551 @ 105.57
10. boostedeco, 13.677 @ 100.46

[-Alero-]

And all of those cars are factory boosted cars.......

and I have never had a cobalt ss keep up with my old supercharger setup..


what about the new cobalt ss's with the 2.0L turbo with 260 hp now? i think they ditched the S/C for a good reason

[[ion] C2]

anyone who thinks the 3.4 is a godly motor boosted or n/a can suck it or fuck it

Fastest
8.70 @ 160
8.77 @ 149.58

2.2L Ecotec Power Adders
1. Adam Hahn, 11.145 @ 125.32
2. SunCavi, 11.946 @ 114.73
3. hypsy, 12.536 @ 104.43
4. John Horwath, 12.55 @ 116.00
5. Acer, 12.968 @ 110.28
6. DJ Ruiz (DJClueless), 12.979 @ 111.75
7. Aaron52788, 13.01 @ 111.07
8. Troy Mohrland, 13.3871@106.11
9. Exterminator, 13.551 @ 105.57
10. boostedeco, 13.677 @ 100.46

hells yeah 2.2/2.4 FTW

[CiscoPath]

god damn it what the eff is the matter with you people...... you spend 2,3,4,5,6 thousand dollars on a 3400 and for what...14 second 1/4 13 second 1/4 miles!?
Yeah, because they can. Individuality costs, in time and money. Sorry you can’t wrap your mind around that, or can’t "afford" to. And you also have to consider that all those cheap individual parts add up to one big bill, not including shop costs because frankly, most people throw money at their engines and can’t even tell where to find the oil stick. 6s mainly do their own work, so the cost evens out in the long run. Plus 6s get the extra bonus of knowing they built their OWN engine, not a shop.
just because no one has built up a 2.2 in alero doesnt mean the 2.2 doesnt exisit
Yeah……………………..and….
i dont see any sponsered 3400 drag cars, i guess its because companies dont see the potential that isnt there
Wow, false. When a company sponsors a car, they do it to make money. They build up a car and slap all kinds of stickers on it so people will buy their parts. Heck, some cars have stickers for three different air intakes, and not one of them will be installed. When an ecotec car is sponsored, guaranteed every brand on it can be mated to it, whether it be a throttle body or projector headlights. I’ve already mentioned that the demographic most likely to throw their money away on cars are the ones who only want to be "fast", and get hypnotized by any pretty stickers that say it can make their car faster. And the companies bet on it. Companies bet on them blowing up their engine and coming back for more parts. They bet on that guy going to his other friends and telling them all to "get this", and like idiots with money, they will. You need to understand that when we build our 6 engines, we are making an investment, not just throwing on the latest fad we saw in SuperStreet. So when we finish our engines, we don’t intend on blowing up. We don’t think "Dude, well I’ll have my parents buy me another one". How many men do you think are sitting in the audience with his wife and two kids thinking "Man, I gotta get my car to do that. I better call that performance shop when I get home". More like "That was a great run. The dogs in heat again. Gotta remember to keep her off the carpet." So your misconception that 6s are not common to strip due to lack of performance potential is ill-thought. You’ll only find that "racing to find out who’s engine is the best" mentality at your local ¼ miler / fair grounds. Televised, sponsored events? 20 percent racing, 80 percent business. The car is nothing but a 9 to 14 second billboard. The company: The what? Vtec? Etec? Ecotec? A GM engine? Is it a good one? Who buys them? How much do they want? How many runs that day? OK, sign him: How your statement should actually read is – companies don’t see the potential that isn’t there…….to make them money.
jesus titty effing christ im not even going to rant or say a word im just going to repost what ion posted, so anyone who thinks the 3.4 is a godly motor boosted or n/a can suck it or eff it
I’m not sure what you consider a rant, but that pretty much fits the category. And dont repost a bunch of numbers. Again, we are not talking in terms of money nor timeslips. We’re talking about staying true to yourself and what’s yours. Here is an example, and i'm sure you guys are tired of hearing talk about cars, so I'll switch it to something we encounter on a daily basis. Say you’re a loser. A loser around seemingly intelligent people with good comprehension skills. They wonder why the loser chooses to go against the grain. Chooses to embrace retarded opinions instead of just going with the flow. It’s easier that way. Everyone gets along. Ya know why? If a loser can’t figure out a way to improve something, it’s easier to complain. It’s who he is. It’s his belief system. He embraces his character flaws which are probably inherited in his genes. It’s not up to us to try to persuade this guy - A Loser Embracing Retarded Opinions – from what he believes. Only respect his choices and roll with it. Can't make it any clearer than that.

[[ion] C2]

6s mainly do their own work, so the cost evens out in the long run. Plus 6s get the extra bonus of knowing they built their OWN engine, not a shop.What? People who own 4 cylinders don't do their own work yet those with the V6 do?

[-Alero-]

Yeah, because they can. Individuality costs, in time and money. Sorry you can’t wrap your mind around that, or can’t "afford" to. And you also have to consider that all those cheap individual parts add up to one big bill, not including shop costs because frankly, most people throw money at their engines and can’t even tell where to find the oil stick. 6s mainly do their own work, so the cost evens out in the long run. Plus 6s get the extra bonus of knowing they built their OWN engine, not a shop.

Yeah……………………..and….

Wow, false. When a company sponsors a car, they do it to make money. They build up a car and slap all kinds of stickers on it so people will buy their parts. Heck, some cars have stickers for three different air intakes, and not one of them will be installed. When an ecotec car is sponsored, guaranteed every brand on it can be mated to it, whether it be a throttle body or projector headlights. I’ve already mentioned that the demographic most likely to throw their money away on cars are the ones who only want to be "fast", and get hypnotized by any pretty stickers that say it can make their car faster. And the companies bet on it. Companies bet on them blowing up their engine and coming back for more parts. They bet on that guy going to his other friends and telling them all to "get this", and like idiots with money, they will. You need to understand that when we build our 6 engines, we are making an investment, not just throwing on the latest fad we saw in SuperStreet. So when we finish our engines, we don’t intend on blowing up. We don’t think "Dude, well I’ll have my parents buy me another one". How many men do you think are sitting in the audience with his wife and two kids thinking "Man, I gotta get my car to do that. I better call that performance shop when I get home". More like "That was a great run. The dogs in heat again. Gotta remember to keep her off the carpet." So your misconception that 6s are not common to strip due to lack of performance potential is ill-thought. You’ll only find that "racing to find out who’s engine is the best" mentality at your local ¼ miler / fair grounds. Televised, sponsored events? 20 percent racing, 80 percent business. The car is nothing but a 9 to 14 second billboard. The company: The what? Vtec? Etec? Ecotec? A GM engine? Is it a good one? Who buys them? How much do they want? How many runs that day? OK, sign him: How your statement should actually read is – companies don’t see the potential that isn’t there…….to make them money.

I’m not sure what you consider a rant, but that pretty much fits the category. And dont repost a bunch of numbers. Again, we are not talking in terms of money nor timeslips. We’re talking about staying true to yourself and what’s yours. Here is an example, and i'm sure you guys are tired of hearing talk about cars, so I'll switch it to something we encounter on a daily basis. Say you’re a loser. A loser around seemingly intelligent people with good comprehension skills. They wonder why the loser chooses to go against the grain. Chooses to embrace retarded opinions instead of just going with the flow. It’s easier that way. Everyone gets along. Ya know why? If a loser can’t figure out a way to improve something, it’s easier to complain. It’s who he is. It’s his belief system. He embraces his character flaws which are probably inherited in his genes. It’s not up to us to try to persuade this guy - A Loser Embracing Retarded Opinions – from what he believes. Only respect his choices and roll with it. Can't make it any clearer than that.


hmmph my mistake, everything you just said revolved around nothing i originally posted about, not to sure if your a professional asshole or just looking for an arguement, ill let you know that assumptions lead to mistakes.

first of all this so called "rant" of mine is sinply explained to this fellow aleromodder that the 3400 is no worth modding for what is desired, your "misconception" is that all "6s" have thier own little VIP world that every drops thier panties for, and that just cause there isnt a huge aftermarket by high quality companies.....the reason the companies dont see the demand, the benefit, nor the documentaion that this so called "6s" is anywhere even close to being the latest crave on the streets, the tracks or your back yard, and lay down the power, or the numbers to be worth a damn, i know this from experience,i dont know if you think your clear tail lights and your heavy experience in working with the 60* family have any influence on what you say, but to me everything you say is just another opinion just another set of mind that proves nothing.

second you think you have some upper hand on the situation at hand, facts are facts truth is truth, there is no proof no record, no posting, no historic event, proving that the 3400 can slam a 10 second 1/4 mile for anywhere near the amount of time and money compared to a 2.2 ecotec. now, if your smart ass is wanting to compare a 6 cylinder to 6 cylinder, you take what you know right now and compare this so called potential powerplant (LA1) to a nissan 3.5, a toyota 3.5 ,or a honda 3.5, compare and contrast why those motors make more power stock than a modded or boosted LA1. sure modding a 3400 is different, but the question is it worth it for just that handfull of people to say "wowwie zam bam wam, what motor is that?" and then we all carry on with our lives. 3400 doesnt make an impact on peoples lives like you think/wish. i dont know where you get your information from, but it seems like your just trying to get the last word in, possibly running on hopes and dreams that one person will think of you as a cool person on these forums, props to you.....


third, never in my fucking life or in any of my posts have i ever even began to think that pretty stickers make a car fast, nor do i abide by your loser rules, posting numbers is how the fucking world turns, every car in the world exists of numbers, numbers to creat the car and numbers to show what the car is worth, the alero your so called life, it all consists of numbers, no i have no idea why in hell why you would not want another human being to produce amoutn of numbers on a forum is up to you and not me. now if you want to start to make a threat towards me or make your attempt to embarrass me i can simply turn this around, lets just say you were a poseur....... a poseur is one who affects a particular attribute, attitude, or identity to impress or influence others, now you may think cause you come on the forums once maybe twice a month that you some how gained the knowlege of 3400 overseer, well from what i see you are a poseur, you have yet to lay down any post retaining to my original posts, you made your attempt to pick out individual pieces of what i said gather them into your own conclusion and make your effort towards a post to impress a crowd of your liking, aka a poseur... coming from a so called aleromodder of yourself, you dont even know the 3400, you have to buy an entire motor just to get "used to the parts" on the motor, somehow your unable to learn any other way. judging by your experiences, i have to ask you......what the fuck are you trying to prove? are you trying to stick up for the LA1 or just trying show off with what you do or do not know?

[CiscoPath]

C2;363314']What? People who own 4 cylinders don't do their own work yet those with the V6 do?

Not at all, man. Only saying the guys who work on cars not common to shops (on or off this site) typically work on theirs themselves. Guys with pretty ordinary engines (4s or any others, on or off site) probably go the easy route and let the shop do it. If you installed your own supercharger, then I apologize.

[Spilner521]

C2;363314']What? People who own 4 cylinders don't do their own work yet those with the V6 do?
Apparently not. I guess we all had someone else make our cars fast for us.

[[ion] C2]

Not at all, man. Only saying the guys who work on cars not common to shops (on or off this site) typically work on theirs themselves. Guys with pretty ordinary engines (4s or any others, on or off site) probably go the easy route and let the shop do it. If you installed your own supercharger, then I apologize.

I thought it was the other way around, most shops only like working with big engines, and 4-cyl guys tend to do everything on their own. The 3400 is a tad harder to work with, I thought. I've done everything on my own and am confident I can tear this thing apart and put all of the parts I've acquired into it without much difficulty, however I'd rather have a shop do it, since I have little time and little desire to make a mistake with something so vital.

[-Alero-]

so does this mean its split up into divisions?

let me get this straight:
4 cylinder tuners - dont work on thier own car?
6 cylinder tuners - work on their car?
8 cylinder tuners - question mark?

hmmph, i guess livin life in the v6 lane makes your penis bigger?

[CiscoPath]

Shops like cars that the owner doesn't seem to know a whole about so they can charge them for stuff they probably don't need. Now I can tell by the way some of the guys talk on here that they are probably on first name basis with the local mech. The ones who buy their T/C online before they even pay their first car note? They're a different story

[CiscoPath]

so does this mean its split up into divisions?

let me get this straight:
4 cylinder tuners - dont work on thier own car?
6 cylinder tuners - work on their car?
8 cylinder tuners - question mark?

hmmph, i guess livin life in the v6 lane makes your penis bigger?

When did I say ALL 4 cyl cars are taken to the shop? I said car companies thrive off the demographic that own 4s. They are more prone to throwing money at their car and not rationally thinking out a budget or properly know how to even take care of their cars. If you're not among the latter, then you're one step ahead of the pack.

[-Alero-]

alrighties

[xXManwhoreXx]

hmmph, i guess livin life in the v6 lane makes your penis bigger?

Thats where I get it from!

[Spilner521]

hmmph, i guess livin life in the v6 lane makes your penis bigger?

I wonder what those self built V6 guys say when a self built turbo 4 blows by them...

[jackal2000]

A car with a Manual Transmission will make more power than one with the same engine and an Automatic.

we all know that. the real question is does the 3% of hp gained by the manual offset the slower shift times? can you shift in half a second? hell, i programmed my car to shift in .1 seconds. granted, it doesn't shift that fast, but its close.

[[ion] C2]

I wonder what those self built V6 guys say when a self built turbo 4 blows by them...

GO TO THE TRACK.

I'm not sure how the hell you can build your turbo setup and just fly around on the street and claim you should be in the low 13s yet never go to the track to get some real numbers. WHY? Why would you not want to know what your work does and just speculate, then decide to tear apart the car and put in an Ecotec and do something else. SEE WHAT THIS DOES. SERIOUSLY. I WANT TO KNOW.

[AJules]

we all know that. the real question is does the 3% of hp gained by the manual offset the slower shift times? can you shift in half a second? hell, i programmed my car to shift in .1 seconds. granted, it doesn't shift that fast, but its close.

I never thought of it that way. I've never actually tested it either, but I've always assumed the extra power was a greater advantage than the shift time was a disadvantage.

I visit gagt.com pretty often to see what's new and I do know there is a guy who mated a 6-speed manual with a 3400 v6? Does anybody know about that? I've never actually read the threads but it seems like it would have some pretty interesting results.

C2;364005']GO TO THE TRACK.

I'm not sure how the hell you can build your turbo setup and just fly around on the street and claim you should be in the low 13s yet never go to the track to get some real numbers. WHY? Why would you not want to know what your work does and just speculate, then decide to tear apart the car and put in an Ecotec and do something else. SEE WHAT THIS DOES. SERIOUSLY. I WANT TO KNOW.

x2, I wouldn't mind seeing some track times either

same thing for you c2, I'm curious to see what times your setup can run.

[Spilner521]

C2;364005']GO TO THE TRACK.

I'm not sure how the hell you can build your turbo setup and just fly around on the street and claim you should be in the low 13s yet never go to the track to get some real numbers. WHY? Why would you not want to know what your work does and just speculate, then decide to tear apart the car and put in an Ecotec and do something else. SEE WHAT THIS DOES. SERIOUSLY. I WANT TO KNOW.
:lol: :lol:

Chill out dude. Let's get upset at someone you don't even know because of something they said on the internet...

The nearest quarter mile track is over an hour away from here. Plus, to run a street driven car at the track, it needs to have a current state inspection, which my car does not. I need 2 new oxygen sensors, plus the other day I started leaking fuel from somewhere around the tank.

If you knew me, you'd know that I don't just fly around the street. Actually very rarely do I really get on it. Yes, there have been the occasional short sprints on the highway, or a few street races here and there, but who doesn't do that? I don't go out every night looking for the next guy to race to the next red light.

Also, I've said I should run around high 13's because similar setups on J-bodies have run around mid 13's, and Aleros are a little heavier. I have also beat cars, from a roll and from a dig, that I know run high 13's.

If I really cared that much about the numbers, I would've been to the track already and I would've kept adding little things to this engine. When the new engine is in and running, then I'll get some numbers to see what it will do.

If you want to know so bad, swap to a turbo. Besides, there's no point doing a nice build on an engine to waste it on a weak supercharger.

[[ion] C2]

same thing for you c2, I'm curious to see what times your setup can run.
Daily driver, 183,000 miles. Too risky. Gotta wait til the the spare engine's built and put in and I spray meth.

Chill out dude. Let's get upset at someone you don't even know because of something they said on the internet...
It's serious business.
If you knew me, you'd know that I don't just fly around the street. Actually very rarely do I really get on it. Yes, there have been the occasional short sprints on the highway, or a few street races here and there, but who doesn't do that? I don't go out every night looking for the next guy to race to the next red light.
Same here.
If you want to know so bad, swap to a turbo. Besides, there's no point doing a nice build on an engine to waste it on a weak supercharger.
LOLWTF? I'm doing a custom FMIC MP62 setup soon enough, along with meth, nitrous, CO2 intercooler sprayer, and a ton of other stuff. All I want are low 13s or high 12s, and the whine. Satisfactory to me.

[Spilner521]

C2;364021']LOLWTF? I'm doing a custom FMIC MP62 setup soon enough, along with meth, nitrous, CO2 intercooler sprayer, and a ton of other stuff. All I want are low 13s or high 12s, and the whine. Satisfactory to me.
I knew that you get you going :p

[2fast2furious01]

I definitely wish they were more options on parts and accesibility for us 3.4 guys. I guess when you're the less popular one you gotta pay the price price ...

[-Alero-]

I definitely wish they were more options on parts and accesibility for us 3.4 guys. I guess when you're the less popular one you gotta pay the price price ...

^^exactly, and when it comes to owning alero not everyone is willing to pay that extra price

[BlackJack]

hahaha, I just got through reading all this garbage.

This isn't to anyone in general, but everyone in particular.



Truth be told? I bought my Alero as a back-up family car for while I was gone on my first Iraq deployment. I didn't want to go this far with it, but I love my car, but also wanted to build a "tuner". I wasn't about to go buy another car, so I just began with simple mods (all that was available at the time) and decided to try and go all out.

Bottom line is, it might not be the best thing happening, but it's MINE, and I LOVE IT. So I'm going to do the best I can do with it, and anybody that wants to step up with their 4-banger N-body and equalize weight with me (3600lb track weight) is more than welcome to. I don't hate the 4-bangers, but I own a 6, and that's what I'm going to work with. If I had a 4-banger, I'd be building it either way.

As far as all the shit-talking about the ecotec, I have yet to see someone who brags about all the potential actually do one with an N-body, and until then, STFU and eat a fat one.

[Raziel]

nevermind old post forget my 2 cents

[kwhauck]

When I bought my Alero I had a choice between it and the other 2 being the 2.2's, I wanted the 6, not because it was a b*t*h to mod, but because I wanted the bigger motor, was tired of driving stick, had more options and was cheaper than the 2.2s that were the same year.

The cars that you are defining are prebuilt with a turbo or supercharger so in all theory and actuallity....THEY ARE GOING TO BE FASTER THAN A STOCK 6...it doesn't take rocket science to know that and I sure as hell aint going to trade off the current vehicle so I can be like every other wanna be tuner driving pre-build Cavalier's and Neon's, I wanna do the work myself.

Like it was said in previous posts, if you are so worried about the smaller engine transplant one or trade in...it's not really a difficult decision to make, maybe a couple of notches in brain activity at most.

there is my 2 cents worth on the subject, like it or hate it, but it's my opinion.

Raz

[[ion] C2]

btw, post originated over 1 year ago, most recent post was an accidental thread resurrection

[NickAlero2000]

exactly DOHC > pushrod.......... Ken how many times have you gone to the track and seen a little CRX with its B16 or B18 or hell even the K20, with its little Pizza hut hat on,literally stomp all over LS1's and V8's all day......

Theres a K20 all motor Civic at LVD that pushes mid 12s:ninja:
And ya, they stomp the 8 cyl's because the 8s are pulling a lot more weight than the stripped sub 2000lb crex :lol:

[[ion] C2]

-Alero-'s post was made on 5-29-2008


FYI

:)

[wrestlingandrunning]

LOLWTF? I'm doing a custom FMIC MP62 setup soon enough, along with meth, nitrous, CO2 intercooler sprayer, and a ton of other stuff. All I want are low 13s or high 12s, and the whine. Satisfactory to me.[/QUOTE]

Don't you have a turbo on your car now? lol and yes I know when thi swas started a year ago but I think it's funny how things change so quick.

[[ion] C2]

It is funny how everything changed since then. Screw the MP62. Scrapped the project and turbo'd the next week.

[Raziel]

Yah I wasn't payin attention, long day at work and such, hence the quick edit, but then I see Kwa stuck in for me ... Thanks...So now that the feelin like a tit in too small a cup syndrome is over :drunk:

[kwhauck]

C2;481210']It is funny how everything changed since then. Screw the MP62. Scrapped the project and turbo'd the next week.

i'm gonna take a wild guess and say if your supercharger setup was put together like the wiring mess in your car that was posted from ass, no wonder you never got good results.......

[[ion] C2]

Nope...

[kwhauck]

C2;481294']Nope...

not to be a dick but i find it hard to believe that one part of your car is half-assed, while you claim the other one was 100% thought out and well put together, generally speaking if somebody half-asses one part of their car the chances are very good, that the rest of it is half-assed too.......

[[ion] C2]

Dude what the FUCK are you talking about? Just because I couldn't find the hole to run wires through back when I first tapped power there in my ricer underbody days, doesn't mean shit about anything else that's been done since then. Everything I've wired up and hosed up has been done the proper way since I found the grommet. Just because I didn't do electrical that well in powering my gauges doesn't mean shit about mechanical work.

No one gets good times on the MP45. Most, even the lighter Cavalier guys are reporting 160-170 whp, and many don't even get out of the 15s.. those that do only run 14.7.. and very few who've run 14.3 (ported blower). IATs at 160 and 5 psi of boost on a hot day don't really do me any good for getting good times...

[Vic28]

C2;481300']Dude what the FUCK are you talking about? Just because I couldn't find the hole to run wires through back when I first tapped power there in my ricer underbody days, doesn't mean shit about anything else that's been done since then. Everything I've wired up and hosed up has been done the proper way since I found the grommet. Just because I didn't do electrical that well in powering my gauges doesn't mean shit about mechanical work.

No one gets good times on the MP45. Most, even the lighter Cavalier guys are reporting 160-170 whp, and many don't even get out of the 15s.. those that do only run 14.7.. and very few who've run 14.3 (ported blower). IATs at 160 and 5 psi of boost on a hot day don't really do me any good for getting good times...
LOL.. is better than someone around here that drilled a hole thru the firewall and went straight to the brake power booster, and another hole in the gas tank trying to hold down the amp, in a damn SRT4 :lol:

[kwhauck]

C2;481300'] Dude what the FUCK are you talking about? Just because I couldn't find the hole to run wires through, doesn't mean shit about anything else.

At least my car runs and I get shit done.


what happened to this post?

[[ion] C2]

It was edited for further clarification.

I was going to save the second line for your next retort, but you found it anyway. :lol: I wasn't going to be a dick unless you came back with another remark.

[Alerosaint]

C2;481300']Dude what the eff are you talking about? Just because I couldn't find the hole to run wires through back when I first tapped power there in my ricer underbody days, doesn't mean shit about anything else that's been done since then. Everything I've wired up and hosed up has been done the proper way since I found the grommet. Just because I didn't do electrical that well in powering my gauges doesn't mean shit about mechanical work.

No one gets good times on the MP45. Most, even the lighter Cavalier guys are reporting 160-170 whp, and many don't even get out of the 15s.. those that do only run 14.7.. and very few who've run 14.3 (ported blower). IATs at 160 and 5 psi of boost on a hot day don't really do me any good for getting good times...

170+hp here....gonna try to go to the track here soon...IAT 155 on a decent day....we will see what times i can bring on the mp45, but I know its not gonna be that low. =S

[kwhauck]

C2;481340']It was edited for further clarification.

I was going to save the second line for your next retort, but you found it anyway. :lol: I wasn't going to be a dink unless you came back with another remark.


i don't know what you are talking about anyways, cuz my car runs, i started it this afternoon.......

[[ion] C2]

:thumb:

[Jibbs.]

@ Ion

only 170.. really. I was under the assumption that your body kit added at least 20 hp.:rolleyes2:

[Chris2000]

@ Ion

only 170.. really. I was under the assumption that your body kit added at least 20 hp.:rolleyes2:

:nuts: :badidea:

I would stop while you're ahead since you don't know what he's done to his car since then and the last post was over a year ago.

[[ion] C2]

Welcome to the past, newbie. My car is nearing 400HP with 18 PSI from a GT3076R turbocharger, custom intake manifold, built engine, etc.

Someone lock this old post that was veered off track and then bumped for a useless comment by an ignorant retard.

http://speedindustry.biz/img/projects/alero/10.jpg

[Ttop191]

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

[kwhauck]

400 crank or 400 wheel?

[[ion] C2]

who knows, it's not important to me, it's all about the 1/4 mile, which we'll find out within 1-2 weeks.

by the way, i found the old bickering above to be quite comical

[kwhauck]

me too, i'm waiting for you to bust out a 12.....

[colonel6632]

^^^every single god damn day i regret ever getting the LA1 and wish every day i had the ecotec

he he he. i've got ecotec and 5-speed.

the only thing i want different is it to be black and sunroof and power windows

[Thewolf]

I've read though this whole thread and no one never mentioned about the 3.4L DOHC engine from GM. 205-210 hp stock, can't someone modify that and potentially beat those 3400 guys. :p

And what's the whole deal about this ECOTEC? You know what ECOTEC stands for, Electronic Cutoff of the Engine Cylinders LOL. That's why I drive a 3400 SFI which means, See Forget those Inline-4's.

[Cliff8928]

ehh.. the 3.4 TDC never should've existed the way it was. Sure it made good power, but it's MASSIVE, and was definitely a cheap stop-gap way of getting a DOHC V6.

[-Alero-]

ITT: Banter

[hok666]

I've read though this whole thread and no one never mentioned about the 3.4L DOHC engine from GM. 205-210 hp stock, can't someone modify that and potentially beat those 3400 guys. :p

And what's the whole deal about this ECOTEC? You know what ECOTEC stands for, Electronic Cutoff of the Engine Cylinders LOL. That's why I drive a 3400 SFI which means, See Forget those Inline-4's.


I have both engines and I think the dohc is more powerful like you said. Ive actually got a billet crank wheel I have been dieing to put, but for now I have to fix the famous oil leak everyone gets with the dohc. which would be the head gasket:D LOL. I have the dohc in a 94 cutlass supreme that has seen better days. LOL