frozen gas?

[blueolds01]

well i have another problem with my car. tonight its about 10 degress out and i was almost done with work well i decided to move my car around to the front of the building while i was taking the trash out. so i went inside for about 10 minutes finished up and went back out to start my car. the only reason i turned it off is because some had there car stolen there a few weeks ago. well i couldnt get my car to start. it seems its not getting any fuel. did maybe some water thats in the gas freeze in the injectors? we sparyed some started fluid into the tb but it would only run for a second. my car is stuck out front of were i work and i am no longer mobile. can anyone help me? am i going to have to wait untill it gets above 32 to get it going?? i want my car:cry:

[Gr1m]

i dont see how its possible for what your saying to be true

[MADMike]

Same thing happened to me, well similar anyways. Probly the fuel pump.

[AftermathAlero]

Dont buy cheap gas thats is mainly water! get the good stuff.

and ur fuel pump is prolly crapping out.

how low is the gas tank?

Grim- my friend she filled up her truck w/ cheap gas. It made the car run like poop. We dropped the tank to pour it out and u can see the gas/water separate in the container we poured it in.

[Gr1m]

sorry my car only sees 93

[cavaliers60]

I drove my car in 10 degree weather today and had no problems... Sounds like the fuel pump.

[blueolds01]

its get go (gaint eagle) brand, im not rich....

theres half a tank of gas.

i dont understand how it can work and then 10 minutes later it doesnt... i can hear the fuel pump when i turn the key. the car has 84k miles on it. would it really quit on me that fast?

can i change the pump in a parking lot. i dont want to have it towed home...

[ares89]

brother was told by a dealer not to get getgo gas... says its got alot more dirt and junk in it than others.. he had an 05 Mustang at the time and the gas he was getting (getgo) was supposedly screwin with the sensors

[Redog]

I've been told the pump is easy to replace, but I would still have it towed home. No use in forgetting a tool or lugginh a entire load of tools you don't need

[strtrydr]

^from what the dealership told me the pump is easy to replace but it is the fact that the tank has to be dropped to get the pump out :( ... definitely not something to do in a parking lot with minimal tools.

[Brandino78]

yeah fuel pump, have you run your tank low in the cold before? its something not worth doing in a parking lot, too much messing around. probally a combination of poor gas quality, weather

[Vtolds]

I would just throw some dry gas in and see what you come up with.

[misslindseysue]

Yeah, drygas or something like it. My Alero died on me once, just driving along and fuel line froze somewhere. It wasn't far from work, so nothing was unfrozen yet. Added some gas and a bottle of something (sorry, don't remember exactly what), sloshed the tank a little, and I was good to go.

[Gr1m]

fuel pump is very easy to replace, its just that you haveto drop the tank in order to get to the top where the fuel pump assemb is mounted

[blueolds01]

what is drygas? thanks for all the help. ill hopfully have it home for the weekend. weather its running or not.

[Vtolds]

It gets rid of moisture you should try that before dropping your gas tank.

[mike2002]

they sell "heat" at any gas station, get the "iso heat" it will absorb the water out of your gas tank.

it should take longer then 10 minutes to freeze, but warm water will freeze faster then cold water.

both times this happened to my work van i pushed it into the wharehouse and let it warm all day inside. it takes a little to start it after that, since there fuel line needs to refill but it should go no problem.

[natedawg9640]

isn't isoheat technically just ethyl alchohol or... ethanol... and it doesn't absord water... it bonds to the h20 molecules and lets them burn through... is the security light blinking?

[blueolds01]

i will try some sort of drygas before i drop the tank. i got it home tonight, cost me 8 bucks so im not so bummed.

lately when ive been driving my security light has come on. when it does i usually just turn the car off and turn it back on and it goes away. tonight i tried to reset the sercurity thing, some one brought it up to me. he to just to turn the key in the 'on' position for 5 minutes then try to start it. it didnt start. is there some other way of resetting it?

[jabartram]

security light, is key on for 10 mins at the least.

[blueolds01]

security light, is key on for 10 mins at the least.

ill put the battery charger on it tomarrow and let it go for 10 minutes. i really hope this is it. yes i killed the battery tring to start it...:(

[cherrington17]

it should take longer then 10 minutes to freeze, but warm water will freeze faster then cold water.

wow... this thread is full of inaccurate info. :rolleyes2:

1) gas can't freeze at temps that sustain human life. (like previously stated, some "bad gas" can separate and cause issues) other wise, siberia/canada/greenland/artic regions wouldn't have any vehicles able to move on them. (i know most of them use different types from standard gasoline)

2) warm water does NOT freeze quicker then cold. last time i checked... if you boil water (100C) then freeze water (0C) there is no way to make the 100C get to 0C quicker then if the you had some that is say.... 20C. thats just plain idiotic. yes, i know its a common myth. its just like saying microwaves heat food from the inside out. it defies the laws of physics...

mike, the laws of thermodynamics pwn you. :lol:

[CharleyO99Alero]

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By the way, common "rubbing alcohol" works if you have water in the tank. It mixes with both water & gasoline and, at less than $2 a quart bottle for 91%, it's a lot cheaper.


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[cherrington17]

^ just don't pour the whole thing in. :lol:

[blueolds01]

security light, is key on for 10 mins at the least.

IT LIVES!!!! thank you sooo much! i turned the key on for a half hour and it started right up!

[natedawg9640]

you should invest in getting your key re-cut... sometimes the key gets worn down and the ignition gets mad at it...

[mike2002]

wow... this thread is full of inaccurate info. :rolleyes2:

1) gas can't freeze at temps that sustain human life. (like previously stated, some "bad gas" can separate and cause issues) other wise, siberia/canada/greenland/artic regions wouldn't have any vehicles able to move on them. (i know most of them use different types from standard gasoline)

2) warm water does NOT freeze quicker then cold. last time i checked... if you boil water (100C) then freeze water (0C) there is no way to make the 100C get to 0C quicker then if the you had some that is say.... 20C. thats just plain idiotic. yes, i know its a common myth. its just like saying microwaves heat food from the inside out. it defies the laws of physics...

mike, the laws of thermodynamics pwn you. :lol:


WOW, i dont even know where to start

first, if your going to try to tear into someone, dont skip second grade science class

i know gas doesn't freeze in normal climate. but water does. and if you live in cold climates, which if your havin this problem you do, getting water in your gas tank is very easy to do. thats why "iso heat" is so popular, it absorbs it. frost can accumulate inside your tank, then when it thaws you have water in your tank. most gas contains at least 10% ethenaol now, which also ATTRACTS water

and yes, hot water freezes faster then cold water

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/11063/

its Common knowledge, search all you want or just throw two ice trays in your freezer, one with hot water, one with cold water from your sink. the hot water tray will freeze over faster, rapid cooling.


Life PWNS YOU!!! and so do I, because you have no idea what your talking about!!! but im glad you added some personal attacks, it made proving you wrong more fun.

so there is your thermodynamic link! i can provide 293294 more too if you want?

[mike2002]

oh...and microwaves dont heat foot. we're not talking about a oven here, we're talking about exciting molecules and conventional heating is thrown out the window

someone liked skipping science class

[cherrington17]

that was in no way a personal attack.. more like an edcuational poking fun of. but if you took it personal, thats your problem.

and i will continue to protest the cooling of water issue, until you post something thats an accredited website. answerbag is just as useful as yahoogroups.

and yes, i know how microwaves work, i was just simplifiing the matter. but it could be argued that exciting molecules increases their rate of speed, thus providing friction leading to heat....

[mike2002]

your educational poking fun of wasn't to educational though...since you were wrong on both accounts

warm water can freeze faster. a simple online search or experiment can prove that. but this is getting to off topic

i see what your doing, and its to be expected. its obvious you were trying to take personal attacks by saying my "theory" (or rather fact) was idiotic. i know your point of view, hot water has to become cold water before it freezes but there are ALOT more things to take into account.

there are alot of unexplainable or hard to explain things in nature that arn't what common sense would tell you is right. Water is a big one. why does it expand when it freezes? we all know it does, and why, but this is very unusual because most chemicals are more dense when frozen...but if it didn't expand and become less dense, we wouldn't be here...life wouldn't, according to science.

[blueolds01]

why does the sercurity light come? it keeps coming on...

[natedawg9640]

i told you... get your key recut and it might save you another ten minutes in the cold for a while... either your key is getting worn and your ignition cylinder doesn't like it... or your ignition is getting worn and nobody likes it... try a new key and it might fix the problem for a while anyhow... otherwise... if your ignition is wearing out... you'll need a new one.

[blueolds01]

okay. ill get another key cut. is there anything else that would cause the security light to come on?

[GoldStar611]

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-05/ns-wwf053106.php
I hate physics but now I wanna know if Hot distilled water freezes faster than Cold distilled water, which would rule out solutes. I say ya'll are both right. At any rate, I had to replace my fuel pump before 80K because I never changed out the fuel filter.

[Gr1m]

if you get another key cut and the problem still persists, you must replace your entire igy cylinder.

[blueolds01]

well i looked at it at school today and i found that it could be the gauge cluster too. but we dont have the scan tool that i need to scan for the security light so im gonna have to take it to a dealer if the new key doesnt do it.

[mike2002]

okay. ill get another key cut. is there anything else that would cause the security light to come on?


i dont think you scan your car, but i know on my car ive always got a scanner plugged into the obdII port and once in a while it sets the security light...this is known to happen.

[blueolds01]

i think im just gonna drive it till it breaks... they want 80 bucks to diagnois it at the dealer. the car hasnt shut off on me lately, we'll see how it goes. thanks for your help!

[Gr1m]

is that with a new key?

[meadus101]

With a stealership, I'd say Plugging in the code reader.

[HotRod11686]

the whole security light bullshit is probably the biggest pain in the ass to deal with. This happened to me for like 2 years. Turns out that the fuel pump was crapping out the whole entire time. Once it starts to really mess up you should see the Check engine light pop up.

New fuel pump and Im still occasionally getting the security light blinking because the car wouldnt start up.
My best tip to you is when you get in the car, make sure you let the key on the start position until the car fires up and when it does push on the gas to keep it that way. Because if you notice it would sometimes start then shut down. Well thats my 2 cents, its worked for me plenty of times.

Good luck with that

[blueolds01]

its not with a new key. i switched with the back up key. shes still going....