3.4 Supercharger, N/A, Turbo

[Mr_Reed]

Here's the stitch guys..
pretty much everyone I know fixes up imports and everyone wonders wtf is an Alero I know my car has potential and I've seen what they can do from looking into Red Dogs car and Jackals but.. I was wondering whats the best bang for you buck when it comes to moding these cars?
I just have small mods right now.
cat back exhaust system.
MSD wires/coil kit.
I plan on getting the..
PFYC Chip
Chrome Intakes (Ebay cai)
Underdrive pulley

and then the question mark comes up..
I don't want to spend over 2500 bucks I have my own shop to work in and I have lots of friends that can weld.. yada yada..

[pimpalero2003]

well if u can get people to do the turbo manifold or what ever id say turbo

[jackal2000]

turbo, hands down. you could probably piece together a budget turbo build for $2k. if you went N/A, that same amount of money gets you headers, heads, and a cam with a couple hundred bucks to spare, but no where near the power level. if i could do it again i would have just had the blown head gasket fixed and slapped a t3/t4 turbo on it and called it a day.

[YALEROYNOT]

go to reddogs cardomain page. and he listed his mods. he has like 207hp at wheels

[jackal2000]

go to reddogs cardomain page. and he listed his mods. he has like 207hp at wheels

no he doesnt. his car has never been dynoed and there is no way its even close to 200whp.

[Redog]

^^ Really, who's running 14's :rolleyes2:

[Redog]

There are a few things you can do. Personally I like the s/c over the turbo.

Turbo will make power a lot quicker, but it's also a hell of a lot of heat to deal with. S/C runs cooler, and is belt driven. You can get a smaller pulley for it too fairly easy.

Mizly also has a s/c cam and a stage 1 and stage 2 n/a kit. I'm looking to get the stage 2 kit when the day comes to replace the motor. Both kits come with upper and lower manifolds, cam, PCM, thromo, new timing chain, complete gasket set, and some thing else I'm sure I'm leaving out.

The stage 2 kit will get you some nice power ;)

[YALEROYNOT]

There are a few things you can do. Personally I like the s/c over the turbo.

Turbo will make power a lot quicker, but it's also a hell of a lot of heat to deal with. S/C runs cooler, and is belt driven. You can get a smaller pulley for it too fairly easy.

Mizly also has a s/c cam and a stage 1 and stage 2 n/a kit. I'm looking to get the stage 2 kit when the day comes to replace the motor. Both kits come with upper and lower manifolds, cam, PCM, thromo, new timing chain, complete gasket set, and some thing else I'm sure I'm leaving out.

The stage 2 kit will get you some nice power ;)

HOW MUCH ?

LINK ?

[Redog]

http://www.milzymotorsports.com/

[YALEROYNOT]

wow thats a good price $2700 for the stage 2

[Mr_Reed]

There are a few things you can do. Personally I like the s/c over the turbo.

Turbo will make power a lot quicker, but it's also a hell of a lot of heat to deal with. S/C runs cooler, and is belt driven. You can get a smaller pulley for it too fairly easy.

Mizly also has a s/c cam and a stage 1 and stage 2 n/a kit. I'm looking to get the stage 2 kit when the day comes to replace the motor. Both kits come with upper and lower manifolds, cam, PCM, thromo, new timing chain, complete gasket set, and some thing else I'm sure I'm leaving out.

The stage 2 kit will get you some nice power ;)

So if I did go with the stage 2 kit what would I do about my fuel system?

Did Jackal make his own Turbo manifold and everything?

[[ion] C2]

jackal has a turbo?

turbo's reach peak power faster than superchargers?

i'm lost

[Mr_Reed]

My bad I ment Blackjack

[billytheman1188]

My bad I ment Blackjack

if i remember right, blackjack tried to save as much money as he could on his set-up. He made a lot of stuff.... just PM him and he will help you out.

[Redog]

So if I did go with the stage 2 kit what would I do about my fuel system?

Did Jackal make his own Turbo manifold and everything?

It comes with injectors, doesn't it?

I would think the stock pump would be fine, but you could get an upgraded one. Stock fuel pumps suck anyway

[misslindseysue]

C2;323407']jackal has a turbo?

turbo's reach peak power faster than superchargers?

i'm lost

Me too. I've only driven my turbo-ed engine, but I don't get boost 'till about 2500rpm, then it's hangonholytorquesteer!

[jackal2000]

^^ Really, who's running 14's :rolleyes2:

we both are clown. prove your claim of over 200whp. you cant just add up the hp of each mod and think thats what you have. :rolleyes2:

[Six Shooter]

There are a few things you can do. Personally I like the s/c over the turbo.

Turbo will make power a lot quicker, but it's also a hell of a lot of heat to deal with. S/C runs cooler, and is belt driven. You can get a smaller pulley for it too fairly easy.

Myth!

The heat in the compresed air is from the compressing, not from the type of device doing the compressing. Under hood temps might be slightly higher with a turbo, but not that much different, and definatly won't hurt any performance aspect. Turbos also need heat to work, look up turbine theory for a more in depth explaination.

Mizly also has a s/c cam and a stage 1 and stage 2 n/a kit. I'm looking to get the stage 2 kit when the day comes to replace the motor. Both kits come with upper and lower manifolds, cam, PCM, thromo, new timing chain, complete gasket set, and some thing else I'm sure I'm leaving out.

The stage 2 kit will get you some nice power ;)

Is he back in buisness? I haven't heard anything good bout dealing with him, ever.

[Redog]

we both are clown. prove your claim of over 200whp. you cant just add up the hp of each mod and think thats what you have. :rolleyes2:

Really every time you go to the track you say you never break into the 14's, where's the post with the 14.xxx timeslip ;)

And if you are running in the 14's let me know and I'll update the fastest Alero thread ;)

[[ion] C2]

14 is still not that quick.. i can't wait to rebuild and inject meth and feel the wonders of 13-15 PSI

best bang for your buck, turbo it like the poll says

[Redog]

Jackel is right, I'm not putting down 207, I'm putting down around 201

I used this forumla from Daytona:

Calculate HP From MPH and Weight
HP = (((MPH / 234)^3) * Weight)

I pluged in my peak MPH which was 92.04 and the weight that day with driver and cargo was 3306. And for the doubters this was not a 35* day, it was actually in the low 80's on this day. It was during a points day last spring. I'm sure Daytona will vouch for that ;)

Here's the break down:

HP = (92.04 / 234)^3) x 3306
HP = (0.393333)^3) x 3306
HP = 0.06085303703 x 3306
HP = 201.1801404

[Redog]

This web site http://www.race-cars.net/calculators/et_calculator.html

I pluged in all the proper numbers in the proper places and the figures were EXACTLY the same

and on this page of the web site

http://www.race-cars.net/calculators/horsepower_calculator.html

I pluged in 3306 for weight and 14.825 which is the fastest I ran at e-town, not at Atco which is a 14.539, and guess what it said, 200.54 at the wheels and 260.71 at the flywheel.

Hmmm let's see the 14.539 at 3260 (which was the weight that day, Less gas in the tank, no cooler for drinks (only there an hour) and no other cargo, jack and spare dumped out just like in other weights listed above)

And it's a little bit higher, it said 209.65 at the wheels and 272.55 at the flywheel, so I guess the cold weather did help, a little bit :rolleyes2:

So I am putting down 200, But I guess the sciene isn't enough. O well, I have to wait to get the car into my wife's school becuase they have a Mustang Dyno there, so maybe when I get some work done, I'll have it dynoed, but then you probably won't belive there either

[[ion] C2]

no one cares about HP numbers, it's all about the track times

180HP bikes run 9s or less

[99-alero]

lol redog your cardomain says u got 240hp? u trigger happy or is that a typo

[[ion] C2]

lol nevermind

[[ion] C2]

lol redog your cardomain says u got 240hp? u trigger happy or is that a typo

240 at the crank chief

[99-alero]

ahhh my germs

[jackal2000]

formula schormula....

my car has actually been dynoed. i had 183whp and ran a 14.909. so what you are telling me is that you have less mods, 20 more whp, and only ran less than a tenth faster? GTFO.

[Redog]

^^ 14.5 is 1 tenth faster that 14.9?

Your just pissed off that I'm faster :lol:

really though I don't understand why your so pissed off or trying to prove me wrong, if I'm wrong, fine I'm wrong and I will own up to it after the car's dynoed, but until then I go by formula

[jackal2000]

^^ 14.5 is 1 tenth faster that 14.9?

Your just pissed off that I'm faster :lol:

no clown your 14.825. and yes i am pissed off that my track time doesnt accurately reflect my investment, but i am working on that. just get it dynoed so i can shut the hell up.

[Redog]

I will eventually.

I was talking to the wife today about this thread (actually about 3 hours ago). She works at an Auto trannign school and they have a Mustang Dyno there. I want to get my car on it SOOOOOOO BAD, Both of them actually, but she's afraid to ask. Plus I just got a free aligment on the Delta, so she thinks she's gotta lay low of a while.

She is going to get my hood & fenders repainted before ASS '08, so maybe I get get it on the dyno then :yahoo:

[nickbain]

jackal your totally wrong...

i have a short-ram-warm air intake and full exhaust(2.50 straight thru)(no headers)(just heat wrap insulation); lowered 1.80"all around.
id say in the cold weather about 230FHP and 170WHP and when i weighed it said 3309lb(best 1/4 time=15.45/withCAI). i raced a 2000 v6 eclipse(same mods) on route 23 in traffic and smoked his ass.(WE RACED FROM 287(OAKLAND,NJ,SKYLINE DRIVE EXIT) TO THE 46,80 EXIT on 23South, i beat him by approx 1/8th of a mile)(BTW NO COPS WERE INVOLVED)

by far the scariest thing ive ever done(108mph for 7 miles in medium to heavy traffic.

it was about 36*F outside at 30mins b4 sundown.

others ive raced - colbalt SS(4banger)2004, eclipse(v6)2000, alero(v6)2001(stock)

BTW, to all those who have a CAI, change it to a SRWAI in the winter, trust me theres no difference xcept with the SRWAI you get faster throttle response and improved low-end torque. GRREAT SUCCESS!

wanna see more, check out "Ma BeateR"
RocketJockey http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2610908




Someone really should give ya a good hard kick in the nuts. People like you give anyone who mods their car a bad name. Next time you race I hope you smash the hell outta your car without taking anyone else with you. Seriously, 108 in traffic, how many cars with carseats in them did you pass.

[jackal2000]

I will eventually.

I was talking to the wife today about this thread (actually about 3 hours ago). She works at an Auto trannign school and they have a Mustang Dyno there. I want to get my car on it SOOOOOOO BAD, Both of them actually, but she's afraid to ask. Plus I just got a free aligment on the Delta, so she thinks she's gotta lay low of a while.

She is going to get my hood & fenders repainted before ASS '08, so maybe I get get it on the dyno then :yahoo:

once my tune is unfucked i'll be getting another dyno done as well. here it costs $85 for 3 power pulls or you can rent it and do some tuning in between unlimited pulls for $125/hr.

[kwhauck]

supercharger it!!! but i'm biased.......lol

[billytheman1188]

Someone really should give ya a good hard kick in the nuts.

ahahahahaha:haha::haha::haha:

[Mr_Reed]

So....
about them Turbo chargers, Superchargers and Motor Build ups guys?

[jackal2000]

So....
about them Turbo chargers, Superchargers and Motor Build ups guys?

what about them?

[[ion] C2]

turbo it; i'm not biased lol

[Mr_Reed]

Now I just got to get a Turbo Manifold the piping and all that should be a breeze.

[01silveralero]

whine > whistle :p

[YALEROYNOT]

go to reddogs cardomain page. and he listed his mods. he has like 207hp at wheels


i said reddog had that hp. sorry to start a f'in war. 207 204 201 the dog is still faster :lol:

[Redog]

^^ It's cool.

He's pissed becuase of the money he spent, he should be rinning in the high 13's, not the high 14's to low 15's. I'd be pissed too :mad2:

[[ion] C2]

yeah why does jackal run 0.06 faster than Frostbite who has an intake and exhaust and PCM lol

[Redog]

I think Frostbite has a factory freak, either that or I really need to get to Cecil :lol:

[BlackJack]

turbo, hands down. you could probably piece together a budget turbo build for $2k. if you went N/A, that same amount of money gets you headers, heads, and a cam with a couple hundred bucks to spare, but no where near the power level. if i could do it again i would have just had the blown head gasket fixed and slapped a t3/t4 turbo on it and called it a day.

Quoted for truth

Turbo will make power a lot quicker, but it's also a hell of a lot of heat to deal with. S/C runs cooler, and is belt driven. You can get a smaller pulley for it too fairly easy.

Partially true. The S/C will make power at low end quicker. The turbo will reach PEAK boost quicker. The turbo produces more heat on the outside, the S/C produces more heat on the inside, and is harder to intercool, not to mention it's another HP-sapping drag on the rotational mass.

Mizly also has a s/c cam and a stage 1 and stage 2 n/a kit. I'm looking to get the stage 2 kit when the day comes to replace the motor. Both kits come with upper and lower manifolds, cam, PCM, thromo, new timing chain, complete gasket set, and some thing else I'm sure I'm leaving out. The stage 2 kit will get you some nice power ;)wow thats a good price $2700 for the stage 2

It's a rediculous price for what you get vs. twice the power or more on a stock engine with a turbo slapped on it.

if i remember right, blackjack tried to save as much money as he could on his set-up. He made a lot of stuff.... just PM him and he will help you out.

and did some VERY careful shopping.

Myth!
The heat in the compresed air is from the compressing, not from the type of device doing the compressing. Under hood temps might be slightly higher with a turbo, but not that much different, and definatly won't hurt any performance aspect. Turbos also need heat to work, look up turbine theory for a more in depth explaination.

Is he back in buisness? I haven't heard anything good bout dealing with him, ever.

agreed on both counts.

[Six Shooter]

whine > whistle :p

No body likes a whiner. :coolio:

[01silveralero]

No body likes a whiner. :coolio:

but when they whine they cry for their "bottle" :rolleyes2:

[BlackJack]

pshhh....don't listen to all that other B.S. :D

[mike2002]

im gonna have to agree and say that 14's are not fast and not something to go around bragging about in every forum and youtube video ive seen

14's are peppy at best, 13's are quick, i suppose low low 13's could be considered fast...

[BlackJack]

when did 14's become peppy ?

[[ion] C2]

we know, you consider 9's peppy

and your car is "just a little faster than stock" lol

[Pimpalero03]

save your money

[MADMike]

For what most people consider a grocery getter I think 14s are pretty good.

[Spilner521]

im gonna have to agree and say that 14's are not fast and not something to go around bragging about in every forum and youtube video ive seen

14's are peppy at best, 13's are quick, i suppose low low 13's could be considered fast...
I agree 100%. Around 13 flat to high 12's is decently fast.

[BlackJack]

For what most people consider a grocery getter I think 14s are pretty good.

That's ok, most people running 15 or slower usually say that.

[Daytona]

I don't consider something to be "fast" unless you have to worry about whether or not to put a bar or cage in it.

[kwhauck]

I don't consider something to be "fast" unless you have to worry about whether or not to put a bar or cage in it.

i couldn't agree more.......

[mike2002]

yeah, thats why i said could be considered fast.

my car does mid 13's and i think its quick, but i dont consider it fast. i drove a my work car (93 civic) for a few months without driving my buick and i thought the buick was fast for a couple days :P

14's stopped being quick when just about every new vehicle started doing at least 14's with the bigger engine. even minivans are getting capable of that stock now. SUV's....your sport compacts are hitting low 14's and even high high 13's stock.

i dont think 14's have been fast since the 80's

[sorrowfulkiller]

Personally if I still had my old alero I would still go turbo as opposed to n/a or supercharged... I own an 02 wrx boosting at 18.6 psi right now... had to get rid of the mustang because some serious problems came up and I really didn't want to deal with them... but anyways. you can get all the driveability from a n/a car while out of boost and it's like a whole different car while in boost, it's completely ridiculous. My car for instance out of boost probably doesn't put out much more than 130 hp but once that you hit boost it's like... la la la la la OH FUCK!!!

if you were going to be drag racing, turbo FTW if you were going to be road racing however I would personally go supercharged because I think it'd be a bit easier to manage in the turns

[Lazy-Panda]

superchargers are great too (more of a sleeper style) but u got a think about it too.. it also costs money to tune it..and one more thing the belt might need to be repaired and ya.. but personally i would go with the turbo :) XD ..i got one on my rx-7 (modded not the stock turbo) lol.. just go with the turbo :)

[Lazy-Panda]

srry redog personally 14s for me arent all that.. try lowering it more :)

[kwhauck]

superchargers are great too (more of a sleeper style) but u got a think about it too.. it also costs money to tune it..and one more thing the belt might need to be repaired and ya.. but personally i would go with the turbo :) XD ..i got one on my rx-7 (modded not the stock turbo) lol.. just go with the turbo :)

your stupidity is shown in your answer, you need to tune a proper turbo setup just as much as a supercharger setup, and a belt isn't a big deal just measure and order.........

you sir are an idiot........

[BlackJack]

your stupidity is shown in your answer, you need to tune a proper turbo setup just as much as a supercharger setup, and a belt isn't a big deal just measure and order.........

you sir are an idiot........

easy, killer...... :D

[Lazy-Panda]

umm... actually superchargers cost more to tune than turbos and i know that u do need to tune turbos but it costs cheaper than the s/c.. but what do i know .. im the one running low 12s with my rx-7.. rotary ftw. :) XD and more mods on that thing coming but ya.. for my alero currently just a little appearance change .. :)

[nickbain]

why does an s/c cost more to tune?

[Lazy-Panda]

well in terms of getting it running, it's the same costs, barring the equip. One more reason it may cost is some people may not have experience with tuning a s/c meaning you may have to go to an experienced tuner. Also, you cant turn down the boost if you have a problem because if you want to turn the boost up you have to change the pulley size... meaning more labour. For s/c you NEED to get everything in one shot because if you dont have enough fuel, your engine goes lean and boom.. lol.. turbo ftw :)

[[ion] C2]

wait until you research things a bit more before commenting on them :)

[BlackJack]

umm... actually superchargers cost more to tune than turbos and i know that u do need to tune turbos but it costs cheaper than the s/c.. but what do i know .. im the one running low 12s with my rx-7.. rotary ftw. :) XD and more mods on that thing coming but ya.. for my alero currently just a little appearance change .. :)

I retract my former statement. Kyle, your weapons control status is now "weapons free".

[mike2002]

yeah, no shit...what are you talking about panda? if anything superchargers are quiet a bit easier to tune.

supercharger isn't really more of a sleeper thing. you can hear a turbo, you can hear a supercharger. when im racing, the other person either knows i have a supercharger or knows nothing about cars...very distinctive loud whine.

[Lazy-Panda]

no shit..i dont know what are you talking about superchargers being easier to tune, but its ok we all have our certain beliefs, i respect that but i have mine. So at the end it all works out. I am just saying that this guy should turbo it nothing else...i got more experience with turbos than s/c, but its all good its up to the guy to decide..and for me personally i dont care what car it is as long as its got boost, personally its all about the boost :)