weld or panel bond?

[Gr1m]

well i put my poppers in now and i have to decide wether or not i want to weld the doors or panel bond them, please leave your input of each if you have any experiences with either.

[pimpalero2003]

what are you talking about?
the exterior handles

[pimpalero2003]

ok well om going to quess your talking about welding out side. take exteriordoor handle off i beive it a 10mm nut. get cardboard make templete make it maybe a tenth of an inch bigger or more cut out on sheet metal and bend and test fit. then get ll paint off around the handle. make sure your car exterior is warm! and tac on the piece spray with warm water then do small welds spraying them so it doesnt warp. once welded use filler and feather everything out smooth. i used a wire feed and the ground was a problem had someone hold the ground on the plate from inside the car.

[pimpalero2003]

also youll need to grind down the welds before you use filler

[sound_xtreme]

ive heard plenty of people panel bonding them. i welded.

[bdyman]

let me just claer one thing up real fast, this is not for a "novice" using a welder or even using panle bond just doesnt get taught over night or online for the matter
using a mig welder there is always always a chance of the metal warping i have been in my trade for over 15yrs and i still have slight warping in the metal, the only shot ya got would be to use a tig welder but ya a huge amount of experience to tig weld
again welding is not something you ppick up on over night or online there is allot behind welding, its not just pick up the gun and poof!! adjusting the machine adjusting the gas using the correct size wire, allot of factors not again to mention EXPERIENCE!!!!
i have used panel bond in the past and on my own car but you will see a outline of the handle, mine started to come back after only a short time of them being done, why??? becasue i rushed the process and did not take my time to properly prep the donor metal

the correct way like i re did mine would be to cut the handle opening out and making a new piece of metal to weld in there is nothing wrong with panel bond shit bmw and mercedes use nothing but the product on the back of there cars it is great stuff but only when it is used when you have expericne with the product
not to mention the cost a tube of 3m is 30 bucks and ya have to buy the applicator gun which is over 70 bucks if ya have a welder my miller cost me 800 plus the tank plus extra wire plus extra tips, but in my professional opinion weld new metal in

[natedawg9640]

let me just claer one thing up real fast, this is not for a "novice" using a welder or even using panle bond just doesnt get taught over night or online for the matter

no offense but i HATE replies like that... he asked what's better... not for a cocky sort of "let the pro's do it". every time someone asks about painting there's another member who lectures that they are stupid for trying it and they are pretty much gauranteed to F it up... man i hate that.

[AftermathAlero]

i used a wire feed and the ground was a problem had someone hold the ground on the plate from inside the car.

WTF.. I just tacked on a nail or bolt to the middle of the sheet metal outside, hahaha then clamped the ground on it.

[jayson_waltz]

no offense but i HATE replies like that... he asked what's better... not for a cocky sort of "let the pro's do it". every time someone asks about painting there's another member who lectures that they are stupid for trying it and they are pretty much gauranteed to F it up... man i hate that.

he's known for it, why do you think he's had so many different names lately?

if your sure its gonna be permanent, i'd go welding. just donb't keep the tip in one spot for too long or you might warp the metal. if you don't want it to be as permanent, panel bond.

[pimpalero2003]

didnt think of that richie but that would of been better but it still worked...
but a question how did u become a pro bdyman? did a wizard come down and apoint you a pro? no someone showed you and you had to do it yourself...

[YALEROYNOT]

weld and get a hammer and dolly to help with the warp. tig if you can mig will work fine if not just as good. I don't like the "pro" line eather my theory is that even a "pro" was a novice at one time you have to start some where. and why not on your own car. the best way to learn is make mistakes and just plain f*#k it up !!!!

[pimpalero2003]

also no way am im saying im a better welder none of my shit is even till grinding but there strong and hold. (nd no popcorn) but vin u can do it get some scrap metal and pratice and keep praticing youll get the hang of it just do little Vs when welding

[clutch1]

Heh, I wish I could shave the handles on my Park Ave, but I can't weld, I wouldn't trust ony of my friends welding the body metal on my car, there's no way I'd pay for it, and I just repainted it 8 months ago which was a pain in the ass and I don't want to do it again for a good while, lol. Makes a for few issues eh? :P

Goood luck!

[Gr1m]

my friends body shop will be doing it, but i was just wondering what i would be better off with, im not going to attempt to weld or panel bond anything.

[pimpalero2003]

ahh welds would prolly be cheaper

[Gr1m]

yes i know welding would be cheaper but the question i was asking is, is one of them better then the other in the long run or not

[cherrington17]

i have used panel bond in the past and on my own car but you will see a outline of the handle, mine started to come back after only a short time of them being done

I think that answers your question...

i also saw somewhere in the thread that welding is stronger/more permanent.... so if its stronger and cheaper...

[Gr1m]

he also said that he rushed the panel bonding and thus you could see the outlines lol whatever i think im just gonna have them panel bond it

[FrankTheTank]

I think paying more to have them panel bond them is stupid. i know plenty of people that had them welded, myself included, with no outlines or warping.

[SittinOnChrome]

no offense but i HATE replies like that... he asked what's better... not for a chickeny sort of "let the pro's do it". every time someone asks about painting there's another member who lectures that they are stupid for trying it and they are pretty much gauranteed to F it up... man i hate that.

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[racin4JC]

I would say weld it! Welding (as long as it is done right and not rushed) will not risk cracking later. And don't weld and use hot water like someone was saying your warpage will be way worse not to mention change the properties of your metal, also when mig welding (body stuff) use a wire that is less than a .035 wire or else the body metal will tend to want to burn more than the actual wire itself. Just take your time and use superior products; after welded clean up good with a flap wheel not grinding too much of your metal away and then first use a fiberglass based filler and then work your way up to a glazing filler.

[pimpalero2003]

thats was the way i was taught warm water

[racin4JC]

Better to just work your way side to side on a panel welding maybe like and inch on each and then just walk away for 5 minutes and naturally. Water might work if it was extremely warm water but it would be like putting cold water in a boiling hot pan you could easily warp!

[pimpalero2003]

yeah my buddies said do that just for the fact if it gets to hot it will warp

[bdyman]

well you never cleared up that a shop is doing the work,panel bond when applied correctly is like welding, the cost is going to be the same no difference,

and i replied as a professional and gave my yrs of advice, so sorry if i typed it incorrectly for ya i dont give the "normal" answers i give the correct answers

[pimpalero2003]

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