Best Supercharger?

[volfenhag_alero]

I would like to know what is the best supercharger for the 3.4L. I've got all of the modifications needed to run a supercharger with a decent amount of boost. I was looking at the RSM Racing Supercharger Kit, but all I've heard is negative feedback on that system.

[[ion] C2]

none are good that are available for the 3400, do a turbo

[rustyballs_69]

C2;308721']none are good that are available for the 3400, do a turbo

I bet kwhauck would disagree with that.

[[ion] C2]

i knew someone would say such a thing, however realize i wrote "that are AVAILABLE"

his supercharger was one of very few made, and none that i know of are still readily available

[rustyballs_69]

Very true, no one makes shit for the 3400. kwhauck got lucky to get one from the factory. I have looked everywhere for one and haven't had any luck. I think there were only like 16 3400's made with the supercharger. Im sure GM employees own the rest of them.

[cherrington17]

i'm sure with some fabrication, something could be lifted out of another engine. but the problem is how much work are you willing to do to get it to fit....

anything can fit anything. its just the (fab time+money)/(willpower + determination) equation you gotta figure out.

[rustyballs_69]

i'm sure with some fabrication, something could be lifted out of another engine. but the problem is how much work are you willing to do to get it to fit....

anything can fit anything. its just the (fab time+money)/(willpower + determination) equation you gotta figure out.

Fitting it in isn't the problem, The sell superchagers for the 3.4l that came in the S-10s. Its all the tuning that is the hard part or the costly part.

[Spilner521]

Fitting it in isn't the problem, The sell superchagers for the 3.4l that came in the S-10s. Its all the tuning that is the hard part or the costly part.
Nah, tuning is easy depending on what kind of fuel mods you pick, especially with a supercharger when there will always be the same amount of boost/airflow at a given RPM.

[volfenhag_alero]

I got new heads, valves, pushrods, supercharger ready cam shaft(stage 2), Stage 3 Upper Intake Manifold, Stage 3 Lower Intake manifold, S&S Headers, New PCM Tuned for a Supercharger and Nitrous, Spark Plug Wires and Platinum 2 Spark Plugs. The RSM Supercharger is just about right for my set up and I'm pretty sure I will be able to run about 13-15lbs. of boost.

[rustyballs_69]

Nah, tuning is easy depending on what kind of fuel mods you pick, especially with a supercharger when there will always be the same amount of boost/airflow at a given RPM.

Im sure it is easy for someone who has done it before.

[[ion] C2]

I got new heads, valves, pushrods, supercharger ready cam shaft(stage 2), Stage 3 Upper Intake Manifold, Stage 3 Lower Intake manifold, S&S Headers, New PCM Tuned for a Supercharger and Nitrous, Spark Plug Wires and Platinum 2 Spark Plugs. The RSM Supercharger is just about right for my set up and I'm pretty sure I will be able to run about 13-15lbs. of boost.

and you forgot forged pistons and rods? good luck with 15 PSI

[volfenhag_alero]

I already upgraded my pistons and rods and my fuel system.

[[ion] C2]

sounds like you're all set, why supercharge for the enormous price RSM offers, plus negative reviews, when you can do a turbo setup for far cheaper? talk to BJ!

[jabartram]

you would be better off turbo'd, you have endless possibilities. with a s/c you are limited.

[YALEROYNOT]

links for a turbo kit for the 3400 ?

[Spilner521]

Im sure it is easy for someone who has done it before.
It's easy if you understand how the whole system works and how your fuel system is setup, which honestly you should understand fully if you're going to build and/or tune your own kit.

[Spilner521]

you would be better off turbo'd, you have endless possibilities. with a s/c you are limited.
I agree.

[rustyballs_69]

It's easy if you understand how the whole system works and how your fuel system is setup, which honestly you should understand fully if you're going to build and/or tune your own kit.

If I ever get to that point with my car Im sure I would learn to do it. No point in paying someone when you can do it yourself.

[jabartram]

If I ever get to that point with my car Im sure I would learn to do it. No point in paying someone when you can do it yourself.

i tune constantly at this point, i make small changes drive for a couple days to let trims settle, and tune again, so that when i get my turbo kit, i'll be mentally prepared for what i need to do.

its amazing what tuning can do for power, each car is different, i was still in VE-Tune stage when my friends Mazda 6 couldnt leave me, now i'm working on maf-tune, then timing so on and so on.

[alerored04]

I want pics of this build. And who sells "stages" for intake manis?

[blueolds01]

Fitting it in isn't the problem, The sell superchagers for the 3.4l that came in the S-10s. Its all the tuning that is the hard part or the costly part.

when did the s10/sonoma get a supercharger? i can only recall a turbo.

[alerored04]

plus the s10 came with the 3.4 not a 3400. I have seen eatons bolted to a modified uim but it requires a large hole in the hood.

[blueolds01]

some one needs a lesson in s-10's!

only engines ever offered in the s10-2.5l (iron duke),2.2 ,2.8, 3.4 ,and 4.3.
there were others, but the were worthless for the most part.
the only s10/sonoma ever offered with and kind of forced induction came on the syclone and typhoon and it was a turbo charged 4.3. stock no other s10 had forced induction.

[rustyballs_69]

I never said that there was an S 10 that came from the factory with a supercharger. I have seen them with superchargers so I kinda figured, oh I don't know, that you could buy one maybe.

[rustyballs_69]

plus the s10 came with the 3.4 not a 3400. I have seen eatons bolted to a modified uim but it requires a large hole in the hood.

I never said that the s 10 came with the 3400.

[Cliff8928]

some one needs a lesson in s-10's!

only engines ever offered in the s10-2.5l (iron duke),2.2 ,2.8, 3.4 ,and 4.3.
there were others, but the were worthless for the most part.
the only s10/sonoma ever offered with and kind of forced induction came on the syclone and typhoon and it was a turbo charged 4.3. stock no other s10 had forced induction.

Ok, so the 3.4 is a retrofit engine for older 2.8s, it NEVER came stock.

This is the list of engines.

4-cylinder
1.9 (isuzu)
2.0 (Chevy)
2.2 Diesel (Isuzu)
2.2 (chevy)
2.2 "2200" (chevy)
2.5 (Pontiac)

6-cylinder (All Chevy)
2.8 Carb, then TBI
4.3 TBI
4.3 CFI (original Vortec)
4.3 Turbo
4.3 CSFI (96+ Vortec)

[blueolds01]

your right, the 3.4 was the one that didnt sound right to me. whoops.

and rustyballs, you made it sound like you ment from the factory, sorry.

[rustyballs_69]

your right, the 3.4 was the one that didnt sound right to me. whoops.

and rustyballs, you made it sound like you ment from the factory, sorry.

No biggy man, I should have made it more clear.

[01silveralero]

you would be better off turbo'd, you have endless possibilities. with a s/c you are limited.

how do u figure?

[volfenhag_alero]

Where might I find a Turbo Kit with a T3/T4 Turbocharger?

[alerored04]

you build one. Only option.

[01silveralero]

Where might I find a Turbo Kit with a T3/T4 Turbocharger?

http://www.turbochargedpower.com/99-04%20Grand%20Am.htm

although they say they r redesigning it

[kwhauck]

well if you want to do the work, you do a custom whipple like me!!!! the eatons really do limit the power output because you can't spin them that high, with the whipple i should see around 20psi, maybe more.......

[volfenhag_alero]

I emailed HP about that turbo kit for the Grand Am and now all I can do is wait. I'm still hoping to push at least 12lbs. of boost through the motor.

[jabartram]

how do u figure?

when you build a turbo system, if done right, you can install a larger turbo for more boost, smaller turbo's normally spool up quicker for low end power, larger turbo's spool up later for more mid/top end power. and you can even modify to the point of twin turbo.

[Gr1m]

And who sells "stages" for intake manis?
i believe milzy has stages for most of the parts on a 3400.

[alerored04]

oh. I always hated the term "stage" what the hell does that tell me about a part?

[volfenhag_alero]

Stage means the modification extent to the factory part: Stock-Stage 1-Stage 2-Stage 3 and so on.

[alerored04]

i know what it means. I am saying that it sounds gay rather than say what is done to the part. Ex. mild porting, valve job, stiffer valve springs. "Stage 2" tells me none of that. Hence my assesment of it's stupidity.

[01silveralero]

when you build a turbo system, if done right, you can install a larger turbo for more boost, smaller turbo's normally spool up quicker for low end power, larger turbo's spool up later for more mid/top end power. and you can even modify to the point of twin turbo.

im not dumb. there was no need for explanation :p

[01silveralero]

I emailed HP about that turbo kit for the Grand Am and now all I can do is wait. I'm still hoping to push at least 12lbs. of boost through the motor.

12 is enough to start with.... until u want more then u then u will be :yahoo:

[Spilner521]

i know what it means. I am saying that it sounds gay rather than say what is done to the part. Ex. mild porting, valve job, stiffer valve springs. "Stage 2" tells me none of that. Hence my assesment of it's stupidity.
I agree. I'd much rather know what the part does, or what's modified on the part that makes it different/better than stock instead of something like "This is a stage 2 cam, so it's better".

[alerored04]

/\ thank you.

[jabartram]

im not dumb. there was no need for explanation :p

then why did you say how do you figure?

[01silveralero]

was trying to be sarcastic and not at the same time