RWD Conversion

[CiscoPath]

Saw it on the 60 Degree V6. Guess it's a place out of Britain. Anybody EVER heard of this?

http://www.killerbv6.com/conversions.html

[CiscoPath]

Scratch this thread. Think I got the engines confused AGAIN

[mrmike]

The engine is right, but it is only converting the engine to RWD. If I was going to do a RWD conversion on my Alero I wouldn't be putting the v6 back in.

[jackal2000]

yea thats the right engine, here's pics for proof

http://www.killerbv6.com/pictures.html

[CiscoPath]

It was just weird to me that I've never seen this posted up here before as much as the new guys bring ideas to the board. If anybody could benefit from something like this, it's probably BJ with the problems he's having with his front end.

[Redog]

IDK, it's a lot of fab work to do that.

The early 90's V6 camaros used the same motor that's in the Alero.

The most expensive part is the custom rear end, plus since the car is unibody, you can't put too much power down

[number1alero]

anyway its more feasible to use an s-10 frame and just use the shell of the alero

[jackal2000]

The early 90's V6 camaros used the same motor that's in the Alero.

no. that engine is 60* v6 yes but there are a few things different. most noticeably they had iron heads where as ours are aluminum. different pistons etc

[NjRef511]

If I did a rwd conversion, i'd go for a nice northstar. Forget the 3400

[number1alero]

kinda off topic, but if you want a killer project, buy a supra n/a and do a 3uz swap (v8 out of the tundra)

[Headstrong2740]

It was just weird to me that I've never seen this posted up here before as much as the new guys bring ideas to the board. If anybody could benefit from something like this, it's probably BJ with the problems he's having with his front end.


I have actually been thinking about this type of project for about four months now with prolly a twin turboed v8 but lots of fabrication and money. Hadnt really thought about talking about it on here since i figured not to many people would know or be interested in it.

[number1alero]

actually im gonna start serious research on doing the 3uz swap into a sc300, talk about a hella beast that would be the ULTIMATE sleeper (killer low end torque to compensate for the high end, highpower twin turbos) so that way i have hella power through the entire RPM band

[Headstrong2740]

IDK, it's a lot of fab work to do that.

The early 90's V6 camaros used the same motor that's in the Alero.

The most expensive part is the custom rear end, plus since the car is unibody, you can't put too much power down



This was also a big problem i was facing...and had thought about using the S-10 frame as well...but dunno how well it would work..plus the suspension and everythign would all have to be custom and tested till i found what i felt worked well.

[mrmike]

actually im gonna start serious research on doing the 3uz swap into a sc300, talk about a hella beast that would be the ULTIMATE sleeper (killer low end torque to compensate for the high end, highpower twin turbos) so that way i have hella power through the entire RPM band

What happened to the supra?

Anyways the suspension on an s-10 framed alero would be super easy to do because the mini-truck world has produced s-10 parts in infinite shapes and sizes. It would be awsome to hear the lumpy idle of a 600hp carbed V8 coming from my Alero :)

[number1alero]

^with the horsepower i was wanting to achieve, i realized that the car would be a drag strip specific type car and wouldnt be fun to drive around on the weekend. doing the 3uz swap into a supra/sc300, it allows you to still go turbos, but the engine is a torque beast and will give you power through the entire powerband, not just when the turbos get spooled

[Redog]

600 HP, yeah you'll need a frame or rip the car in half lol

[mrmike]

but didn't you already have the car and were buying parts for it? Its seems a little odd that you would drop a project over something like that instead of changing the build to meet your needs. You hadn't built the engine yet so why not just keep the power down and transfer the saved money into suspension mods?

[mrmike]

600 HP, yeah you'll need a frame or rip the car in half lol
I wonder what it would look like. Would the rear axle come shooting out the front of the car or would it lift up the nose and actually rip in half? Maybe someone should find out.

[number1alero]

the deals fell through and i never got the car...so thats whats allowed me to research more into different options

[mrmike]

Have you heard of the project R14? Full Race took a 240sx and did a full R-32 skyline GT-R swap on it. suspension, RB26DETT swap, drivetrain (awd). Just buy an old 240 with a blown motor, send it to them and they'll send you a supercar ready to kick anyones ass.

[number1alero]

^i dont have 40-60 grand to lay down...the 2uz swap and all the customization is believed to be about the same price as the 3.4L stroker kit, granted its sourcing parts from various racing teams and what not, but its hella cheaper than that.... but id be interested in looking at what they do exactly with the 240sx

[mrmike]

http://www.full-race.com/r14/ I don't think it would be too expensive, depends on how fast you want to go. I would love to have an s14/s15, those things have such beautiful bodies with clean lines.

[number1alero]

hmm 4 grand for a front clip, 4-6 grand for the clip swap, 2-3 grand for the electronics, hmm perhaps it can be done for about 20-25 grand with everything correctly installed

[mrmike]

I should send them my Alero and maybe they won't notice that its not a 240. RB26DETT awd alero time attack monster = sleeper

[number1alero]

^unfortunately im sure they would be like wtf is this imposter doing here in our shop, get that unibody junk outta here!

[mrmike]

The owner would probably just give it to his mom for grocery runs :(

[number1alero]

^nah, he would donate it to a 16 yr old to rice up, just a damn shame i didnt have a camera today, saw a car that had neon lights on it, and the neon lights probably cost more than what the car was worth, and they were the old gas tubes too

[mrmike]

riced Aleros are worse than any other riced car I think.

[number1alero]

i couldnt agree more, ive seen about 5 or 6 aleros around here with body kits and what not, but you know darn well they are bone stock on the engine cause they wasted too much money on the kit and stickers

[mrmike]

It's kinda silly for a kid to spend money on the engine though, if its just a kid he's going to go for a visual mod instead of expensive engine stuff that no one can see.

[number1alero]

^but if the kid was smart hed realize that how fast the car is, is more important than the looks, and if looks are important, they come after the speed of the car, after all isnt it all about how fast your car is compared to mine? and ill bet i get more women in a 10second sleeper that whips everyone in the street racing scene/drag racing scene at the track than a car that looks like a 10 second car but is actually a 16 second car

[mrmike]

Speed isn't important where I'm from, its like a million miles to the nearest offical racetrack/dragstrip, but I can understand what you're saying.

[BlackJack]

It would be awsome to hear the lumpy idle of a 600hp carbed V8 coming from my Alero :)

or, why not the sound of a cammed 600hp injected 3400?

For anyone else that's toying with the idea, Smith Performance Specialties has the Grand Am (same car) RWD conversion kit if you really wanna throw a V8 under it.....prefabbed stuff to put it together would make it alot easier, but I dont see why you'd bother other than for the novelty.

ZZP has already shown you can pull down 9's (soon to be 8's) with a GM FWD V6 for alot less money than a V8 conversion will cost unless you custom fab everything yourself, then it's a time vs. money issue.

[mrmike]

Well I guess it doesn't really matter, only a handful of people would put that much work into making an Alero go fast, so what engine they choose is their business. I just like the sound of old muscle vs. new high rev injected stuff. If I wanted to go fast, I could buy a 300zx twin turbo for less than I paid for my Alero, so I would just trade in and trade up. Btw Blackjack thanks for always sticking up for the V6, it gets a bad rap sometimes but you've shown that it isn't as helpless as most people thought :)

[number1alero]

frankly as i research more and more, i more and more consider buying something like a chevelle or something 66-70 muscle as a true project car, nothing beats the low rumble of those cars and some of the amazing horsepower those cars have

[BlackJack]

Btw Blackjack thanks for always sticking up for the V6, it gets a bad rap sometimes but you've shown that it isn't as helpless as most people thought :)

Thanks. Some of the guys with newer S/C Mustangs and the GTO's are finding that out the hard way :D

oh yeah, here's the link for that company I mentioned...forgot to include it. And a few pics from their photo gallery. Keep in mind, this is NOT an Alero shell on a different frame. It's a front and rear bolt-in subframe assembly. From the looks of it, a good $5,000 for the subframes, suspension setup, and then after that, you provide the drivetrain. I can build a sub-11 second Alero FWD 3400 for that price.

http://www.smithperformance.com/catalogue_ga_sub.html

http://www.smithperformance.com/images/Wally.JPG
http://www.smithperformance.com/images/Bertozzi.jpg

[mrmike]

Hey Blackjack is there any benefit to converting a FWD to RWD for racing? I guess if you were going all out on a drag car like that you would be replacing the whole drivetrain/ tubbing the back so maybe it wouldn't be any more difficult. I can only imagine the horror of replacing everything under the car and paying someone with a lift to do it.

[number1alero]

the only benefit i can see is the car being RWD instead of FWD, which im sure you know the benefits of RWD over FWD

[BlackJack]

it's a tradeoff. you have weaker drive components in a FWD (axles and whatnot) but those can be beefed. Another problem is torque steer. With one axle shorter than the other, it tends to want to pull to the short side, since the long side has more flex.

Other than that, a FWD should get more traction since the weight of the drive train is over the drive wheels, as opposed to the RWD having little weight on it.

Base idea is, I want to see how much I can push out of a FWD, and try and prove that it's just as effective if not more so than a RWD.

[number1alero]

^isnt the big thing also have to do with physics in that a FWD counteracts the forward momentum somewhat because of having to pull the rear end along instead of having the rear end push the front end ahead?

[Cliff8928]

IDK, it's a lot of fab work to do that.

The early 90's V6 camaros used the same motor that's in the Alero.

The most expensive part is the custom rear end, plus since the car is unibody, you can't put too much power down

You do know that ALL camaros and firebirds are unibodies. And they put plenty of power down.

[Coldfire]

/\ That's what I was thinking, at worst you'd have to beef up a few areas of the car

[BlackJack]

Once you get to a certain HP level, you should be using a cage anyway, so use that to tie into the base points in the body for added strength.

[-Alero-]

LS1 is more worth it.

[MixtapeMessiah]

Like I said many times before, with enough money anything is possible, Ive thought about makin the alero a drift king but ehh lol, I know u fuckers are just gonna diss on my ideas.

[BlackJack]

no way man.....I think you SHOULD make your Alero into a "drift king". But I think you should do it as an Alero, and not as an Alero-Am.

[MixtapeMessiah]

I was planning on doing it as a custom set-up not an "alero-am". I think it would be a sweet set up and I plan on doing it since no one seems to believe ive been drifting in my alero lol, even as a FWD.

[adam337]

...all we need is a guy Drifting in an alero..

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

fish-tailing is NOT drifting. Power sliding is not drifting. Drifting is a RWD/AWD thing.

[BlackJack]

tell you what. I'm the kind of guy that will on occasion believe it if I see it (but not always). Even the "visual" can be deceiving.

You could opt to let everyone think what they want, and you can continue to be ridiculed for it, and then finally admit "ok, you caught me, I'm a liar"

or, on the other hand, you could put up a video that is very obviously YOU drifting in YOUR ALERO, and I for one will stop giving you shit about it.

None of that low quality camera phone bullshit either. Everyone knows someone with a decent vidcam, and if not, you're a very lonely little man.

[MixtapeMessiah]

lol just put it in reverse and drift that way, soon as I have money Ill do it, Ive been thinkin bout it lately, but also Ive been thinkin bout buying a new car anyways so I dunno

[mrmike]

These guys took the easy route...I think that it was a rental :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mFnubQG-UY

[MixtapeMessiah]

haha ^