Milzy Motorsports

[jackal2000]

hooray for me! im going to be ordering the stage 2 setup next week. i'll you guys posted when i get it all installed. should be looking at low 14's or maybe maybe maybe break 13.999999999. all motor baby!

[Redog]

I'm about to be de-throned, but of course you cannot claim fastest NA Alero, due to a few assholes on this site.

But yes 13.99 or faster is a possiblly with that set-up and you will be the Fastest known NA alero

[projectalero]

Can somebody post a link to milzy motorsports stage 2 kit? i havent heard of it before.

[strtrydr]

milzymotorsports.com ... look under Engine Performance ---> 3400

Jackal ... Let me know how it works out for you as I was looking at the same setup but probably going to tweak it with some input from BlackJack

[14alero]

He has awesome stuff I plan on going to him to get some stuff

[jackal2000]

www.milzymotorsports.com (http://www.milzymotorsports.com)

the only reason im splurging on this project is because the car is burning oil. might as well upgrade while its torn apart...

[BlackJack]

somebody needs to start handing out towels since everyone is creaming all over theirselves for some reason.

Jackal, I'm excited for you getting some HP under that hood. Please let us know how it works out :)

[jackal2000]

will do.

btw, and for the record...blackjack is my hero with that project of his.

[BlackJack]

oh yeah, and don't forget, billet 62mm TB's on a group buy for $225

[strtrydr]

Not to Jack the thread but...

Blackjack...thought the group buy was for 65mm ones not the 62mm could of swore I read that in the Bazaar post you started?

[BlackJack]

might be, I'm brain fried from reading PT scans.

[jackal2000]

i dont need a new TB, mine is already match ported to the UIM, which is also ported. :)

[burg03]

Congrats jackal2000, or should I say BIG DOG. You will be living my dreams! Please post pics!!!!!!!!

[jackal2000]

ya i plan on taking pics of all of the parts as i get em.

[jackal2000]

ut oh, might not be getting all those parts from milzy afterall. found something local that is just as good.

www.bandtmotorsports.com (http://www.bandtmotorsports.com)

i'll prolly still get the rods and tranny mount from milzy but that might be it. i talked to the guy today and he isnt sure about the cam regrind so again, might have to shell out the cash for milzy's stage 2.

other shiiite im getting...
headers - s&s or supposedly pacesetter makes 3400 ones now
pistons - ross

[burg03]

whoa I gotta see it in action

[jackal2000]

they wanted to do research on the motor and stuff and get its specs. he is supposed to call me when he has stuff on paper.....

[kwhauck]

just call crane or comp, tell em what you want and they will do regrinds.....

[burg03]

regrinds are nice

[BlackJack]

hooray for me! im going to be ordering the stage 2 setup next week. i'll you guys posted when i get it all installed. should be looking at low 14's or maybe maybe maybe break 13.999999999. all motor baby!

er....just a thought....if you're wanting to break 13.9, you might want to look into getting that tranny built and get some drag slicks, or else you'll more likely be breaking your drivetrain. Some of the biggest names in N-body drag racing can't break under high 13's because of traction and transmission issues. But, if you hit the 13's, I'll be happy for ya :scpimp:

[jackal2000]

i thought about the tranny and i think it will be fine for now. if i decide to spray, then ya of course.

[burg03]

Let me know how it feels

[jackal2000]

i just started ordering all my parts. so far i ordered the crank pulley and tranny mount from rsm...lots more to come!

[jackal2000]

finally my laptop worked, fawk me what a pain. my ISP blows!! i just ordered da stage 2 heads and cam and pushrods. i think i am going to have mike order the pistons for me from ross since he knows all about the dimensions and what not...

[jackal2000]

im scoring a set TOG headers from a guy on GAGT.com, brand new in the box.

sweet!

[jackal2000]

im scoring a set TOG headers from a guy on GAGT.com, brand new in the box.

sweet!
got the TOG's in today.....still waiting on milzy for the rest of my goods though

[rowdygls]

not to burst your bubble John, but my TOGs where brand new in box and were a 1/4" off. still the same, I like my headers, just ran into some headaches with them.

[jackal2000]

ok thanks for the heads up, im sure the place i am getting them installed at can fab something up if they dont bolt right on.

[burg03]

can u say custom headers

[jackal2000]

YES!!! got the cam right here, the rest is at the post office cause it was prolly too heavy to deliver lol

im hoping to get all this installed next week, but i am waiting a few other things now.....


i had no idea pushrods were sooo small!!! lol

[01GrandAm]

The install is the best part, make sure to take alot of pics because after all the work you will want to show them off.

It sucks that MMS stage 2 heads heads cost $1,200 and yet still are outflowed by Stock 3500 heads till 0.450" lift.

[jackal2000]

here's a couple pics of the heads

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6217/cai015xj6.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/5341/cai016sn7.jpg

[BlackJack]

i had no idea pushrods were sooo small!!! lol

Looking good bro, now remember, the pushrods are two different lengths, the short ones are intake, the long ones are exhaust. You definitely dont wanna get them mixed up with that much money at stake :)

When you get a chance, lets see a shot of the port work ! I bet they'll make some really good power.

[01GrandAm]

When installing everything, I recommend installing the plugs and attaching the headers onto the heads before installing the heads onto the engine. Also you might want to consider using locking header bolts such as Stage 8 or Breslin and applying copper rtv to all of the exhaust gaskets.

Will you be welding the down pipe yourself or taking it to a shop? I welded mine and then found out about 3 months later that the stock cat was clogged from what appeared to be the coating from the TOG headers, so I had to remove it and do it all over again.

Like BlackJack said, when you get a chance try to get some close up pics of the porting work.

[jackal2000]

im not doing any part of this install. i have neither the tools, place to work or the time to do it. i will however, take all the suggestions i get to the shop when i drop it off.

about the pics of the porting, i tried last night and they came out crappy. i gotta play with the camera settings.

[01GrandAm]

You might also want to pick up a set of Phenolic spacers
http://60degreev6.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=51

I would also consider a larger TB there is only so much that a stock port matched TB can do.

http://60degreev6.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=24

[BlackJack]

I just did my head transplant, and it went together nice and easy heads first then headers, then sparkplugs, might be different for your headers however. The phenolic spacers are definitely a plus though....intake temps will drop quite a bit.

[jturkey69]

The install is the best part, make sure to take alot of pics because after all the work you will want to show them off.

It sucks that MMS stage 2 heads heads cost $1,200 and yet still are outflowed by Stock 3500 heads till 0.450" lift.
3500 heads will bolt on with out any issue?, or do you need the 3500 top end as well?

looking good john...ken will have some competition next year at ASS

[jackal2000]

ken wont have any competition. all this work puts me above his league LOL


i have the spacers already sitting here too :thumb:

im gonna pass on the larger throttle body for now.

[burg03]

are you putting it on the dyno?

[jackal2000]

are you putting it on the dyno?

yes, after the install they are going to dyno tune it.

[01GrandAm]

I just did my head transplant, and it went together nice and easy heads first then headers, then sparkplugs, might be different for your headers however. The phenolic spacers are definitely a plus though....intake temps will drop quite a bit.

Yeah your turbo headers are alot different of a design than the TOG's. Not saying that there is a right or wrong way to install them, just installing the headers on to the heads before hand made it easier for me because I used Breslin locking bolts and had everything torqued to spec before bolting the heads down. (Saved me from leaning over the engine bay and fumbling around to tighten everything on the rear bank, as I didn't remove the engine from the car to do the install)


3500 heads will bolt on with out any issue?, or do you need the 3500 top end as well?

looking good john...ken will have some competition next year at ASS

Yes, the non VVT 3500 heads bolt to the 3400 block, however you must use the 3500 LIM as it has a lightly different angle than the 3400 LIM. You can either use the 3500 Plenum with a TB adapter plate from the 60*V6 store or you can use the 3400 plenum either will work.

I personally like the 3500 heads, as I feel they flow better than the MMS stage 2 heads. Most expierenced engine builders and head porters will tell you that low lift #'s are more important than higher lift flow #'s. I have read numerous articles and information on the subject and most of them all come back to the importance of flow at lower lifts.

Stock 3500 Heads Vs MMS Stage 2 Heads: (intake data)

.200" lift: Stock 3500 heads outflow the MMS Stage 2 heads by 21%
.300" lift: Stock 3500 heads outflow the MMS Stage 2 heads by 15%
.400" lift: Stock 3500 heads outflow the MMS Stage 2 heads by 3%
.450" lift: MMS Stage 2 heads outflow the Stock 3500 heads by 3%
.500" lift: MMS Stage 2 heads outflow the Stock 3500 heads by 9%
.550" lift: MMS Stage 2 heads outflow the Stock 3500 heads by 11%

I rest my case.

[jackal2000]

arent TOG headers too small for 3500 heads??

[01GrandAm]

arent TOG headers too small for 3500 heads??

No, they fit up to the ports and work very well.

[jturkey69]

i am looking at finding a set of 3500 heads, and lim, and using my 3400 upper since i have 2 and just polished one up. i also have an extra set of 3400 heads that i plan on pocket porting and selling to fund the 3500 heads

[jackal2000]

well, the motor is completely torn down to the block. cylinder one is totally fucked up. they didnt find the piston ring :ohmy: im not that surprised though lol

mech said the bearings all need replaced and they are going to hone the block. i didnt expect them to start working on it til monday so this is awesome that they got to it. he said it was a good thing that i bought those new heads cause there is a bunch of build up and the valve seals are messed up too. im going to the shop this afternoon to take some pics. i'll start a new thread when i get those....

[jturkey69]

wow...how did it get that bad??..alot of miles? cool that your getting it re-built though

[jackal2000]

ya i put about 25k miles on it AFTER it started burning oil. it has been over a year since it started burning...

[burg03]

I gotta see it. I may come over to check it out

[jackal2000]

I gotta see it. I may come over to check it out
when is the next test and tune at MIR? my car should be done by the middle of next week and i will be working days which frees up my nights....

[burg03]

How about oct 6. Pay day for me:yahoo:

[burg03]

I think it will be mid night madness.You get to run all night!!
for 20 bucks

[jackal2000]

count me in player. be there or be square. LOL

[BlackJack]

hey man, just a thought, but while they have it torn down for cylinder hone, why not get the block line-bored on the cam/crank journals? Just makes it that much faster.

[jackal2000]

hey man, just a thought, but while they have it torn down for cylinder hone, why not get the block line-bored on the cam/crank journals? Just makes it that much faster.
i have no idea what that means but i will bring it up to them as if i know all about it lol

thanks for the input.

[BlackJack]

ok, basic idea is they take a "drill" so to speak, and run it longways through the block with the main caps bolted on, and also run it through the cam journals. This ensures that all your bearing surfaces are perfectly aligned reducing drag on rotational mass. You'll be capable of running a little higher RPM's without as much vibration also.

[jackal2000]

im definitely calling them tomorrow about this. you da man BJ!

[jackal2000]

i just talked to em and they said i would need new, bigger pistons to do that. oh well.

[burg03]

13.9, I cant wait to see this

[jackal2000]

13.9, I cant wait to see this

LOL you and me both brotha. i havent yet figured out what act of violence i will commit if i dont break into the 13s....lol

[DOHC_tuner]

wow, nice to see the 3400 performance options available even though i dont have the 3400, but good to see its feasible