3.8l V6 In An Alero?

[MixtapeMessiah]

Cuz I really think it would work with just enough room left over to supercharge too, so if anyone knows bout this let me know cuz im really thinkin about doin it

-Ryen

[jabartram]

anything is possible, if you have the time and money.

[alerocar01]

i think it would work but i don't think it is worth the money tho.

[MixtapeMessiah]

lol yeah it always has to do with a ass load of money. might as well buy a new car while im at it cuz my olds is fuuuuucked up..Im gonna need a whole new engine before too long..

[Cliff8928]

Why would you ever want a 3800? They're phasing it out for a reason. You'd be better off supercharging your existing engine..

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

^ or getting a newer engine that's built to handle boost. Like the NEW 3.4L engine...

[ddba12]

This might sound stupid but would the GTP 3.8L stock supercharger work for the 3.4L alero?

[AGT]

Some grand am put the grand prix supercharged version in his car. Nice setup.

[eag182]

engine swap is not the answer for power gain. boost is

[Redog]

It can be done, but the $$$ will be too much

If you decide to do it, you'll need the motor, tranny, and wiring hardness.

Somebody put that motor in a Cavy, another guy into a Grand Am so fitting into an Alero isn't a problem

[natedawg9640]

how bout boring the cylinders on the v6? anyone done it and if so how big can you go safely?

[kwhauck]

Originally posted by natedawg9640@Mar 21 2006, 11:55 AM
how bout boring the cylinders on the v6? anyone done it and if so how big can you go safely?
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pretty big......... :heehee:

[Cliff8928]

Or you could figure out how to adapt the new 3900 block to the car...

[1WhiteOSV]

Originally posted by ddba12@Mar 21 2006, 02:48 PM
This might sound stupid but would the GTP 3.8L stock supercharger work for the 3.4L alero?
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absolutely NOT..........COMPLETELY different setup, there is NO WAY (as in it's IMPOSSIBLE..yea I said it)....to put the 3800 supercharger on our motor...

the 3800 is a waste of time........my modded 3400 smoked TONS of modded 3800's and quite a few SC 3800's (GTP, Regal, Riviera).......it's a big bulky motor

if you supercharge the 3400 plus mods..you can run in the mid-high 13's..hell Redog and I (before I totaled my car) are running mid 14's all motor n/a

[BlackJack]

*sigh* here we go again.

You smoked tons of something. It's not just a big bulky motor, it's also a heavier car (GP) in general. However, placed in a lighter platform, you would have an advantage. The 3800 is NOT a waste of time. Dont believe me? ZZP and Stattama have SEVERAL street driven GP's running 10's, on STOCK bottom ends. But I'm sure those are probably some of the ones that you've taken out already.

Bottom line, do what your wallet can afford. You want it bad enough, go for it. 3800 is a better platform to start off with. But if you want to do it with minimum hassle, then just go buy a GTP for a base.

[Cliff8928]

The 3800 while robust is not a very well designed engine from the standpoint of being a proper V6. A 90° angle on a V6 does not promote a smooth running engine. It's also an odd-fire engine and needs the balance shaft and the MASSIVE harmonic balancer to smooth out the inherent vibrations of the engine design. The 60° design is a MUCH better design because of an even 120° of crank angle between firings and it's even fire with a 1-2-3-4-5-6 firing order. Not to mention, the new 3900V6 makes the same horsepower as the L67 with no need for a supercharger. The 3800 is also being phased out and is now only available in 3 models and only 1 with the SC.

[MixtapeMessiah]

Im thinkin bout just supercharging the 2.4 cuz turbo lag is a biatch, but the superchargers I seen are pretty lame only 80 hp increase, Im tryin to reach the 400 hp mark here

[SweetNLow]

lol......... ya you sound like you know what your talkin about tryin to reach 400hp

[acold7dusta]

^^^lol^^^^^^^^

[Orion]

Thereis a guy from my area that put a 3.6 in his alero. He took out his 2.4 automatic and put in the 3.6. Whats your thoughts on that?

[BlackJack]

might I ask what the 3.6 is from?

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

might I ask what the 3.6 is from? 2004 Cadillac CTS

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400 (crank) hp is easy, but not cheap on the 2.4L engine:

150 stock motor
+15 intake and full exhaust
+80 S/C
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245 total so far
+150 shot of nitrous
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395 hp


don't forget there's a bunch of tiny other mods that seemingly don't do much unless you have all of them at once, like pullies, flywheels, stroker kits, etc. I would suggest getting internals before running even the S/C though. the 2.4L may be a strong engine, but it's designed for stock aggression, not boost.

[BlackJack]

heh, I wouldn't bother. A properly built 3400 can eat one of those for less money.

[MixtapeMessiah]

NOS is for suckers, its bitch shit if u ask me, What type of horsepower we talkin about with the 3.4 rather than the 2.4, cuz im lookin for tire burning raw power either from all motor or boost.

[BlackJack]

well, I dont know pal. I can tell you that spyhunter is running 12.99 in his 4cyl grand am. depends on if you want to spend massive money, or reasonable money. You're going to spend way more getting a 4cyl to put out the same power as the v6. yeah it weighs a few pounds more, but you're talking 1,000 cc's more displacement though. Less than $2,000 on top of a v6 and you can kill more than just mildly built V8's.

Whatever....
NOS is for suckers, its bitch shit if u ask me, What type of horsepower we talkin about with the 3.4 rather than the 2.4, cuz im lookin for tire burning raw power either from all motor or boost.
I dont have NOS yet, but I'm going to be running it with my turbo, so I guess I'm a "sucker bitch", and thanks for the compliment.

NOS is a power adder, just like a turbo is, and just like a SuperCharger is. They all do the same thing, add more oxygen for a higher powered combustion stroke. The only difference is one is chemical, the others are mechanical. The result is exactly the same effect in the combustion chamber.

In the words of that movie "The New Guy".....who's da biatch now????

[02_Silver_Ho]

The 3800 while robust is not a very well designed engine from the standpoint of being a proper V6. A 90° angle on a V6 does not promote a smooth running engine. It's also an odd-fire engine and needs the balance shaft and the MASSIVE harmonic balancer to smooth out the inherent vibrations of the engine design. The 60° design is a MUCH better design because of an even 120° of crank angle between firings and it's even fire with a 1-2-3-4-5-6 firing order. Not to mention, the new 3900V6 makes the same horsepower as the L67 with no need for a supercharger. The 3800 is also being phased out and is now only available in 3 models and only 1 with the SC.

I'm sorry, but what the hell does a different angle have to do with a better/worse engine? I have no idea how that would make a difference..

[BlackJack]

basically speaking, the narrower the angle, the less "out of balance" the rotation, this is why it's easier for an inline engine to rev higher than a V.

[MixtapeMessiah]

NOS is just an easy way to gain power, you can put a 500 shot on a crap civic and it will hoop anyones ass, like i said NOS is for suckers

[SweetNLow]

whats with all the wiggers around here lately?

[viciousmalibu]

first off, i agree with blackjack, as far as nbodies go, 3400 is the best engine by far, anything else would consume every free dollar you would have. everything would have to be custom. and as far as nos being for suckers, if your car gets smoked by any ride out there that is pretty stock and has nos... Doesn't that make you the sucker? my 2 cents
(and btw, if anyone tried to put a 500 shot of nos in a crap civic, it wouldn't make it down the track...)

[BlackJack]

NOS is just an easy way to gain power, you can put a 500 shot on a crap civic and it will hoop anyones ass, like i said NOS is for suckers

hey, you're entitled to your opinion. Just keep hanging out on Montrose Blvd, and you'll learn alot from your peers. Good luck.

[Pimpalero03]

the 3.9 sucks. my mom has it in her gtp g6 and it doenst feel like a supercharged 3.8 must be cuz it has lot less torque

[MixtapeMessiah]

it was just a thought so if everyone is gonna judge me on it get a life, I know that with money u can do anything to the ho as u please, drop a 350 in it if u want go all out. 3800 engine is a good platform to start with, Ive seen supercharged regals run 11's and in an alero could be even faster. Just thinkin rationally

[alero_ecotec]

you won't get anything discouraging from me man, the 3800 is a good engine, it was always one of the top 10 engines every year, infact I had one in my Buick and it never let me down, I say if you've got the ambition then go for it.

[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

how's this for an idea: everyone quit talking smack. :P

you want to swap an engine, just fucking do it already. don't tell us how you want to do it and ask for opinions on it before you even shopped around.

[MixtapeMessiah]

I already shopped around for all new engines from ecotecs to 3800 s/c, just asking if anyone ever did that before geez, its suppost to be a forum and be able to ask and obtain questions

[Alero2k4]

Lol to run any real shot of nos takes some real tuning...I love it when people dog on nos. Do some research and find out what I mean. Anyone can throw on a 100 shot...but find out what it takes to do it reliably. It takes just as many 'skills' to set up and use a nos system proper as it does to use a turbo/supercharger. IMHO you are the same type of person who says 'there is no replacement for discplacement' and 'only cars with v8's can be fast'. We all know that neither one of those is true and neither is that statement that nos is for suckers.

[BlackJack]

hahaha....SweetNLow....you should have never shown me that trick !!!

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[AlbinoMonkeyRat]

haha...looks like my idea is working. mwahaha!!

[RFIRE15]

yea i know.. thread is a month old, but I dont get to view these boards often.

The L67 is a great engine that seems to last forever. It has tons of potential with the stock supercharger. That guy that says he smokes GTP's and such must have been getting lucky. Sig says he runs 14.7 i presume with his mods while a GTP does just that competely stock.

Mine on the otherhand has headers, intake and a pulley (not really that much money) and can run mid-high 13's all day weighing in at well over 3700 pounds. Best run 13.422, with stock tires as well. What time would that be if that same setup was in an alero?

The person that made the thread ask a pretty simple question...
Grand Prixs come with either a 3.4, 3.8 or 3.8SC and the alreo has a 3.4. Doesnt seem like it would be entirely too difficult to swap the motors, espically with how cheap you can get a L67 and tranny off of clubgp. So he was wondering if anyone has done this before. How will things bolt up, tranny should be simple... different harness? Shouldnt be too hard but I know the motor mounts and different, but maybe both mounts can be put on the motors.

respones shouldnt be... zomg its a complete waste of time.

[RFIRE15]

heh, turns out its been done a few times... Grand ams are basiclly the same as alero...

check out l67swap.com