Super Charger

[cavaliers60]

I"m wanting to get a supercharger for my Alero.... Every pic I see has it on the right, but from what I understand is that it requires a belt to turn the fan.... however, there are no belts on the right side of my engine.... I can't figure this out. lol so someone with more knowledge about this please help me..... I"m lost... oh and I do have a 3400 V6.

[jabartram]

its run by a shaft that extends from the back of the s/c to the front of the motor whete it is belt driven.
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See the shaft above the header tube.

[eag182]

have you looked at a turbo?

[cavaliers60]

I have looked at a few.... I think one was from an add on this site.... It'll be a little bit before I get one... I'm not exactly made of money. :lol: but I do want one..... I just wanted to be sure how to install it and stuff before investing....

[cavaliers60]

another question.... how's the performance once it's installed??? Like, how much bigger of a thrust do you get? I'm pretty sure it's a heck of a lot more.. :lol:

[eag182]

BOOST....literally and figuratively

[-Alero-]

Originally posted by cavaliers60@Feb 2 2006, 12:19 AM
another question.... how's the performance once it's installed??? Like, how much bigger of a thrust do you get? I'm pretty sure it's a heck of a lot more.. :lol:
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its so awsome its like......as soon as yoru done, you slam on the gas, and roll 4 feet and your transmission exploads. thats how cool they are.

[cavaliers60]

Originally posted by -Alero-+Feb 2 2006, 03:33 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(-Alero- @ Feb 2 2006, 03:33 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-cavaliers60@Feb 2 2006, 12:19 AM
another question.... how's the performance once it's installed???Â;-) Like, how much bigger of a thrust do you get?Â;-) I'm pretty sure it's a heck of a lot more.. :lol:
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its so awsome its like......as soon as yoru done, you slam on the gas, and roll 4 feet and your transmission exploads. thats how cool they are.
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Maybe I shouldn't put one in then... :lol: Can't afford a new transmition... :P

[Fast Eddie]

Originally posted by cavaliers60
Super Charger, How do you install one???Quoted post

If you have to ask, don't do it.

[doubleN0alero]

Originally posted by Fast Eddie+Feb 2 2006, 11:29 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fast Eddie @ Feb 2 2006, 11:29 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-cavaliers60
Super Charger, How do you install one???Quoted post

If you have to ask, don't do it.
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LOL!!! I concur...take it to somebody that does know what they're doing from the get go...

[Pimpalero03]

a supercharger is gonna be harder on your trans cuz its instant power and in instant jolt. where a turbo spools up so its gradually gives the trans power, not right when you hit the gas.

[eag182]

Originally posted by Fast Eddie+Feb 2 2006, 10:29 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fast Eddie @ Feb 2 2006, 10:29 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-cavaliers60
Super Charger, How do you install one???Quoted post

If you have to ask, don't do it.
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LOL I do NOT concur.

Supercharging your car is a great learning experience, so long as you have done the proper research and have someone car handy helping you.

[Fast Eddie]

and the money to fix it when you hole a piston, break a snout, etc, etc cuz the only guidance you have is from the internet. Its a total PITA to try and explain/ learn something in this type of a media. There is also a lot more to FI than just bolting a blower on there, turning up the new AFPR and driving around.

As for the turbo V. S/C both are going to brake the tranny. The problem (at least in my mind) is that the clutches and what not are going to prematurely wear and start slipping.A properly sized turbo is going to be in boost, just like a S/C, when this shifting occurs b/c the tranny is trying to stay in the engine's power band. Both will wear the clutch packs prematurely and cause failure in the tranny.

[SilverBullet256]

well of course they will, but a supercharger will hit it harder lets say you are standing still and someone runs into you from behind, then understand you are running and then then run into you from behind, its a harder hit if you're standing still, same principle, the turbo will still kill the tranny but not as fast as an s/c

[Pimpalero03]

the imput shaft loves to shatter from hard torque hitting out of no where, like a supercharged car. u get a shift kit, and put it on mild, and have ur computer tuned, ur stock tranny will last longer

[BlackJack]

you can operate a 3400/4t45 that's been maintained decently and doesn't have rediculous mileage safely at ~5-8psi. As long as you have the discipline not to crank your boost controller up, you'll be able to make it last. Once you go over 8psi, you need to know a bit more about what you're doing. If you wanna boost it, then do it. Just make sure you research the effects of different levels of boost on every aspect of the powertrain.

[-Alero-]

Originally posted by BlackJack@Feb 2 2006, 11:57 PM
you can operate a 3400/4t45 that's been maintained decently and doesn't have rediculous mileage safely at ~5-8psi. As long as you have the discipline not to crank your boost controller up, you'll be able to make it last. Once you go over 8psi, you need to know a bit more about what you're doing. If you wanna boost it, then do it. Just make sure you research the effects of different levels of boost on every aspect of the powertrain.
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[eag182]

Originally posted by BlackJack@Feb 2 2006, 11:57 PM
you can operate a 3400/4t45 that's been maintained decently and doesn't have rediculous mileage safely at ~5-8psi. As long as you have the discipline not to crank your boost controller up, you'll be able to make it last. Once you go over 8psi, you need to know a bit more about what you're doing. If you wanna boost it, then do it. Just make sure you research the effects of different levels of boost on every aspect of the powertrain.
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[cavaliers60]

thanks guys! I've learned a lot just from this... I'm not sure if I want to put that much into my car and then have to replace a bunch of other stuff.... So I'm not sure.... but thanks!!!

[natedawg9640]

bah... boost it... you can find cheap trannys on ebay to replace it in the event that you break it... but it's not gonna break right away... especially if you don't beat the hell out of it.

[cavaliers60]

Well, would ordinary driving through town tear it up any???? If so, how much? I"m really not going to go all out hardcore driving. lol Can't do that in this town... Mostly it's for looks, but also the performance end...

[BlackJack]

Originally posted by natedawg9640@Feb 3 2006, 09:58 AM
bah... boost it... you can find cheap trannys on ebay to replace it in the event that you break it... but it's not gonna break right away... especially if you don't beat the hell out of it.
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if by "cheap trannies" you mean $500 purchase plus ~$200 shipping on something with unverifiable mileage that will likely break again very shortly afterwards, then yup, it's cheap :)

spend a little on your engine, and spend a little on the tranny. A decent buildup on the tranny will save you alot of money in the long run.

If by "ordinary driving" you mean never hammering the pedal, and always shifting ~3000 max, then yes, it will last you considerably longer. However, if you drive like I do, and every stoplight is a staging light, then no, it wont last you long.

[natedawg9640]

lol... "I live my life 500 feet at a time...for that whole city block I'm free... unless the next set of lights is green... then i'm free for another 500 feet too... in which case i say bonus" ... lol... if you can build the tranny build it...

[BlackJack]

you know what I love about the Alero?

Original purchase price.........$10,500
Turbo kit from DPP................$2,500
coming soon tranny build.......$2,500

Making a $60,000 car look stupid.....PRICELESS

[natedawg9640]

2500$ for a turbo kit? for 2500 it's not gonna make a 60,000$ car look stupid... because that figure obviously doesn't cover forged internals, fuel management, or a turbo build that will compare to a 60,000$ car... i'm all for building fast aleros but 2500$ aint gonna do it.

[scArLERO]

Originally posted by BlackJack@Feb 3 2006, 06:13 PM
you know what I love about the Alero?

Original purchase price.........$10,500
Turbo kit from DPP................$2,500
coming soon tranny build.......$2,500

Making a $60,000 car look stupid.....PRICELESS
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:lol2: :rotflmao:

really, eh! well, I was wondering what $60,000 car you would be making look stupid!!

my'04 STi is waay < $60,000 and I very much doubt you would be makin' it look "stupid"

the stupid thing would be the look on your face when you get your ass handed to you... at the track of course!! :thumb:

[SilverBullet256]

lets see, wtiha properly staged turbo, and some other slight mods you can have some impressive numbers, number that could kick the poop out of some porsches and a few other high end cars, maybe 60,000 is a little too much but you can still kick the poop out of some well known sports cars, you can probably give a base c-6 corvette a good run for its money, they have 400 stokc but i believe thats not to the wheels, but i may be wrong

[scArLERO]

Originally posted by SilverBullet256@Feb 3 2006, 08:08 PM
lets see, wtiha properly staged turbo, and some other slight mods you can have some impressive numbers, number that could kick the poop out of some porsches and a few other high end cars, maybe 60,000 is a little too much but you can still kick the poop out of some well known sports cars, you can probably give a base c-6 corvette a good run for its money, they have 400 stokc but i believe thats not to the wheels, but i may be wrong
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aahhhh...NO! I don't think so :rolleyes: I would hardly give a C6 a "GOOD run for it's money" in my STi, even in the twistys, the C6 is still a monster!! Have you ever been in a C6 for a "drive"? if you really think a Turbo'ed Alero + mods would actually give a C6 a run for it's money, you're :nuts:

[BlackJack]

somebody needs to do some more homework before getting out there and flapping their gums about people being :nuts:

I did forget to mention the other work I already have in the engine, my bad, which puts me at about $1k more.

If you want to talk about making a $60k car look stupid, then lets look at the ZZP/Stattama Gran Prix that handed a blown/intercooled viper it's @$$ with a run of 9.73@144+MPH.

http://portfolio.iu.edu/jdsorens/Matt_Runs_9.7.wmv

keep in mind, the only thing holding me back is ordering ZZP's tranny and it's game on, cuz the 'Lero is lighter than their GP, which will equalize it some (but not completely) since they're running a 3800, most of the parts in which are stock. I have alot of work to do as far as putting mine into NHRA safety compliance, but I expect to be putting down some record times for Aleros.

In conclusion, yes, I think I will be able to make a $60k car look stupid, and an STI as well, for alot less money. There's alot more going on behind the scenes in the 3400 industry than what you're aware of currently. Stay tuned for the upcoming race season, it's going to get really interesting.

[tejohnson]

Originally posted by scArLERO@Feb 3 2006, 08:37 PM
my'04 STi is waay < $60,000 and I very much doubt you would be makin' it look "stupid"


Bring your STi on down into the US this year.... I'll be your huckleberry ;)

[scArLERO]

impressive run by the grand prix... but it's not an alero/grand am, and from the looks of that car I think it costs a little more than

"you know what I love about the Alero?

Original purchase price.........$10,500
Turbo kit from DPP................$2,500
coming soon tranny build.......$2,500

Making a $60,000 car look stupid.....PRICELESS"

in what my first post was refering to...

that's a full blown race car with extensive work and is probably lighter than your alero, idk but I'd guess it is...

anyways, good luck with that build...

have a nice day!
:peace:

[scArLERO]

Originally posted by tejohnson+Feb 4 2006, 01:11 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tejohnson @ Feb 4 2006, 01:11 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-scArLERO@Feb 3 2006, 08:37 PM
my'04 STi is waay < $60,000 and I very much doubt you would be makin' it look "stupid"


Bring your STi on down into the US this year.... I'll be your huckleberry ;)
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would love to!... are you paying my costs to come :biggrin:
if not what gain is it to me :P , come on up if you're issuing challenges :biggrin:
we don't have many, but there are a couple tracks here outside of Toronto.

oh, and IF you win you could tell ppl you beat an STi :o

If I win I get to say I told you so!! :P
have a nice day!
:peace:
(I didn't mean to insult anyone with my previous comments " :nuts: /nuts" I apolgize if I did)

[SilverBullet256]

is your 300 hp and torque to the wheels or crank, cause if its to the crank, then im sure mr johnson here has more power than you do, and the sti isnt that much lighter than the alero, you need to think about the difference between wheel power and crank power

ok and i just did some research and here is what i found
olds alero 4-door 3077lbs curb wieght
pontiac grand am SE 4 door 3116 lbs 341 hp 400 lbs of torque
Sti curb weight 3351 lbs 300 hp 300lbs of torque
or Z-06 3179 lbs 400 hp 400lbs of torque


this numbers are all based on crank hp and torque, so lets see, todds car is lighter and has more power than yours, so im sure he could beat you or give you a very good run for the money, and as for the vette, it could still beat him, but it it would only be by 1 sec or less, it would be a very close race

[scArLERO]

Originally posted by SilverBullet256@Feb 4 2006, 05:24 PM
is your 300 hp and torque to the wheels or crank, cause if its to the crank, then im sure mr johnson here has more power than you do, and the sti isnt that much lighter than the alero, you need to think about the difference between wheel power and crank power

ok and i just did some research and here is what i found
olds alero 4-door 3077lbs curb wieght
pontiac grand am SE 4 door 3116 lbs 341 hp 400 lbs of torque
Sti curb weight 3351 lbs 300 hp 300lbs of torque
or Z-06 3179 lbs 400 hp 400lbs of torque


this numbers are all based on crank hp and torque, so lets see, todds car is lighter and has more power than yours, so im sure he could beat you or give you a very good run for the money, and as for the vette, it could still beat him, but it it would only be by 1 sec or less, it would be a very close race
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if he hooks up it would be a very close race... cause I know the STi will hook and go thanks to AWD+DCCD(Driver Controlled Centre Differential)...

but like I said I'm sure it cost more than...
"you know what I love about the Alero?

Original purchase price.........$10,500
Turbo kit from DPP................$2,500
coming soon tranny build.......$2,500

Making a $60,000 car look stupid.....PRICELESS"

have a nice day!
:)

[natedawg9640]

sorry but i highly doubt an alero will beat a c6... i've raced one in a modded twin turbo 3000 GT (which is not a slow car)... and we stayed even with the c6 to about 40 mph even with the 3000's AWD... then the vette walked away like nothing... not a z06... not modded... just plain. the mid range of the corvettes will have the ho's crying. and about your origional numbers (2500$) turbo kit... there is no turbo kit available or custom built that will give you enough "tuning" to do what you claim. by the time you get done building an alero that actually will do what you seem to think it will, you will have A LOT into it. i'm quite comfortable using :nuts: to describe your numbers.

[alerored04]

this is quite an interesting paper race. im gonna have to keep my eye on this one. :eek:

[BlackJack]

well nate, looks like you're still stuck in the old days when you couldn't do much with a 3400. That I can totally understand, since alot of the members here have been around on Aleromod from the time that a set of headers was a major performance upgrade :)

There was a point when I first came to Aleromod, and was uneducated about limitations just like you are currently. Listening to what everybody claimed couldn't be done, though they've never tried it themselves.

But as far as being :nuts: yes, I am, and that's why you'll be content with thinking 300hp is the limit for the Alero, and I am successfully pushing mine well beyond.

[BlackJack]

oh yeah, and P.S.: That's why I took several months off from Aleromod, to get away from all the "you can't" syndrome and do the research to find out what "I can".

[-Alero-]

why are people so incredibly cocky about thier cars? its like an ego thing..

the only thing i say about my car is, its not slow and its certainly not fast.

[natedawg9640]

never once did i mention that the limit to the alero is 300 HP... for 2500$ the limit is well below that... but if you have the cash you can go well above... my argument is that on your listed budget, you car will not be what you say... you my friend need the education

[BlackJack]

yeah yeah, I know....the world is flat and I'm going to fall off, and Mr Wright will never get that thing off the ground, blah blah blah.

Sit back and relax. I'll come in under budget, and you'll wonder wtf. Sound like a deal?

By the way, if you'll keep up with the topic, I DID post that I originally hadnt mentioned the other $1k I had tied up in other components. So that puts me up to a professed $3500, and yes, I'll throw down well above 300hp for that figure.

[SilverBullet256]

hell todd got to 289 wheel hp, without spending that much, or close to it, and im sure he wasnt pushing it as hard as he could, and i said it could keep up with a c-6,i said the c-6 would beat it by like a second or two, and i guess no one will ever know how well a souped up alero could do untill someon trys and we find out, all i tried doing was saying a properly modded alero would deserve alot more respect than its getting

[natedawg9640]

If you have been taking some time off this site to learn stuff then i'm sure you have already planned and priced your internals, your setup, your fuel delivery, and your cooling system... i'm sure you would have the prices reddily available so i'm sure that you wouldn't mind posting what your parts cost and where you will be getting them. your 1k on internals is skimping as pistons will be about 700$ alone

Oh and i never said a souped up alero couldn't keep up with a c6... i merely point out that it's gonna take a lot more money

[BlackJack]

I've been doing the research with the assistance of those that have already heavily modded their stuff, and we've made some determinations on alot of things that are unneccessary expenditures. Soon as I throw down some timeslips, I'll post what I've done. Till then, keep your shorts on, and I'm more than certain you'll be surprised.

[natedawg9640]

well supprise me. I'd love to see it i honeslty would... i just doubt it will happen... what are you not including? like... what don't you think you need that would be cutting down on cost that dramatically?

[SilverBullet256]

dude calm down, this isnt that big of a deal, no one knows everytthing for sure so just calm down,

[natedawg9640]

oh believe me i'm not freakin out... i'm just contesting his info. just feeding my curiosity...

[Fast Eddie]

Originally posted by BlackJack+Feb 5 2006, 08:43 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BlackJack @ Feb 5 2006, 08:43 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Sit back and relax. I'll come in under budget, and you'll wonder wtf. Sound like a deal?

By the way, if you'll keep up with the topic, I DID post that I originally hadnt mentioned the other $1k I had tied up in other components. So that puts me up to a professed $3500, and yes, I'll throw down well above 300hp for that figure.
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Famous last words.....

So 12 second alero for $15, err, err $16 grand huh, not the first time it's been claimed. We'll see......


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hell todd got to 289 wheel hp, without spending that much, or close to it, and im sure he wasnt pushing it as hard as he could, and i said it could keep up with a c-6,i said the c-6 would beat it by like a second or two, and i guess no one will ever know how well a souped up alero could do untill someon trys and we find out, all i tried doing was saying a properly modded alero would deserve alot more respect than its getting
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umm, 2 seconds in a 12-13 second race is kinda a big deal.

[SilverBullet256]

well yeah i know, but idk, i think if todd can get what he did for the amount of money he spent, then i think that anyone can gett the amount of power in question for a smaller amount than most people think

[natedawg9640]

power has price... the higher the price... the higher the power... the higher the price the higher the longevity too

[cavaliers60]

PLEASE!!!! STOP THE ARGUING!!!! lol but thanks for all the information... I"m learning a lot...... pricing, performance stuff I need to get, and never to post a blog like this again for fear of starting pointless internet arguments. :emotlol:

so thanks all!

[slowandlow]

i am going to buy a seccond car with come stock with at least 260hp or 300hp in a 4 banger or a v6 for the seccond one. but at 30-35k price

[mike2002]

lol =....beating a c6 :Noooo:

is there such a thing as a 12 second alero????

if you want supercharged power, get a l67 powered car. ive got a pos ssei that can roast the tires up to 35, i dont think its fast, and its junky - but its fun

[Alero2k4]

Lol, my dad has an ssei, they are pretty bad, and fun as hell that's for sure...

[eag182]

LOL @ alero taking an STI

LOL @ alero taking a corvette


like comparing janet reno to.....jessica simpson

[BlackJack]

Originally posted by eag182@Feb 13 2006, 07:05 PM
like comparing janet reno to.....jessica simpson
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You're right, that's foolish. Jessica is no match for Janet Reno. Jessica can barely think her way out of bed.

[natedawg9640]

GOOD!... KEEP HER THERE!

[vodkaslut85]

wow, I just read this entire thread, and I must say, there is way too much bullshiating about corvettes and STI's ...concentrate on the REALISTIC possibilities of the 3400 SFI engine, I remember a year and a half ago I thought I could s/c my alero and be king of the road, well over 4g's later and no time slips in my pocket due to blown tranny's and bad planning my alero is back to plain stock and I've moved onto a new automotive obsession, my s4. I agree, it's very possible to make a VERY VERY fast v6 alero, but it takes allot of money, planning and time.

[natedawg9640]

which only backs up my argument

[scArLERO]

exactly what I was stating from post 1...

you dont have to be a rocket scientist to know this...
if it was so EASY and CHEAP to do, it would have been done!...

but yet, ppl have done there homework around here so you cant tell them different... :Noooo:

Have a Nice Day! :biggrin:

[Fast Eddie]

Originally posted by cavaliers60+Feb 9 2006, 09:18 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cavaliers60 @ Feb 9 2006, 09:18 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>PLEASE!!!! STOP THE ARGUING!!!! lol but thanks for all the information... I"m learning a lot...... pricing, performance stuff I need to get, and never to post a blog like this again for fear of starting pointless internet arguments. :emotlol:

so thanks all!
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Then post the blog when you have 1. the time slips and 2. the receipts.

Thanks, have a nice day.

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i am going to buy a seccond car with come stock with at least 260hp or 300hp in a 4 banger or a v6 for the seccond one. but at 30-35k price
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Go with the G35 :beerchug: